“i hate her. whenever i see her i just want to punch her in her stupid face and kick her in her stupid arms.”
—a friend of the champ’s, beginning an unprompted (and by “unprompted” i mean we were literally discussing lettuce a mere 5 seconds before) three minute stream of consciousness diatribe denouncing the “evil beyonce represents” while in line at au bon pain two months ago.
the intense white hatred many women have towards beyonce has always been quite amusing to me. seen as a technicolor, yaki-rockin, imbecilic, antichrist texan puppeteer, the venom and vitriol the presence of bey produces knows no limits and has no bounds…and we love it.
we know that the typical man doesn’t understand the level of animus many women hold towards the thundergoat. for the vast majority of us, beyonce is nothing but a wildly popular singer/entertainer who happens to be married to the best greatest rapper of all-time
***btw, this statement is coming from someone who was such a nas and wu stan during the late 90′s that a fourth of his wardrode consisted of fatigues and wu-wear. point being: if i can finally admit that jigga’s the best ever, you can too. please don’t argue it anymore. you’re wasting our time***
sure, she seems a little boring and a bit vapid, but the typical man already feels that most women are a little boring and a bit vapid anyway, so its really no big deal. its expected and sh*t
these two factors regale us so because, combined, they represent the reason why we appreciate beyonce so. she’s our proof, our evidence, our validation, our most concrete confirmation…
…that women are nuts
you see, the hatred many women feel for beyonce is an actual literal manifestation of the eons-long battle between the idea of “chick logic” and “actually being right“…a perfect metaphor for every guy who’s ever been so frustrated with a woman that he was tempted to shoot a bucket of baby pandas eating bite-sized baby panda snacks.
admittedly, there are myriad reasons (from dislike of her music to general indifference) to not give two sh*ts about bey, but its seems as if the typical beyhater goes past that to the point that they’re more unnerved by the idea of beyonce than the thundergoat herself, and this makes our (read: “men’s”) hearts sing and sh*t.
when we witness many women, in their blind and unsubstantiated fury, using everything from nepotism and birth certificates to talentlessness and america’s infatuation with light-skinned points to discount bey’s success, (conveniently forgetting the fact that each of these “facts” can be laughably refuted, and how eerily similar their claims sound to the ones usually levied against obama) we sigh and nod silently while fist-pumping to ourselves.
sometimes the logic matrix of a woman runs so deep that you begin to question the reality you know is true, but hearing a woman rail about b brings us back to earth, and reminds us that luvvie water is still wet, tony romo is still autistic, and many women are still nucking futs
so, from the vsb’s and every other man inhabiting the planet, thank you beyonce. we love and appreciate you. keep doing what you do. our sanity depends on it
—the champ
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oh snap! my first job was at Au Bon Pain!
@shatani,
How dare you read the story 1 minute sooner than me, Shatani. That’s just rude.
@RedBeanzNRice,
sorry sugardumpling! you know how i do!
@shatani,
lol – I do now.
Boooooo. Just booooooo.
@RedBeanzNRice,
thank you
@The Champ,
Are you insinuating that I’m helping to support your questionable theory?
@RedBeanzNRice,
good question
@The Champ,
“good question”
So what are you saying: It’s not worthy of one of your intriguing responses?
That’s it!
E-crush stats =
74% e-crush
26% open hand slap in da mouf
What can I say? I love “In Living Color”, lol
LOOL, I love Beyonce, she do be trippin, but her antics on stage are why I can forget she has no personality in interviews.
Besides, if it weren’t for Bey, how else would we know that a diva is a female version of a hustla? of a hustla?
@overit,
well, i actually have YOU to thank because i had no idea that a diva was a female version of a hustla!
@overit,
that song made me throw up in my mouth a little the first time I heard it, and I usually can appreciate a Bey radio travesty for like at least 10 seconds, oh well, can’t win them all.
@Relax, Relate, Alise, she is so extra in that song, and because my cousin HATES that song, I spent the whole weekend answering her with:
You aint no divaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
She now hates me lol.
@overit,
whats the name of this song? i feel i should own it…
@shatani, I think its “I’m a Diva”. I can only imagine how the video will be lol.
@overit,
i cant find that song on the limewire… *sad*
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
“booooooo sit down” to this whole comment!!!
@Gem of the Ocean,
boo you gemmie, lol, naw it just ain’t my particular taste, like I really did have a visceral reaction of anguish to that song, but I have the same reaction to most radio music. and that song just jumped out of nowhere and attacked my lifespace.
lol @ “boo you gemmie”
you know i luuuuuuuuh you, lisey poo!!
@Gem of the Ocean,
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
“…attacked my lifespace.”
*DEAD*
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
“that song just jumped out of nowhere and attacked my lifespace”
Fukkin dead!!!
@overit, LMAO I dont really like the song because like ring the alarm she cant put the extra hood stank on it that it needs to carry it off..you know that type of joint needs a few “ninjas” and curse words to pull it off….its like listening to a Jeezy album you bought at walmart..but after a few drinks I sure was at the club…..bouncing to it..hey a diva is a female version of a hustla of a of a hustlaaa….
@overit,
Well a girl learns somethin new erryday! Thanks B!!!
@YGB,
welcome and shit (i think)
@The Champ,
Thanx and shit!
@YGB, welcome! *gold stars*
What can anyone really say about Beyonce, she’s amazing, she’s sexy the end. In other news, I hope y’all ready for the drive down 70 to Baltimore next week.
Won’t have it any other way.
@Dorian G.,
Nobody enjoys coming to B-more. Maryland is the a$$ of the United States and Baltimore is it’s aye-nus.
@PBG,
Yer gonna stop that nonsense right now, P. Specially after what B-more did to my Skins. Tragic! We sposed to be unifried up in this thang….
@Lil’T,
thank the Lawd above that B-more wrecked shop on y’all… gives my Eagles the slimmest of chances for a wildcard slot
@blackberry molasses, My hope for a playoff spot lives on! Add Dallas’ loss in the mix, and the Birds may actually make the playoffs. Team Westbrook!
P.S. Yesterday was the first time I wanted the Steelers to win.
@Jae,
You ain’t neva lied!! I damn near passed out when they scored 14 points in24 seconds. Thank you Steerlers! Thank yoooouuu!!!
And I think Andy Reid took a good long sip of SAT DOWN for his ‘passing game b*nerism’ yesterday because I haven’t seen a game where we ran the ball that much in a LOOOOONG time.
If we had played the rest of the season like that we might actually be on top of the NFC East.
*sigh* I love football
**prepares for desolate depression once football season is over**
@blackberry molasses,
I just want Donovan to go out as far on top as possible before he gets traded to Chicago and wins a Super Bowl Ring.
@PBG,
Nobody enjoys coming to B-more. Maryland is the a$$ of the United States and Baltimore is it’s aye-nus.
**shots fired**
and jay-z is the best rapper of all time?? im no hip-hop-ologist, but somehow i feel like thats not true. i have no proof though, so i’ll just leave it at that.
and um…i dont get this post. i need you to elaborate. are women not allowed to hate beyonce? im confused. maybe i dont understand because im generally indifferent to her? this is odd.
@shatani, you’re right, Nas is the best rapper alive.
@overit,
naw, the best rapper alive* is no one, I hate top rapper lists (when I was in college two dudes got into a fist fight in the student union arguing that topic and that same day two ninjas got to fighting about a renegged book, but that is neither here nor there), it is usually an apple/oranges moot discussion
*but for the record as far as longevity, lyrical ability, fame, and record sales all combined he probably would be a pretty good candidate for the greatest.
this comment is much better, and i can actually agree.
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
There is no such thing as the best rapper ever. All best ever arguments are fruitless. There is no agreed upon criteria to use to make such a judgement.
Besides ODB is the best ever. To quote Russell Jones – “A-nun nuh”
@Deviant,
Well he dead and so now I am the Osirus of this sh*t, Alise is here forever, motherflockers!….. Let’s take it back to 79!
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
“i bomb atomically…”
honestly, decks verse on “triumph” is one of the top 5 or 6 first verses on a song in the history of hip-hop. i wont even bother to argue this. when i taught high school english, this (along with deck’s verse on “for heaven’s sake” and nas’s first verse on “second childhood”) would be one of the verses i’d print out to show my kids as an example of metaphor, personification, and other types of figurative language.
@The Champ,
a personal fave of mine is U-God’s verse of the Jump Off…The beat changes and he comes in hard
@The Champ,
“Winter Warz” – Capadonna goes hard, that is a top verse in my book!
I can’t pick a fave, but one that stands out is…
“Raw imma give it ya with no trivia, raw like cocaine straight from Bolivia.”
“Da Mystery of Chessboxin’”
@The Champ,
“I’m the sire/I set the microphone on fire/rap styles vary and carry like mariah”
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
as soon as you threw that line I started rapping the whole thing… I STAN for Wu Tang!!!!!
@blackberry molasses,
“you ain’t got nuthin’ on the rich/every other day my whole dress code switch!”
classic!
@blackberry molasses,
that line was classic
@overit, it might not be jay z but it is DEFINITELY not NAS…Pac gets my vote.. but ur uh JAY is definitely a contender..in my book….
@Shay-d-lady, are we having our first fight????
lol, I just like Nas. Jay is cool and in my top 5 too, as is Pac. I guess I don’t do the ranking thing, I always say Nas is when people say Jay is just cause lol.
@overit, now see that is exactly the type of shyt we need to stop doing as not to prove Champ right and also to stop innocent people for thinking its alright to rate NAS as the best rapper ..just kidding..except Im not..LOL I refuse to give NAS a break…not for the whole jay z thing but because as much shyt as he talks I would love to see him tell the story of how he got caught up in the industry and did the sell out bit and then came back…but he tries to act like that shyt didnt happen, instead of providing a cautionary tale as to how the industry works and how he recognized it you know admit it you drank the kool aid and then spit it out…..
@overit,
im feelin you, girl…ive always thought that ranking was a boy thing. always talkin bout favorite this or top 5 that. man, i dont know!
after we saw High Fidelity, my boys were effing insufferable!! all that top 5 ish got so damned old!
@shatani,
after we saw High Fidelity, my boys were effing insufferable!! all that top 5 ish got so damned old!
lol…i did this for like 2 months. even kept a notebook with all my rankings in it, until a friend of mine spilled sangria on it.
wait, who am i kidding, i still make lists and rank sh*t all of the time. to your point, i do think it may be more of a male thing, a possible bi-product of sports being hardwired in our dna.
@The Champ,
thats true about the sports thing. I remember guys arguning about the best running backs and point guards before we coudl even multiply.
@overit, oh and no this is not a fight…..LOL but I am giving you a tennsy weensy side eye…real quick like.
@Shay-d-lady, lmao! You know I love you Shay, you’re my favoritest storyteller!
@Shay-d-lady,
“Pac gets my vote.”
I concur. Yeah, he was a hard-head like a muhfukka, but his knowledge set to rhyme? A thing of sheer beauty.
Biggie took notes.
@shatani, “jay-z is the best rapper of all time??”
I was thinking the same thing. Jay is a great rapper, but he’s not the best rapper of all time…
@shatani,
“and um…i dont get this post. i need you to elaborate. are women not allowed to hate beyonce? im confused. maybe i dont understand because im generally indifferent to her? this is odd.”
***quoting myself***
“you see, the hatred many women feel for beyonce is an actual literal manifestation of the eons-long battle between the idea of “chick logic” and “actually being right“…a perfect metaphor for every guy who’s ever been so frustrated with a woman that he was tempted to shoot a bucket of baby pandas eating bite-sized baby panda snacks.
admittedly, there are myriad reasons (from dislike of her music to general indifference) to not give two sh*ts about bey, but its seems as if the typical beyhater goes past that to the point that they’re more unnerved by the idea of beyonce than the thundergoat herself, and this makes our (read: “men’s”) hearts sing and sh*t.
when we witness many women, in their blind and unsubstantiated fury, using everything from nepotism and birth certificates to talentlessness and america’s infatuation with light-skinned points to discount bey’s success, (conveniently forgetting the fact that each of these “facts” can be laughably refuted, and how eerily similar their claims sound to the ones usually levied against obama) we sigh and nod silently while fist-pumping to ourselves.”
@The Champ, I wonder why Beyonce gets so much hatred, while a lot of other beautiful women don’t. Most women in the entertainment business are very attractive, since image is so important. Halle Berry is an example. I’ve been in many conversations where men talk about how beautiful she is and the women will agree, but she doesn’t get the flack that Beyonce seems to.
@Leila,
good point! bey inspires a hatred that is not just connected to looks….i cant think of anyone else that this is true for. can you? im slow in the morning.. lol
@Leila,
This is me thinking outloud, but I think part of the reason that Halle doesn’t get as much flack is Beyonce is because Halle is slightly crazy. Yeah Halle is beautiful, but at the same time she’s been in and out of relationships, one of her boyfriends (Wesley) beat her until she couldn’t hear in one ear, she contemplated committing suicide, she played a crackhead……… People are able to identify with her despite her beauty. Beyonce on the other hand doesn’t have any “identifiable” flaws that bring her down to the levels of others. People may sight that she doesn’t have personality or can’t dance/act, but there’s nothing out there that suggests she’s ever had it hard like anyone else. And they don’t like that.
@V Renee,
Beyonce on the other hand doesn’t have any “identifiable” flaws that bring her down to the levels of others.
this is a good point. with most other famous entertainers, you can point out actual factual “flaws” (ie “halle’s dui’s”, “mariahs marriages and stints in psych ward” etc, etc).
with bey though, you have a person who’s been in the public eye for over a decade, but has remained devoid of any real controversy. this frustrates some people, who, in turn, manufacture ammunition
@The Champ,
true. Exactly the same rational people used to kill Jesus (not that I’m comparing Bey to Jesus) but hate is hate and people love to bring someone else to down.
@pgh muse,
stop playin, you know you comparing bey to Jesus!!! lol…blaspheme!!!
@pgh muse,
LMAO. I’m NOT… I SWEAR!!! Bey-yaki is NOT the second coming of Christ nor is she Nicolae Carpatia in HOD, lace front, and stilettos…. she’s just a girl.
@The Champ,
“with bey though, you have a person who’s been in the public eye for over a decade, but has remained devoid of any real controversy. this frustrates some people”
It’s only frustrating because what airs on E! True Hollywood Story, Bravo, A&E and US Weekly in print documentaries are missed by so many, so they continue to think she’s flawless and without controversy. And admittedly, yeah I watched em; I wanted to hear her take on the situation, to correct any fallacies I may have had. (The hope was of giving me a better understanding of her shadiness, but sadly, it didn’t – it only reinforced it)
If you don’t believe her “flawless” nature was the working of her daddy/manager and spin doctors to promote profits, you’re delusional and you need to take off those rose-colored glasses.
When you (anybody) can see that chick in the interviews speakin the truth about why she is where she is, underhandedness and all, and STILL STAN for her, it’s clear that you’re (same anybodies) just an idiot that worships PEOPLE. (same goes for those idiots that weep, cry and fall out at MJ concerts – he’s just a man (slash woman slash asian woman)
I don’t care what anybody says, THAT kind of WORSHIP is reserved only for GOD HIMSELF, and if you subscribe to celebrity worship then yeah, you’re an idiot too.
*sits in the corner obligingly*
i like her. so i’m proud to say that i am not contributing to your “women are nuts” theorem.
i do have a theory of my own. i think women with an ugly mentality hate beyonce because they think that everytime someone calls her cute (ok. men don’t really say cute. they say ‘fine’ or ‘sexy’ or whatever, but i’m going to stick with cute) that it takes 7 cute points away from them. but what these women don’t understand is that we can all (well, not ALL, but you know…) be cute. there’s enough attractiveness to go around. someone saying that beyonce is hot does not make you ugly. it does not mean you should want to look like her. it does not mean that your man should hate you or that if you are not creole and 6 ft tall, that you suck. it just means that she is hot and you may or may not be too.
with love,
normal beyonce fan #5 (aka charli)
p.s.-rain pryor probably doesn’t like beyonce. and that should be all the reason you need to muster up enough courage to at least be able to tolerate the girl.
@charli skipper, why are you making rain pryor the new jim jones? lmao!
@overit, lol! i don’t know. i feel pretty bad about it. but i am compelled to talk trash about her. lol
@charli skipper,
dammit! leave rain alone! she aint done nothin to ya’ll!
@shatani,
except for look like…that.
@PBG,
well, she’s doing that in the privacy of her own home…its not her fault the ‘razzi be all up on her and junk!
@shatani, that is soo true. i repent.
@shatani,
Oh please.
When is the last time any paparazzi were checkin’ for Rain Pryor?? The 80′s…maybe??
@shatani,
right, so she aint even in the public eye and you mad at her for lookin like she look…in the privacy of her own home!! lmao
@charli skipper,
and you should be compelled because she talks trash about everyone else. has you ever seen her on vh1 doing commentary on people? skeletor, do you have a mirror???
@charli skipper,
there are always gonna be women who feel that they need to down another woman to feel better about themselves…in fact, there are men who do the same to other men.
but why cant a woman just plain dislike beyonce without it turning into “hate”??? why does a woman who is secure in her own gorgeosity have to hide the fact that she thinks beyonce is mediocre at best, lest she finds herself proof of one of champ’s cockamamie theories??
can a woman dislike a woman simply because she does??
@shatani, no. it’s cool for people to dislike her or her music or what have you. that’s just my theory for women that catch you all off-guard by going on 6 minute tangents about her when all you said was, “I just bought me a new freakum dress.” um…hm?
dislike def does not equal hate though.
i do, however, think it’s weird when people say she’s ugly. that still doesn’t equal hate, and you need not hang a poster of her on your refrigator or anything. but ugly? that’s just odd. thus, my theory. lol
@charli skipper,
well, i would venture that, to some people, she is ugly. it wouldnt be the first time me and someone didnt see eye to on that front. eye of the beholder and all….
i think to a reasonable person, dislike doesnt equal hate….but i just get sick of hearing it, ya know. not just on the topic of bey but on the topic of any woman….if a woman doesnt see what the fuss is all about, shes hatin. if a woman *gasp* disagrees completely and think that this woman who is generally seen as fantastic is absolutely NOT fantasted, then she’s hatin.
i guess the whole concept of hate has just gotten real old to me…
@shatani, you’re such a hater. lol
@charli skipper,
damn your oily hide!! lmao
@shatani,
This could be the name of a dam nasty game, Tani.
@Lil T,
lol…its just one of my favorite mr. burns quotes! i dont want nunya nasty games!
I just feel everyone is entitled to their opinion.. its the extra that should be questioned. it is possible for some one to dislike her music and her looks and not be a hater or anything like that..you can just dislike her …. but I also have a problem with people that are about to give them selves an ulcer over their dislike..ala ms jones…..
“but I also have a problem with people that are about to give them selves an ulcer over their dislike”
precisely. i know waaaaay too many women who lose sleep over the fact that Bey is alive and women and gay men are spending hours on end trying to master the “single ladies” dance. like, get a life already. please do something better than worry about what she’s doing, what ppl are saying about her, and whether or not you think she can dance. it’s not that serious. i put that on it’s not!
@Gem of the Ocean,
i like watching all of the kooks on youtube to the single ladies dance….it amuses me to no end!
@charli skipper,
I am a Bey-Non-Liker or hater if you will but not of her as a person…of her as an artist. In my book she’s inconsistant and all over the place. I don’t like her as an actress either…I have yet to see her in a movie in which I could tolerate her role. I like Dream Girls but not Bey’s acting in it. J-Hud took that movie for me…100 and 50-11million%.
Bey as a business woman…she got that. She has found a way to keep herself relevant, be it music, movies, perfume, clothing, etc. Personally… I am not a fan of “The House of Dereon”, nor do I go out and buy her music or pay to see her movies (save for Dream Girls) but I do like some of her songs on some of her albums.
I have yet to appreciate a female, who hasn’t reached “DIVA” status cuz Patti did 6much on the stage, who “does too much” and just cuz it’s Bey, I’m not about to start.
And a Diva is NOT, I repeat NOT A FEMALE VERSION OF A HUSTLA!!!!
@Ro,
And a Diva is NOT, I repeat NOT A FEMALE VERSION OF A HUSTLA!!!!
right?? if i’m out the the streets trying to get my money anyway i can, im a hustler. i’m not a diva just because i have a vajayjay. there are female hustlers.
@charli skipper,
someone saying that beyonce is hot does not make you ugly. it does not mean you should want to look like her. it does not mean that your man should hate you or that if you are not creole and 6 ft tall, that you suck. it just means that she is hot and you may or may not be too.
so, in your opinion, the women who are completely dogmatic with their hate for bey are just threatened by her?
@charli skipper, “we can all (well, not ALL, but you know…) be cute. there’s enough attractiveness to go around. someone saying that Beyonce is hot does not make you ugly. it does not mean you should want to look like her. it does not mean that your man should hate you or that if you are not creole and 6 ft tall, that you suck.”
This is a GREAT point which speaks to the insecurities of many women independent of Beyonce. It could just as easily be your local waitress at the diner. If a man notices (falls asleep staring) a woman or compliments her in front of his SO (lets just call her that) then chances are he will sleep alone that night. Maybe the mind set behind this for women is that they want the man they are with to only see them as hot and sexxy. If a man fails to compliment his woman in the same way, then she feels less or deducts 7 pts from her already low self-esteem. In any case, there are plenty of beautiful women out there but most important, there plenty of hot and sexxy men out there as well. *smiling at a picture of Tyson Beckford*
@Ivy St, ” but most important, there plenty of hot and sexxy men out there as well. *smiling at a picture of Tyson Beckford*”
now DATS what im talkin bout! Idris, Boris, Tyson..please feel free to add on VSS’s!
@overit,
who is the man that played King Leonidas…. good lawd! *fans self*
*faints at the deliciously pleasant thought of gerard butler as king leonidas*
@overit,
im not a tyson fan…i just dont see it. but i love me some taye diggs! he just yummy!
if this comment were a bullseye, you’d be the arrow that hit the target!!
Most girls that I know love Beyonce. Personally, I give the girl props cuz she is doing her thing. But, I notice that guys are so quick to point to hatin if women say anything critical about her. If I say that Singer X didn’t have a good performance last night or the song was not great, noone really says anything. If I say the same thing about Beyonce, the first thing guys will point to is jealousy. That doesn’t make sense to me…
@Leila,
me neither! im sick of hearing about hateration when im not haterating….
@shatani, me three. If i died, I want to be reincarnated as Beyonce, but with that said, I do not like her music, but can appreciate the magic that is Beyonce, am I a hater?
@postmodern pwnage,
thats not full on hate…its more hate lite. we’ll call you a haterette!
@shatani,
Exactly!!!
I think the woman’s fine as hell. But I really can’t be moved to like her music!
@Leila,
i think men hate just as much as women. but since they don’t exhibit the cattiness women tend to, men don’t think they are warranted the title “hater”.
@Gem of the Ocean, Men hate just as much. I always notice this when the conversation turns to success and money. I was just having a conversation with my ex and one of his boys is doing really well for himself. He started his own business, built a house for his family, and is doing really well. I was happy for him, but all my ex did was downplay his success and then starts talking about himself.
mind you, “hi hater” was written by, for and to the menfolk. so they can all just SAT DOWN and try to figure out how to upgrade (big ups Bey!) themselves to hustle hard and stack paper on they own…
@Gem of the Ocean,
i think men hate just as much as women
this is true. i think its a common non-gender specific affliction. thing is, to paraphrase chuck klosterman, men are more likely to hate things that can’t hate us back (ie “the dallas cowboys”, “lawnmowers”, “ottawa”, etc) while women’s hate tends to be more specific and personal.
of course i’m generalizing here: partly because i’m lazy, and partly because i’m right anyway
@The Champ, “men are more likely to hate things that can’t hate us back (ie “the dallas cowboys”, “lawnmowers”, “ottawa”, etc)”
Don’t forget the Lakers:)
@The Champ, I’m gonna disagree with you on this one Champie.
Men tend to be haters of other men who posses athletic skills they don’t. “Kobe aight, he ain’t all that” “Dwight Howard can dunk, but what else”… I’ve read such nonsense and more on sportsblogs.
And heard it on passing conversations many a time. However, you all don’t call it hatin’ when discussing athletes and their talents. What’s the difference?
but her new cd is gah-bage.
@charli skipper,
post crab-fest gah-bage.
@PBG,
Barge worthy garbage
@charli skipper, I was disappointed as well..although Sasha is way more listenable than I AM..but with only like 11 songs total what the f!ck was the point of the 2 cd’s shed have done better just labeling 1 cd and doing 2 different sides to the liner…
@Shay-d-lady, i know. she is obviously not cooperating with this whole “go green” movement that the world is on right now. even kimora is trying to go green with fabulosity. lol
@charli skipper, ok did the PETA fiasco not teach you Bey aint worried about anything that might interfere with her campaign? lol. Only thing green Bey is worried about is money, I can’t blame her too much, that comes with her profession.
lmao @ kimora going green with fabulosity.
but is she really?? i do applaud the effort. but errybody needs to do better. save the trees, save mother earth, heal the world! (make it a better place)
@Gem of the Ocean, for you and for meeeeeee and the entire human race, there are people dyiinig, if you care enough for the living……
*saying a prayer for MJ, Blanket, and all his siblings standing under that tarp*
etwin, this was my fave song when i was like 3. i mean i used to sing it nonstop. i got video footage of the madness of me trying to heal the world with my performance of that song.
@Gem of the Ocean, girl, this is why i pray i never become famous. between my 4 brothers and i doing thriller, and me jumping out of a (newly bought) trash can with hair the size of montana and a betty boop t-shirt singing “what’s love got to do with it”, i’d stay on youtube.
*shudders*
i will say tho ‘man in the mirror’ was my JAM. I think i cried lol.
*secretly biding time til overit gets famous so i can see the aforementioned footage*
@Gem of the Ocean,
I’d be a lie if I didn’t admit there is video footage of me and my cousins creating an ENTIRE Christmas Talent Show (not act, entire show) featuring MJ music and dances…
Thriller, Bad, Black or White, Smooth Criminal (complete with the LEAN)… o we did it all
we was that hot fiyah with our 10 year old selves!
@Gem of the Ocean,
I just had on my Dangerous CD (yes, I said CD!) Last night and recounted the story of my younger brother singing “Heal the World” in his 2nd grade talent show!
I sooooo wish I had footage of that!
lol Dom im sure it was classic.
but seriously, i sang that song nonstop. i had my mom vhs that video and i played it over and over. my dad has me on tape playing around the house, tearing ish up, then randomly jumpin up like “want me to sing you a song??” *doesn’t wait for a response* “ok! we are the worrrrrrrrrld….” lmao i was such a HAM even at a tender young age. my dad would just be laughing. like wtf is wrong with this child?? is she really mine??
had i not been bright and had a bleak future and he been a better businessman, he coulda put me on and i coulda gave Bey a run for her money. hmph!
@overit,
I think some form of Michael Jackson dance routine/rendition accomponied by a death-inducing vocals, is like a global ritual for all black (mix kids included also, stop it with the discrimination…they drink water, eat and die like we do) kids have to go through.
Sh*t i have memories of me doing the moonwalk, while i had my two little sisters screaming for me like groupies…okay so maybe we were home alone and i forgot to feed them and they might have been crieng themselves hoarse from hunger, but back then i was an artist drenched in work, i was bad!!!
@sisanda,
i agree wholeheartedly with this….mine was smooth criminal! me and my cousins watched that video constantly! and we tried to do the lean all the time…and it was mad cool til you fell over. lmao!
*annie are you ok? annie are you ok? are you ok, annie?*
did anyone see joel osteen today? he prayed for the obamas’ safety. and my soul smiled. lol
i’m sure there were at least 4 people in his congregation like, “oh hell naw.”
@charli skipper,
Joel Olsteen is scary @ me. Why does he look so oily, slick, and greasy. Like he swam in a Royal Crown, Pink Oil Moisturizer, and oil sheen river.
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
He reminds me of the evil ghost preacher from the last Poltergiest movie.
@PBG,
dayum!!!!!
@Relax, Relate, Alise, aww! yall gone’ stop talking about joel like that. lol. i’m mad that you said Royal Crown. I had to think about that for a second. He does seem to have an affinity for keepin his situation moisturized, though.
@charli skipper,
and lets not forget the creepy….you have to admit he is creepy as hell! im pretty sure he touches people inappropriately while pretending it was an accident. im just sayin…
*clutching purse and sipping jacket up to chin*
@charli skipper,
and that creepiness of the disconcerting habit of squinting his eyes, creeptastic fo sho…
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
Oil sheen river? Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!
You know you need extra prayer…
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
you know, whenever i see his name, for whatever reason, i think of haley joel osment (the kid from “the sixth sense”). for whatever reason, my mind won’t allow me to think that its two completely different people
@The Champ, you know what? they do look alike.
one of my homegirls loves Joel. watches him on tv and i think even owns one of his books. i can’t really rock with televangelists like that, but Joel is aight. he gon’ be on Larry King so i might see what he’s talm bout.
before I read the comments I must post..this is bullshyt…first this is not a woman thing..this is a human thing. men and woman alike tend to fall on both ends of the spectrum concerning Be……the stans who love everything she does and to whom she is perfect and without flaws and those who dislike her because of the standom.. this is not only women he.ll there have been several impassioned beyonce discussions on VSB in which the men and women have been EQUALLY involved on both ends so boo you for trying to put this on us…now as far as I am concerned.. be is cool, I like her music but I sincerely dont understand the uber fanaticism…but I dont understand that for most people outside of Michael Jackson (well up to Dangerous Michael anyway)..and the uber fanaticism is what annoys me… I mean I dont like if I were a boy..its not because I am hater, not cause she is light skinned, I just dont like that joint….dayum
@Shay-d-lady, lmao @ the dayum. Preach! I think its easy for some men to chalk up our non shallow nature as women, by saying we are crazy. Its easier than acknowledging a real reason. This is not to say that unfortunately, some women will tear another down, to build themselves up.
I don’t support standom of any kind. Bey, or even Nas aint bring me into this world. I will say Bey lost cool points for a video I saw on youtube in which she said “this is the hardest part of my show, figuring out who will get this” and proceeded to pat herself with a towel, scan the crowd like she was lookin for her mama during a riot, and then threw the towel to some guy in the front like who “knew every, sangle word”. Is that really the hardest part of your show? I would think pattin your weave while doing the butterfly would be the hardest part.
SAT DOWN for that Bey. That was so ugly. And for anyone who wants to give me the “she is a performer” argument, you can have a sat too.
@overit, lol! i can’t argue with a single thing you have said. i said that clip and was like, “wait…hmm?”
@overit, LMAO see I havent seen such a clip..she can be a bit ridiculous…which is why I dont think I quite understand the standom…but then all women with drag queen tendencies tend to have these culltlike followings …something about them making for a good drag queen performance..thats the key.. Yall know g.a.y men(nttawwt) set all of our fashion and music trends…LMAO
@Shay-d-lady, “drag queen tendencies tend to have these culltlike followings”
Don’t I know it, I seen Holiday Heart.
stop it.
@8th Wonder,
Holiday Heart… come on, can we go there, it aint hurting nobody, tee hee
@overit, I thought it was agreed that that movie wasn’t going to be mentioned again. **side-eye**
@KindredSmile, but that was the perfect opening!….
*muttering sorry kindred and 8th*
@overit,
go ‘head girl!!!
@Shay-d-lady, I STANS for Michael. Admittedly, not so much now. But if he could pull himself together enough to put on a show, my biggest fear is that I would be one of those weirdos that gets caught on camera crying, screaming “I love youuuuuu!” The child in me won’t let my love for Mike go……..*e-embarassed*
@charli skipper,
dont be embarassed girl….if lovin michael is wrong then i dont wanna be right!
@charli skipper, The child in me won’t let my love for Mike go……..*e-embarassed*
girl dont be embarassed… I have all of the albums, cds and a video anthology ……..
girl, yes, preach that word!!!! (second word today that made me wave my hand)
Champie don’t know what he talm bout anyway. he just likes to see himself type jibberish. take errything he says with a grain of ground sea salt.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Champie don’t know what he talm bout anyway. he just likes to see himself type jibberish. take errything he says with a grain of ground sea salt.
jibberish deez
@Shay-d-lady, Exactly. There are some of her songs that I like and there are some that I don’t like…does it make me a hater—no.
@Shay-d-lady,
“the stans who love everything she does and to whom she is perfect and without flaws”
Yeah the Bey stans go hard in the paint!!! lol
@miss t-lee,
and they are QUICK to call you a hater because you question bey’s wig choice for the day or the reasoning behind that gawdyass logo all over her clothing line and junk….its just questions! dang, i aint called yo mama a ho-bag skeezer!
@shatani,
Yeah they take that ish waaaay personal. Like they know her or something.
@Shay-d-lady,
thing is, i’m not saying or even implying that women are the only ones who like or dislike bey.
the point of the entry was to analogize the logic of the women who hate bey with a passion and overall chick logic. stay with me and sh*t.
oh, and boo deez
@The Champ,
i dont get the analogy….maybe i need an operational definition of chick logic?
@shatani,
the intense yet unsubstantiated feelings many bey haters have towards her is very similiar to the thought process panama deemed “chick logic”, which is loosely defined as the tendency of many women to give feelings priority over facts, even if said feelings completely contradict any fact.
the odd feelings of animus many women have towards her is a perfect example of what we mean by chick logic.
is that more clear?
@The Champ,
thats tons more clear! i get it now…thank you for indulging me!
one last question….what are the “facts” with regard to bey that women are overlooking because of their intense feelings about her?
@The Champ, there goes that chick logic mess again.
*giving champ the sideye*
oh and tony romo definitely has sometype of mental issue..He is going to wind up ringless and in a mental institution replaying all those f!@cked up throws in his mind like that kicker was doing about his missed kick in the first ace ventura movie….
@Shay-d-lady,
“oh and tony romo definitely has sometype of mental issue”
Of course he does; I mean, look who he’s dating. They’re BOTH dingbats.
@RedBeanzNRice,
and speaking of mental health issues…i was watching conan interview kanye the other night on Late Nite and im pretty sure kanye is workin with some autistic spectrum ish…
just a thought.
as happy as i am that the Cow$hits lost, my feelings hurt a little bit for TR. how do you mentally bounce back from today’s performance?? his brain is already overworked and underachieving as it is. po’ thang.
i think he needs to be scheduled for an mri but that’s just me…
@Gem of the Ocean,
how do you mentally bounce back from today’s performance??
vicoden
nah. it’ll dull the physical pain of the a*s whoopin he probably caught in the locker room. but if anything, vicodin will make him more depressed and mentally unstable.
@Gem of the Ocean,
“my feelings hurt a little bit for TR.”
My feelings didn’t hurt for him not once. I can’t stand his h*e arse or the rest of the cowgirl squad. ‘Specially not crying azz TO. I’m glad he got his azz kicked on his birthday.
Nuh!
TO def gets no sympathy from me. i’d stomp on his grave if i cared enough to spend time and money to get to it.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Ice cold chickie, ice freakin’ cold…lol
he’s just so ridiculous. not on his humble at all.
@Shay-d-lady, autism is a dish best served cold.
@charli skipper,
i dont even understand! lmao! you a straight up fool charles! yeah, i know yo name is charli…but this is one of them “full name” situations!
@Shay-d-lady,
Romo gets no passes. Me & my boy were arguing about the Cowboys & Colts (my team). It almost came to blows when he made the claim that Romo had a better 2 year start than Peyton Manning did in his first 2 years. I told him don’t speak to me about QB’s or football again until Romo wins one, just one, playoff game.
awwww you like the Colts?? i <3 TD
*batting eyes in a non-threatening, non-home wrecking way*
Don’t thank I’m not watching you.
I usually dismiss things that I have no use for ( like the tragic mulatto), so Bey is basically off my radar. I like music. I liked B’day. Sasha Fierce is garbage. When she goes back into the studio and does better…I’ll look @ her again.
But not in the eyes.
@PBG,
“but not in the eyes”
afraid you’ll turn to stone??
@shatani,
I’ll turn into somethin’…
Uh, yeah.
I can take her or leave her. Seriously. Some of her stuff cranks, some of it is hawt gar-bahge. She is a product being mass marketed and people are eating cuz of her. I always respect the money makin gangsta- even if she does strike me as vapid, slightly vomit inducing, and HOD is some of the tackyest crap evah.
She is makin’ that money doing her thing.
Be fly and swing that lace front around girl! Do you.
Whatever. I’m done.
Can we talk about something interesting now?
@blackberry molasses,
“Can we talk about something interesting now?”
Exactly.
@PBG, i tried to talk about joel osteen. but noooooooo…
@charli skipper,
I can’t…Charli! He’s soooo scary @ me!!
This is who he reminds me of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OaG9bvSJBI
@PBG,
is it wrong that I am waiting for some ish to go down a la Jimmy Swaggart with him?
My mom loves him. But he is scary @ me also. Something about him seems…wrong. Acutally most televangelists seem wrong to me.
**grabs Bible and heads to Prayer Cubicle to talk some things out with Jesus**
@blackberry molasses,
Oh, something is gonna fall out of Pastor Olsteen’s tree. I have my $$$ on either witchcraft, infidelity or bestiality.
*Joins BBMo in the Prayer Cubicle*
@blackberry molasses,
there you go speaking my truth!! so, what shall we talk about??
read any good books lately?? overit, did you get the new potter book yet??
@shatani, WHAT NEW POTTER BOOK?? AM I MISSING SOMETHING? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TALES OF BEEDLE THE BARD?
WHERE IS BEEZ?
LUVVIE?
SOMEONE TELL ME SOMETHING!
*I am reading Can’t Stop, Won’t Stop by Jeff Chang right now though. I reccomend it.
@overit,
I’m reading “My Sister’s Keeper” by Jodi Piccoult. It’s topical and about a rabble-rousing girl. Great!
@PBG, ooh you’re going to have to tell us more about it.
@PBG, I read that one. It was really interesting and not a topic that you see in most novels. Unpopular topics seem to be Jodi’s forte. I want to read Change of Heart next.
@overit,
yes girl…dont freak out! its beedle the bard! shhhh….woo woo woo!
although there is another book…its written by melissa anelli…she is one of the people that does pottercast and she also helps run the leaky cauldron site and message boards…she interviews j.k. rowling and a lot of extra junk is supposed tobe in there…
@shatani, girl don’t be scary @ me like that! But yeah, I’m on already on Beedle the Bard, though I’m scared its not going to be as good. Did you get it?
@overit,
nah, not yet. im sure it wont be as good…its fairy tales! but still im sure it’ll be an interesting yarn…you know how j.k. do.
@shatani, we could talk about how morgan freeman’s cheating ass is getting honored at the kennedy center honors this year. isn’t that conveeeeenient?
@charli skipper,
cheatin at what? like on a wife or at monopoly? im so not up on my current events!
@shatani, he got caught with a yt woman in her raggely car after they had an wreck in mississippi. MISSISSIPPI. at first they were saying she was a family friend, but the wife was like, “i don’t know this betch.”
@charli skipper,
awww shizzle!
@charli skipper, lol @ “i don’t know this betch.”
eh. i don’t think either of them saw it as cheating since they were going through a divorce? it’s all kinda gray. and this is why i don’t date men who don’t have official papers. just cut a ninja loose on that (and a fierce weed habit) not too long ago.
@SouthernGirl,
im so feeling that…i dont wanna hear nothin bout no separated! call me when the divorce is final.
@charli skipper, aint morgan freeman the one who said don’t call me african american? lol.
@shatani,
There is a wonderful book* out entitled “Alise in Wonderland”, It is a collection of the hottest poetry ever. All the cool kids (and Luvvie) are buying it, so should you! But really, support a VSS, you can order it from either of my blog pages: http://naturallyalise.blogspot.com or http://blackwomanlost.blogspot.com .
*shameless plug
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
i support your pluggery!
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
I bought your book this morning, Alise.
@PBG,
I saw, you rock, but u already knew that!
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
plug away girlfriend… i always support fellow artists. I will cop one.
@blackberry molasses,
*single tear falls* Thank ya lady!
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
Awww… I’m definitely going to support.
@Relax, Relate, Alise, i will check this out as soon as i get out from under my xmas shopping haze.
i’m still reading “The Pleasure Center: Trust Your Animal Instincts”. i should have been done already, not many pages. school keep interrupting my reading time!
@Gem of the Ocean,
i keep meaning to pick that up…but i havent the time for leisure reading these days…im reading Schema Therapy: A Practitioner’s Guide.
@Gem of the Ocean,
i’m buying this too… soon.
“HOD is some of the tackyest crap evah”
HELLO!! tell the truth, shame the devil…
@Gem of the Ocean,
I saw two of the handbags @ the mall this weekend. I’m going to post them to Luvvie’s IG Facebook group, cuz that mess is ig’nant as all get out. House of Damnitswrong!
*dies* @ House of Damnitswrong!
@Gem of the Ocean,
House of Dead Wrong…lol
@blackberry molasses,
Can we talk about something interesting now?
honestly, i think that the idea of beyonce and the level of emoting it produces is one of the most interesting topics i can think of. there aren’t too many people that seemingly everyone has an opinion about.
even people who claim overall indifference seem to get particularly colorful with their indifference (ie: “…even if she does strike me as vapid, slightly vomit inducing, and HOD is some of the tackyest crap evah”) conveniently forgetting that colorfulness directly contradicts indifference
@The Champ,
I see Mr. Champs thinks he has a point here.
@The Champ,
“even people who claim overall indifference seem to get particularly colorful with their indifference (ie: “…even if she does strike me as vapid, slightly vomit inducing, and HOD is some of the tackyest crap evah”) conveniently forgetting that colorfulness directly contradicts indifference”
tee hee…
this is funny because you think that my colorful choice of words means that I have an emotional visceral response to her existence. I don’t. Really, I could give less than two sh*ts.
I’m a writer. I enjoy flexing my vocabulary muscles.
That is all.
P.S. As a card carying fashionista, I can authoritatively say that HOD is tacky… just gawdy. Just like Baby Phat, Rocawear, etc.
ahem twin…did you get my email?
@8th Wonder,
girl, i ain’t checked my e mail in a hot minute… i’m horrible. i know.
hang on a sec…. oh and find me on FB. my name is the same as my email
@blackberry molasses, speaking of FB….where is my ™ lesson, hmm?
@SouthernGirl,
girl you don’t need no lesson from me…. you already accomplished it.
@bbmo *shock and awe* i didn’t know it would show up like that! lol. i sooooo stumbled upon that…
@blackberry molasses,
this is funny because you think that my colorful choice of words means that I have an emotional visceral response to her existence. I don’t. Really, I could give less than two sh*ts.
really?
no, seriously?
@The Champ,
*dismissive sniff in Champs direction*
I will tolerate this today beause your team did my team a huge service by whuppin T.O. and Tony MOMO.
Well, I’m one that doesn’t like Beyonce; she’s just way too overrated and has no real talent to show for it.
Now see, when Janet was doin her thang, I was a straight up STAN fa real – even though Janet can’t sing either. The difference is that even though Janet can’t sing, she could dance her ass off, and would actually PERFORM! Beyonce can’t even do that for cryin out loud; all she can do is shake her booty-pad laden ass, and her sweated-out lacefront all over the damn stage. Not cute.
Besides that, she’s shady – and not in a good way like shay-d-lady, she’s shady like if you’re friends with her, you have to keep her EXTRA close as if she were an enemy, cause she’ll pull a switcharoo on ya wit a quickness.
I actually like Solange’s no talent havin self better than her sister because at least she’s more genuine, and to my knowledge she hasn’t stabbed anyone in the back just to take a few steps up the ladder of fame.
while i can’t co-sign anything in or about this comment, i DEF can’t agree with this:
“…and would actually PERFORM! Beyonce can’t even do that for cryin out loud”
i think Bey puts on a great, money’s worth (price of admin and gas) show.
@RedBeanzNRice, Bey’s character aside (which I am not checking for since I don’t know her) how does she not perform??
You need approximately 86 more people.
@overit & overit
No, she doesn’t perform – she shakes her ass and her weave, that’s all. That is NOT performing, that’s PANDERING. I personally can’t abide by it, and I think it sends the wrong message to up and coming artists.
The message being “Sex sells, so if you have true talent, check it at the door if you want a contract.”
I ain’t mad if people wanna spend they money to see her, that’s their bank account, not mine. What I do know is that her tickets ain’t even worth the $5.38 I spend on fried chicken from Walmart deli – and that’s WITH potato salad.
And can we make it 14 people? Cause mostly everybody I know is asleep right now, lol.
@RedBeanzNRice, LMAO, fine 14 people.
“The message being “Sex sells, so if you have true talent, check it at the door if you want a contract.”
I agree this message is wrong, but I will argue that if you want to reach superstar status in any field under the entertaiment umbrella, you will have to do some kind of pandering. Janet sold sex (and for the record I LOVE Janet) but we love her. The industry does a great job at convincing people that what they do in their career has no bearing on them as a person.
All this to say, Bey aint the first and she won’t be the last.
Snap for da kids!
@overit,
Thanks for the 14. I was gettin kinda nervous over 86, lol.
But what about Toni Braxton? OMG she was the bomb until she went all half-nekkid (3/4 really) in an attempt to get more money to pay off Babyface’s greedy ass.
SHE has/had REAL talent, and a nice body, but look what that “sex sells” thing got her.
True, Beyonce isn’t the first and won’t be the last – but she wouldn’t have HAD to be that if she had real talent, and wasn’t a backstabbin, money-grubbin opportunist. That’s all I’m sayin.
And Janet? Yeah, she got the fake boobs and would touch em ever chance she got, just to show that she had some “extra” talent, lol. But her “sex sells” act was never about her lack of talent. She had 3 hit records before that even happened. In her case, she just wanted to switch it up a bit, I guess, lol.
@RedBeanzNRice, uh uh! I call bullsh*t! How you gonna make excuses for Janet, and not Bey?
@overit,
Because Janet didn’t have to do it, she just wanted to. Beyonce HAD to do it.
Face it – was she doing that when she was a part of Destiny’s Child? Nope. Was that what she did AFTER Destiny’s Child? Yep.
Janet came out with 3 hit records without doing that “sex sells” thing. But Beyonce HAD to do it from the gate cause she knew damn well that she couldn’t even sing. All that OVERLY-EXTRA vibrato in a song does not a singer make.
@RedBeanzNRice, Janet uses sex a lot more than Beyonce will. I love Janet, but Beyonce is the better singer between them while Janet is the better dancer.
@Leila,
“Janet uses sex a lot more than Beyonce will…but Beyonce is the better singer between them”
Really? When was the last time you saw Janet shakin her ass all over the place instead of real dancing? Beyonce is a 2-trick pony, and the 2 tricks are lace-front weaves and booty pads.
And as far as singing? Neither one of them can sing, but I DEFINITELY can’t say Beyonce can sing better than Janet, because Beyonce just uses (attempted but fake) church choir vibrato to make it SEEM like she can sing.
Janet (even though I love her to pieces) is a back up singer at best. She doesn’t pretend she can sing – hell, she knows she can’t, which is why she dances her ass off.
So, BOTH of them are EQUALLY lame in the singing department. Just keepin it real.
@Leila, I agree, Bey is the better singer. I don’t even see the comparison! I’m not a Bey stan by any stretch, but I don’t see how anyone can say her and Janet are better singers. Janet was whispering way before the Ying Yang twins.
@overit, Janet didnt sell sex untell well after she hit superstardom she was always fully clothed and dancing…remember thats why people where so taken aback with the “anytime anyplace” janet…Lets wait a while was my joint!!!
@RedBeanzNRice,
What I do know is that her tickets ain’t even worth the $5.38 I spend on fried chicken from Walmart deli – and that’s WITH potato salad.
With a name like yours, this comment disturbs me. I rebuke soul food purchased at marts!
@overit,
“With a name like yours, this comment disturbs me. I rebuke soul food purchased at marts!”
LMAO -it’s a recession. So, when I’m not in the mood to cook it’s off to the grocery store deli I go, lol.
Besides that, it’s better than Popeye’s (I wanna stab myself for sayin that, cause I loves me some Popeyes) and you just can’t beat the price, lol.
@RedBeanzNRice,
well you’ve obviously made up in your mind what you think about Bey and i’m not entirely sure i want to really address all the things in this comment that confirms Champie’s original post. esp the “sex sells” part. cuz MOST women use sex to sell in their every day lives, so pointing the finger at celebs who do it is just a waste of energy and neuromuscular synaptic transmission…
but i will say, i don’t think Bey just shakes her booty. i actually paid for and SAW her ENTIRE show with my own 2 eyes, and my eyes (and brain, for that matter) work just fine. Bey is a great performer, DANCED the hell outta her entire ~2hr show in f*cking stilletos (which i ain’t neva seent Janet do), looked gorgeous, and sounded good. period. i actually wasn’t all that into Bey before seeing her show. my friend had to drag me 2hrs to the Land of Cleve for the show. now i’ve had a real B’Day experience and like the chick much more as a result.
if you don’t like her, you don’t like her. and i wouldn’t expect you to admit to anything good about her since you find her so detesting. but my daddy told me never boo when kudos are deserved becuz game should recognize game. and sh*t, i’m a DIVA so i recognize Bey’s fabulosity and her talent. and she aight wit me.
@Gem of the Ocean,
“i wouldn’t expect you to admit to anything good about her since you find her so detesting.”
See, I really hate when people say things like this. Just because I’m only pointing out facts about her overratedness you assume I detest her, and you also assume I have nothing nice to say just because I haven’t said anything congratulatory about her on this thread.
Now, you say you saw her in concert and she danced in stilettos and all that. To that I say, I guess it depends on what you call dancing.
perhaps i made a slight stretch by using detest. but i don’t remember seeing you say any one nice thing about her. your comments here today have been long and full of negative things to say.
but like i said, i don’t expect you to say anything good about her when you are quite willing to share all the negative.
that’s all.
@Gem of the Ocean,
“but like i said, i don’t expect you to say anything good about her when you are quite willing to share all the negative”
Well, I don’t see my comments as negative, but I can see how they can be taken that way by a fan. And I’m not going to say anything to her credit, because everything I would say to her credit has already been said by other posters. Why repeat them? : )
come on now. your comments ARE negative. i didn’t make that ish up. you can call me a “fan” if you want to but i’m simply recognizing a woman on her hustle who is the hottest thing out there–whether you agree or not. now almost every comment you’ve made abotu Bey have been negative. calling her a “a 2-trick pony, and the 2 tricks are lace-front weaves and booty pads” who is shady and not worth the $$ you pay for walmart chicken. those certainly aren’t positive things.
i’m not calling you negative, if that’s how you’re taking this. i’m just saying you haven’t sad anything good about her. which is true. i didn’t make that up. you’re entitled to your opinion. becuz, well, it’s yours.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Well, I wasn’t calling you in particular a fan per se. I was just saying “a fan” (as in anybody that considers themselves fans)
Lace-front weaves and booty pads aren’t positive things? Guess that depends on perception. I own a lacefront, and would gladly buy booty pads to fill out my some of my looser fitting jeans, lol. So no, I don’t see that as negative, I see that as “I’m just sayin”.
That’s all. : )
I gotta go eat some biscuits, now. *starving*
lol that’s not what i meant but it doesn’t matter. i now see what you’re saying and where you’re coming from.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Ok then. By us having said all of that, we can agree to disagree about Beyonce in a civil manner. Don’t get me wrong, I dig ya Gem, it’s just that we have different viewpoints concerning the said “diva”.
And, frankly (aside from my rationale about her talent and morals) she’s a chick that came up in a “white-only driven pop” industry despite the drama. (insert backhanded compliment here, but I won’t, lol)
I mean really, it’s her and Michael Jackson that “represent” in the pop world. (even though Michael is now an old white/asian lady, he was still born black, lol)
So that’s one thing to her credit that I can say about her that hasn’t really been stated, even though I said I wouldn’t say anything to her credit, lol.
*I did that just for you, Gem* : )
@RedBeanzNRice,
***silently nodding, smiling, and pumping fist at this entire exchange***
@The Champ,
***silently nodding, smiling, and pumping fist at this entire exchange***
Well, you shouldn’t be, because this:
“when we witness many women, in their blind and unsubstantiated fury, ”
did not occur. There was no fury, and there was nothing said that is unsubstantiated.
@RedBeanzNRice,
“…and there was nothing said that is unsubstantiated.”
ok. please substantiate the following.
“Besides that, she’s shady – and not in a good way like shay-d-lady, she’s shady like if you’re friends with her, you have to keep her EXTRA close as if she were an enemy, cause she’ll pull a switcharoo on ya wit a quickness.”
and…
“I actually like Solange’s no talent havin self better than her sister because at least she’s more genuine”
***waiting for substantiation***
@The Champ,
*have to keep her EXTRA close as if she were an enemy, cause she’ll pull a switcharoo on ya wit a quickness.”*
See Destiny’s Child. Those were her supposed “sisters”?
““I actually like Solange’s no talent havin self better than her sister because at least she’s more genuine”
I watched a few of her interviews and 1 or 2 webcams of her talking, and she’s just more genuine with her personality. Less rehearsed, more open with her situations.
umm…why does champ keep changing the picture? is this some stan mess? haha
@charli skipper,
I honestly don’t believe this post was meant for any of the VSS’s.
@PBG,
sure it was! it was meant for us to argue and fight over so the boys can sit back and say, “chick logic” lmao…
im still not getting the point of the post!
@shatani, that whole ‘chick logic’ is such a school yard, tag you’re it, cooties and lice infested statement!
@overit,
circle, circle, dot, dot, now i got my cootie shot…. tee hee
@overit,
lmao!
@overit,
Wow. Lice infested? Most black folks don’t get lice cause those lil phuckers can’t survive all the hair grease or activator (if you rocked a jheri curl). Cooties? Well yeah, we’re not immune, lol.
@RedBeanzNRice,
lmao!! now you KNOW thats not why black folks dont usually get lice!
@shatani,
Then why don’t black folks typically get lice – even in grade-school classroom settings where all the white/other people get it?
Do they just not like our hair follicles as opposed to white folks follicles? Are lice just racist bastids?
Please…expound.
@shatani,
well a nurse once told me that our hair is not an ideal home for the lices. even when we relax it, the spirally pattern makes it hard for them to get a grip and lay their eggs (shiver)…they prefer the straight hair. now thats not to say that we will never get lice, but if theres a 2520 nearby, that’ll be the first choice.
thats what the nursey lady told me!
@shatani,
Lol, well I can’t readily agree with nursie’s explanation because I know lice can live in (eww) black folks hair just as easily. The type of hair is not the issue.
I really do believe that the kemmy-cals (grease, activator, pink lotion, sportin’waves, lol) we put in our hair create an environment where they can’t take up shop on our persons. But, that’s just me, lol.
i’m just mad that “chick logic” somehow morphed into “lice” within a span of 3 comments, lol.
@shatani,
but beanzie (thats your new nickname) i dont put nunnadat in my hair and the nurse was still absolutely certain i would not have the lice because of the texture…if theres a 2520 available thats first choice….but its not like nappy heads never get lice. folks in third world countries get the lice because the lice dont have another choice….nappiness creates a hostile living environment. at least thats what the nurse told me! lmao…whatever the case, i was workin in a summer camp full of little white children and they all had the affliction…counselors too. but not me and there was nothin in my hair but water and fresh air…
@shatani,
*accepts the nickname and throws in a side order of cornbread*
“nappiness creates a hostile living environment.”
Ok, really? LMAO. That was too funny, and I admittedly had to pick my mouth up off the floor from laughing that hard. I mean damn; I’m picturing lice as jungle bushmen trying to cut through the bush with machetes just to set up residence.
Secondly – you were rockin NOTHING in your hair but water and air? Not only is that a breeding ground for lice, that’s a surefire way to have a crispy afro – and that’s never cute. I mean, no nuts? no berries?
(thanks to Eddie Murphy’s comedy BEFORE his fall)
Lastly if you pick up a bottle of that RID lice killer at the drugstore and read the ingredients I can guarantee* you’ll see some of the same ingredients listed that we use in our hair care products, which further solidifies my point.
*I’ve never done that, so I don’t really know, but since I’ve been drinking again I had to make a point, whether true or not, lol, this will do for now. Can’t help it – I’m hard-headed while on Vodka, lol. (don’t judge me)
@charli skipper,
umm…why does champ keep changing the picture? is this some stan mess? haha
lol, i posted the entry before i was completely done with it. i changed the pic because i felt it was more aligned with my thesis and the general mood i was trying to convey and sh*t.
@The Champ,
What? That she’s just a regular chick because she walks out in a salon/spa cape?
@PBG,
lol…just trying to put a human face on the hate, thats all
OK, we can all admit that Hollywood hypes people up and our media is this and that. But how many ladies in here can say they aint neva tried to get the choreograph down on any Bey video, or that theyhaven’t cleaned the house or fake worked out to Bey tracks?
Let’s keep it real, Beyonce helps us maintain our cardivascular situation. IF nothing else, lol.
@overit,
i really think youre preaching to the choir here! lmao…
yes, i’ve done all of the above. and truth be told, i stand by the idea that “Upgrade U” was written for and about me. i was like “damn Gem you do need to up your game cuz you are not currently relevent.” thanks Bey!! smooches!
***this comment brought to you by the Beyonce Had Me Look In The Mirror And Reevaluate My Situation Foundation, Inc.***
@Gem of the Ocean, dead @ Beyonce Had Me Look In The Mirror And Reevaluate My Situation Foundation, Inc.
Girl did I tell you what happened at the last Beyonce Had Me Look In The Mirror And Reevaluate My Situation Foundation luncheon? So after we ate all the mac n cheese and southern delicacies we could imagine, Bey herself came out and gave us ALL House of damnitsfree handbags! I was so cised. There was also a complementary dance room where we got to do work on the parts of the Get Me Bodied choreography we couldn’t get down, Kelly was teaching that. Good times!
*uh-ohing my butt to bed*
drats, i missed it!! *making a note to not only be relevent but know of relevent events*
@Gem of the Ocean & overit, Beyonce will have you look at your relationship in the mirror. you’re just listening to the song like, “i’ll be damned. she’s right! eugene, if you thought i would wait for you, you thought wr000000000ng. but you’s just a boy.”
@charli skipper,
eugene, though? lmao
@charli skipper, don’t make me bust out in e-karaoke mode and my ms. officer uniform.
hayyyy!
*snapping* yes girl. “me, myself, and i” was a theme i had to adopt, repeat over and over, internalize and live. sometimes a young girl gets caught up in “love” and just needs to GHETTOUT.
@Gem of the Ocean,
awww, ghettout was my jam!!! but yes, me myself and i is some goooood ish. plus, i love Resentment…thats some real ish right there.
@Gem of the Ocean,
how does one know whether or not they are relevant??
*worries*
listen to the song and if you don’t know of* any of the designer/high-end merchandise to which she is speaking, you may need an upgrade becuz you are not relevent.
*owning/affording said merchandise is another situation entirely. see “sex sells”
@Gem of the Ocean,
you know ive had some offers to sell sex, but it just feels wrong! lmao!
is it okay if i just know what they are, rather than owning them?? cuz 1. im po’ and 2. im not one for labels really
hey, knowing is half the battle. you’re still relevent in normal circles. if you had millions and you didn’t own 1 mentioned item, you’d be in serious need of an UPGRADE!
@Gem of the Ocean,
oh good!
*retreats to the warm embrace of normalcy*
“But how many ladies in here can say they aint neva tried to get the choreograph down on any Bey video”
*raises hand* Present!
Sorry, but I’d rather learn all the steps to a Jennifer Lopez joint (lame) than Beyonce’s 2-step booty shake (wack)
*no offense to Rosie Perez*
@overit,
“But how many ladies in here can say they aint neva tried to get the choreograph down on any Bey video, or that theyhaven’t cleaned the house or fake worked out to Bey tracks?”
I’ve worked out to the music, but as far as trying to get down the choreography, I don’t have that kinda time on my hands..lol
@miss t-lee,
speak it!! that is more of an unemployed person’s game!
@shatani, yall are all some frontin mofo’s! you know i e-love you but even if memorizing the choreography is an unemployed person’s game, what would you call the hours ALL yall be clockin on vsb?
yeah i said it! we all waste some of our time, so memorize choreography, and some watch a whole season of lost. its all the same.
Lost is whack. if you’re going to waste your time watching a show it should be one of the following:
The Office
Grey’s Anatomy
Lipstick Jungle (may if RIP after this season)
Real Housewives of Atlanta
and pretty much any syndicated show on TVone (namely Living Single and Martin)
@Gem of the Ocean,
okay?!?! i was just watching the latest lipstick jungle and the office last night! love it!!
@Gem of the Ocean,
don’t forget back episodes of “the wire” (especially seasons 1, 3 , and 4)
of course, goes without saying!
@overit,
now now…memorizing the choreography is far different that memorizing, practicing and performing the choreography! i mean, ive seen that video and the ones by the various gay men with too much time on their hands enough times that i know the choreography…i know whats comin next…i know when to look away because i dont need to be so familiar with bey’s Lady Place….i have not once tried to do it, or practiced so i could unveil it at the club or on the youtubes! that is the part that is extremely time consuming…
vsb doesnt require me to get up and put on a sports bra, dangit!
@overit,
I can see how one could equate memorizing Beyonce’s choreography with keeping vampire hours on VSB as far as being time-wasters. I can really see it.
damn, PBG, i’m sensing this comments is dripping in sarcasm. i think what my e-twin is trying to say (and i will go ahead and speak for her since we are, afterall, attached at the e-hip) is that we all make time for what we want. be it BSing on VSB at the wee hours of the morning or learning a dance on tv/youtube. some lame ppl read leather bond books and sh*t. ppl waste time in different ways.
@Gem of the Ocean,
You’re almost right about what I typed, Gem.
And 100% right about your own comment.
i don’t watch videos so i’m always the last to know what’s happening in mainstream music. but when i go out, i know my girls have the moves down and i just watch and follow them. i guess as a former dancer i pick up on choreographed moves quickly and it really isn’t time consuming. just takes one trip to the club heyyyyyy!
@overit, Let’s keep it real, Beyonce helps us maintain our cardivascular situation. IF nothing else, lol.
The only time I listen to Beyonce is when I am out for a run or on the treadmill. Those dance tracks are good for keeping the workout going. However, I’ve never tried to learn her choreography, and I am always amused to see ladies at the club doing every move to Get Me Bodied. Pure Comedy!!
@N.I.A. isonebadmutha….
Pure comedy…I totally agree.
A couple of weeks ago at my cousin’s wedding, one of my younger cousin’s (16) busted out the entire Single Ladies routine at the reception.
Made for some real good reception video.
::snicker::
@miss t-lee,
the visual of this is hi-freakin-larious
“Let’s keep it real, Beyonce helps us maintain our cardivascular situation. IF nothing else, lol.”
1/1/9
My sh!t drastically changes.
@Jac,
1/1/9
My sh!t drastically changes.
***watching jac’s reply fly completely over my head***
@The Champ,
I think Jac was referring to a new year’s resolution to get in shape.
No?
@miss t-lee,
ok. i get it now. thanks and sh*t
Errrr. Hmmmm.
*drawing blanks*
I don’t think I care enough to actually have an opinion on Beyonce.
Oh, actually I just found something to say on the subject. “Get me bodied” is one of my favoritest workout songs, it’s a good picker upper when the pace slows down. The End. Next.
@MsSula, Beyonce’s songs are good for a workout. I just worked out this morning listening to her songs.
@Leila,
I co-sign this. You definitely don’t wanna quit when her songs are on…lol
I think bey is a bad *insert ingenious euphemism for female dog here*. Do i think she might have the personality equivalent to an ant? Absolutely, or at least that is what she wants us to think. What I know for sure is-is that every time I am at work and run into her she is sweet as pie.
On a totally unrelated note: Does it make me a vsb fanatic for wanting a better cell w/ internet so I can keep up w/ you guys?
lmao @ “Do i think she might have the personality equivalent to an ant?”
an ant tho?? i’m not even sure if you could hear an ant’s voice to evaluate his/her personality. either way, please don’t make me get my iron lung…
“an ant tho?? i’m not even sure if you could hear an ant’s voice to evaluate his/her personality.”
@ Gem: …and THAT just proved my point! (kim wayans moment)
@meleka,
Does it make me a vsb fanatic for wanting a better cell w/ internet so I can keep up w/ you guys?
it does, but this is one of the reasons why we love you, young leek.
Just because a woman (or man) might not like Bey or any other artist does not make them “nucking futs.” Bey is a great entertainer but not a great singer…a deaf man could tell you that. If she did not look the way she looked, you guys would be the first ones to say something bad about her. Would that be “nucking futs?” Hmmm.
@Shelia,
Good point.
@Shelia,
Just because a woman (or man) might not like Bey or any other artist does not make them “nucking futs.”
***waiting for shelia to point out where exactly in the entry i said or even implied this to be true***
***still waiting***
***taking a kool-aid and fried zucchini break. will resume the waiting in approximately 10 minutes***
@The Champ, lol Champ…I was addressing that little jab in the next to the last paragraph:
“sometimes the logic matrix of a woman runs so deep that you begin to question the reality you know is true, but hearing a woman rail about b brings us back to earth, and reminds us that luvvie water is still wet, tony romo is still autistic, and many women are still nucking futs”
I actually like Bey! I always have that baffled look on my face when women (and some men) go off on a tangent about how much they don’t like her.
It’s like they despise her for being pretty, a singer and a dancer (I won’t say actress though). She can’t help it that she’s fine (yes I said fine) and sexy! Lol
Admitting Bey is the bomb takes nothing away from you, ladies! Trust me, I’m a doctor! J/k Leave her alone and stop hatin’!
@Mimi,
mimi not a doctor but she plays one on the interwebs…
I appreciate Bey for what she is and what she does, I just think there are better talents than her in the music world. For Example: Alicia Keys (obviously), Jill Scott, and Jennifer Hudson (sings better than them all). I think Mathew Knowles did a great job of putting her out there and now we’re stuck forever.
i think this is comparing apples and oranges. just becuz these singers all have vages doesn’t mean they should be evaluated with the same score sheet. some don’t dance (or shake booty’s as some might argue), some have WHACtastic songs, and none of them really have similar styles of singing or performing shows (for those who have actually had major shows–this means JHud). Bey is in a separate category. you can question her talent level but not while comparing and contrasting to these other artists.
@Gem of the Ocean,
gemmie talkin bout the vadge!
Champ, I have wondered the same thing myself.
Especially since B is not the first light skinned singer. Consider Alecia Keys vs. B.
Lets look at the tape………..
Both are light skinned (AK is lighter most days/in most pictures), long haired (Isn’t AK’s real?) singers (neither are very good IMHO).
Neither are “binge and purge” girls (i.e., they got the sista curves)
Both have had their time in the spotlight (seems B has gotten a better pump up by the media recently)
The only differences I can see is that
AK has that hood swagger, smirk, and side eye down pat. B can only play the role
AK is certainly more talent (she can play her butt off on that pianna). Not sure exactly what B can do but act a little and dance a little
AK has kept her relationships pretty low key (vs. B playing games regarding her and Joe Camel)
AK was always solo (no shady Destiny’s Child break up shyt)
But AK never, in my memory, got such hateration as B has.
Why is that VSB? I think the media has really overplayed B so much that I think in general we are tired of her, all the pictures, interviews, covers, etc. And we are asking, WHY?
And for me, she sometimes comes across fake, like she is always so concerned about her image that you never see the real B.
B is cool and all, but I would take AK any day.
@Swamii,
“I think the media has really overplayed B so much that I think in general we are tired of her, all the pictures, interviews, covers, etc. And we are asking, WHY?”
I don’t think it’s the media. I think it’s her and her manager…lol
She’s tryna stack back that change, so once she sits down she won’t have to comeback…lol
@miss t-lee,
and truly…i cant knock the hustle! she is obviously not gettin my money, but i dont begrudge her the money she CAN get….gone and getcha some, i say!
@Swamii,
LOL @ this post comparing Alicia Keys to Beyonce and ignoring the 800 lb elephant in the room.
On what planet is Alicia Keys as attractive as Bey??? I’ve seen both of them live too so don’t pull that “tv magic” argument.
@Dorian G., they are both beautiful. Stop it.
@overit,
Thats like saying everyone in the olympics is fast
@Dorian G., are we going to fight about this?
@overit,
*goes to get the vaseline for overit*
lemme hold your earrings girl…
@Dorian G.,
Thats like saying everyone in the olympics is fast
this made me literally laugh aloud. thanks and sh*t
@Dorian G.,
This coming from the man who thinks Mint Condition is wack and loses his effin’ mind @ the Layla Lounge every time a T-Pain song comes on.
In all suppositions, consider the source.
@PBG,
hawt d@mn!
I loves me some PBG!
LMMFBAO
@blackberry molasses,
Let me give Dorian a break. He knows I love his face, but we don’t see eye-to-eye on stuff cuz I’m taller.
@PBG, CTFU!
LMAO!
Why am I just now seeing this hilarity?
@PBG, “This coming from the man who thinks Mint Condition is wack and loses his effin’ mind @ the Layla Lounge every time a T-Pain song comes on.”
LMAO.
*shots fired*
@PBG,
Even using this red herring woman logic, wouldn’t that mean that I should be an authority as to who is better looking between Bey and Alicia because I am in clubs?
Also why you mad at me that I’m enjoying myself listening to contemporary club music, IN THE CLUB, while you on the sidelines waiting for Souls of Mischief to drop, wearing your Stokley Williams t shirt?
@Dorian G.,
And because I would wear that shirt is why I can’t lend any credence to your statements, past or present. Future, maybe. Who knows…epiphanies happen every day.
@Swamii, I think its because AK got street cred… and B tried to marry into it.
in the same way you can’t buy class, you can’t buy street cred.
@Intellectual Hedonist,
but she needs a soldier!
@Intellectual Hedonist,
Wait so Alicia Keys has street cred now???? Why cuz she did the song for Bond?
SHE WENT TO COLUMBIA! Ain’t no gangstas in the ivy league yo
@Dorian G.,
*ahem*I beg to differ. I am quite gangsta, thank you. LOL
Also, there are at least 150 men I know personally who would argue with you about that. They’d be a bunch of delusional liars, but they’ll argue with you nontheless. With PowerPoint slides and such….
@blackberry molasses,
only ivy league gangsta can come wit powerpoint presentation to argue about which pop singer has more street cred.
im just sayin…
@Dorian G., she got accepted into Columbia, she aint go! As did Aaliyah.
And I aint too proud to beg to differ with this statement:
“Ain’t no gangstas in the ivy league yo”
@Dorian G., Im’m bbmo’s more people…
I know plenty of gangsta’s that went to ivy league institutions. Smart as h3ll mo fo’s and now they got parchment
@Intellectual Hedonist,
I know plenty of gangsta’s that went to ivy league institutions.
no you don’t. stop lying and sh*t
@The Champ, ok so I can definitely say I know 2~ fo real, Im talking with criminal record and having done federal time. Wait I forgot someone 3 I know 3
@Intellectual Hedonist,
Wow. Really? FEDERAL prison?
Federal prison = Romper Room
State prison = School House Rock
Federal inmates may know the ABC’s of gangsta, but they don’t know how spell it, lol.
@Swamii,
“And for me, she sometimes comes across fake, like she is always so concerned about her image that you never see the real B.”
That’s what rubs me the wrong way too. But it doesn’t make me hate her, just keeps me from being a stan and makes me like her music better than I like her.
I get that same fake feeling from Tyra but to the 100th power and it really gets under my skin. I think I feel about Tyra the way some feel about Beyonce. Tyra gets on my nerves to an illogical, nucking futs level.
@shhwhisper, “I get that same fake feeling from Tyra”
Tyra seems more fake than Beyonce. I can’t sit through her talk show cuz she has that really fake smile and just comes off as so annoying. I think Beyonce is just a shy girl and comes off as very reserved.
@shhwhisper,
“I get that same fake feeling from Tyra but to the 100th power and it really gets under my skin.”
*sighs* Let the truth come out! Am I the only one that’s overjoyed that her show is getting cancelled? I mean really, the only reason she has guests on the show is to interview herself – ugh.
I only saw the show 2 times, and that was 2 times too many. One with Janet, the other with a dwarf girl with a rare dwarfism gene. And both times Tyra had to make the show about herself, NOT about her guests. She actually came out singing, wait, SINGING her favorite Janet song to the audience while Janet was right there on the couch, as if Janet wasn’t there and could sing her own damn song. *sighs* (the pay no attention to Janet..IM here – look at me, me, me!)
And with the little dwarf girl? Tyra actually compared her Sports Illustrated cover shot to this lil girl’s LIFE struggle. UGH on way too many levels to type.
Word to Joel McHale from the Soup, lol
@Swamii, “AK never, in my memory, got such hateration as B has”
It’s because AK takes breaks, while Beyonce is way overexposed. The girl is everywhere from music to movies to magazine covers to commercials. That’s why the public gets tired of seeing her. I don’t have a tv, but when I went home for Thanksgiving, I swear her Upgrade U commercial for digital cable was on every 5 seconds. It became so annoying.
@Leila,
It was on more than a few times during the game yesterday too…lol
@Swamii, LOL dont you give the answer to your question in your post?
@Swamii,
“AK has that hood swagger, smirk, and side eye down pat. B can only play the role”
Hold up there, Swamii. Beyonce’s a Texan, and ghetto by nature. You can hear it in her speaking voice, and it shows in her acting “skills”. So really, it’s the “cover up” of her hood that’s fake and pronounced – not her actual hoodness, lol.
Alicia is hood as hell, too; it’s just that she doesn’t try to hide it. She shows herself, and it’s lovely.
This might have fit better on your “true story” page…….
My ex, who is a beautiful woman, always wore her hair natural; braids or twists. One day she decides to press it. I see her with her hair down past her shoulders and I say “Hey Beyonce”
………………………….
I get the laser eyes, chopping me up into so many pieces that they are still finding my parts in the Chesapeak Bay. Followed by the, long, stern conversation that boiled down to “I do not consider that a compliment” and the “if you knew me you would know better” followup. Then followed by the total freeze out the rest of the day.
So I take it to the court of appeals (co worker that tries to help me figure out the minefield that relationships can be) and ask her what was up. She is puzzled, telling me she is not sure what the problem is, that she would have considered it a compliment.
Now, my beautiful ex, who I would chose over B any day, is brown, slender with curves, and as I mentioned, natural. My coworker is very tall, light, perms her short hair, models on the side, and is curvy.
Wonder why they two different reactions?
Hmmmmm………
@Swamii,
I say “Hey Beyonce”
LMAO!!!!! Yeah…don’t do that again…
@miss t-lee,
right!?!? dont even worry bout why…just dont do it.
@miss t-lee,
Not an issue. Not with her anymore.
But the next one………….
@Swamii,
Oh okay…lol
@Swamii,
No need to ask yourself why it went down like that. Just don’t do that sh*t again homey.
@Lil’T,
Ditto above………….
@Swamii,
Wonder why they two different reactions?
i love rhetorical questions, especially when they help to prove how right i am
@Swamii,
Women with different sensibilities and interests. Seems pretty simple and obvious to me.
*makes you wonder if men’s logic is actual logic*
@Ms. Sula,
maybe dude logic is just as pervasive as chick logic!
*cue ominous music*
whether women think she’s hot or not, Bey is the HOTTEST female celeb on the scene. period. you can like it or not, but doesn’t change her fame, her serious fortunes (do to her serious hustling), and certainly doesn’t change the fact that Bey is a household name–her face/name is selling everything cosmetically related, not to mention her own clothing line which may be doo-doo but ppl buyin it. all that comes to mind is some choice T.I. lyrics*…
anyhoo, i say all that to say i think being called Beyonce is as good as a compliment. being compared to the baddest chick in the game–how is that a bad thing?? so what you think she’s ugly or talentless?? if your man thinks she’s gorgeous then you should be good. no need to get caught up on the dumb sh*t. now, if he said you looked like Ashanti, THEN you should be highly offended. and feel free to start swinging.
*would it make you feel better if i put my pockets on the die?
if i made less money, started to dress bummy
would the haters and the critics have more respect for me?
should i downgrade the crib and the way i live?
now how about i don’t and we just say I did
@Gem of the Ocean, oh and GEM I l e-love you…but you are really going hard on this PRO beyonce thing….LMAO I mean I just started reading and every single negative comment has your rebuttal…….
lol and i e-love you like a play e-cousin too, shay-d!!
you can call it PRO beyonce if you want to. i just think ppl go really hard hating her on some BS. its difficult for me to idley sit by and see ppl lose themselves in hateration and holleration. GET A LIFE! if you* (global sense) simply don’t like the chick, cool. but when you* start catching an attitude becuz some one uttered the child’s name, there’s a problem. ppl need to give it a rest and just calm the eff down. nothing and nobody is ever really that serious to be getting all fired up. she’s not going to disappear from the tv screen becuz you* are tired of seeing/hearing her. just sat down and take notes lol.
@Swamii, first of all your co worker is a hater that was probably feeling you and would side automatically with anything you said…I cant stand that Shyt……and then men will come back and say “shay shay” at the job even said that you overreacted…WTF?? Okay I have no real comment on your actual issue psted..but I had to relax, relate release on that one
Love the Tony Romo jab…considering his azz had me screaming at the tv yesterday…but the Steelers pulled it out…yay!!
I haven’t called all my cowgirl friends yet, the ones who’ve been talking ish (for 2 weeks straight) about how they were gonna win the game. I wanna make them think I forgot. But they’re all getting calls today!!! :evil laugh::
Oh….’Yonce. I don’t have the energy today. She’s all right. A decent singer at best, and great performer. She’s not at the top my list of singers, but I can’t say I hate the girl.
However, I do hate her rendition of Silent Night. OMG!!! I was in Wal-Mart yesterday morning and that ish came on over the PA. How the hell do you an entire song of runs? I was so upset she butchered one of my favorite Christmas songs.
Other than that, I don’t have any beef with ‘Yonce.
@miss t-lee,
thats what happens when you give bey too much dead air…she will fill that ish up! say goodbye to your silent night, sucka!
@shatani,
Yeah…it was bad.
@miss t-lee,
I haven’t called all my cowgirl friends yet, the ones who’ve been talking ish (for 2 weeks straight) about how they were gonna win the game. I wanna make them think I forgot. But they’re all getting calls today!!! :evil laugh::
you have no idea how many taunting texts i’ve received for the past week or so from cowboys fans. i’m thinking that instead of a reply text, i’m just gonna send them all a link to a youtube video loop of my least favorite person in sports (read: “owens, terrell”) crying on the sidelines.
@The Champ,
Good look.
Quick story:
A chick I was seeing and I was watching “Dreamgirls” (starring Mrs. Knowles-Carter) one night. She made some sly remark (can’t remember exactly what) that was clearly from a harsh place of disdain inside herself about Beyonce. I called her a “Beyonce hater”. Why did I do that??
She refused to watch the rest of the movie and stormed out talking about “I have no reason to hate on that bytch!!” She went into the other room to sleep that night.
@Monk,
see, ya’ll gotta watch ya mouf, son! lmao!!! not all women are able to revel in their hate like i can…poor babies!
@Monk, “She refused to watch the rest of the movie and stormed out talking about “I have no reason to hate on that bytch!!” She went into the other room to sleep that night.”
Dayum!!!
I love her and I just roll my eyes for anyone that spends too much time hating her.
It’s too much energy , especially since she don’t know you. Too many of us black women love negativity, they relish in it. We don’t just do it to Beyonce we do it to each other.
Black women have rules, don’t try to be too much or think too much of yourself. Whenever, a black woman is doing something or doing her thing. She will always always always run into one other sister in her circle or on the fringes who tries to put her down and put you in a BOX. And make a snide or slick comment about how she rolls.
When you roll to your own tune and don’t conform and you seem happy and lovin it…folks get uncomfortable.
Because if you are doing all the things that she has been trained into believing black women shouldn’t do or have…you messing up her “chi” and damn near her whole life. That person cannot justify their misery and they need that to survive.
@Dakota Brown,
imma go on record as resenting that this is being applied to “sisters” as if white women are all happy sunshine all the time….as if puerto rican women are all “good for you” and and whatnot.
ive seen white women actively try to sabotage one another, but black women are labled as haters far more often.
and i will also go ahead and resent the implication that men are impervious to such hateration….for obvious reasons.
@shatani, I concur! It’s really a women thing more than race. Working in a group of white women, I see the backstabbing all of the time. They talk so much about each other, especially if someone is doing better than them.
@Dakota Brown,
welcome and sh*t (i think)
@The Champ, “@Dakota Brown,
welcome and sh*t (i think)”
if you were a professor nobody would be able to skip yo class! somebody would sneak in and you’d be like “welcome and sh*t”.
@overit,
i’m a natural point guard and sh*t. i see the floor
I like to watch Beyonce . . . on mute . . . Some of these wh*re carols that she breaks out every now and then upset me, but I know that music is not for me so I change it if it is on the radio, or mute it so I can watch her shake her lady parts. I guess scallywags need music to pat their weave to in public. . .but put a ring on it? LoL . . . so sad. Thank God for mute!
@IVR,
teehee…scallywags. that word puts a thoroughly unsavory image in my head!
@IVR,
LMAO @ “wh*re carols”! Now that is hilarious!!
@IVR,
lmao @ that whole comment, but the “wh*re carols”? Priceless.
@IVR,
“wh*re carols ”
please send all condolence cards to Mr. &Mrs. BBMo Senior (parents) and Mr. BBMo (widower) as this right here KILLED ME!
LMMFAO
@IVR,
I guess scallywags need music to pat their weave to in public
So if you wear a weave you’re a scallywag??? WOW! I like that song, and if I’m wearing a weave at the time will pat my weave while I’m driving, singing Get me Bodied at the top of my voice (my car is like some people’s shower)… this sounds like a visceral negative reaction to Beyonce’s songs if I ever read one…
@pgh muse, “So if you wear a weave you’re a scallywag??? WOW! I like that song, and if I’m wearing a weave at the time will pat my weave while I’m driving, singing Get me Bodied at the top of my voice (my car is like some people’s shower)… this sounds like a visceral negative reaction to Beyonce’s songs if I ever read one…”
Nooo, I am saying if I see you in the club patting ur weave and posing for the camera I may call you a scallywag (not out loud, I’ll just file it away in my head for later use that evening) . . . this is all . . .
In the words of chris rock . . . you may not be a scallywag but you are in a scallwyag’s uniform! No offense to you . . . and this is strictly in the club. . . this song would not be playing in my car a long with the Jazmine Sullivan joint.
@IVR,
lol… no offense taken. really. it’s cool. i love Jazmine Sullivan’s album… my inner scallywag must be rearing her hoodtastic head.
@IVR,
In the words of chris rock . . . you may not be a scallywag but you are in a scallwyag’s uniform!
you know what, i think this was from a dave chappelle stand-up special, not chris rock
@The Champ, “you know what, i think this was from a dave chappelle stand-up special, not chris rock”
I stand corrected.
@IVR,
i dont know if it was in chappelle, but i think chris said it too…or something close to it.
As an overall entertainer, if you can’t appreciate Beyonce for the mark that she has left (and is continue to leave), you, my friend are a hater. I understand that media oversaturates the airwaves when she has a new project out, but to discredit her for that is completely insane.
I guess it comes with the territory of being the top person in your game…
@Monk,
So what Garth Brooks is a killer @ record sales and ticket sales and apparently is a c3cks machine. But I ain’t lookin for him. Now what if she was all mm mm mm over him. What do we say to that ‘there go yo boy’.
@Monk,
I understand that media oversaturates the airwaves when she has a new project out, but to discredit her for that is completely insane.
good point. you can’t be mad at someones work ethic
@Monk, I disagree.. You guys do the same thing to hip hop artist real hip hop heads hate artist many times simply because of their commercial play …..The Beyonce issue is the same as the “hip hop is dead” commercial argument in my opinion….Lil Wayne anyone?
“***btw, this statement is coming from someone who was such a nas and wu stan during the late 90’s that a fourth of his wardrode consisted of fatigues and wu-wear. point being: if i can finally admit that jigga’s the best ever, you can too. please don’t argue it anymore. you’re wasting our time***”
*in Luke Skywalker voice* No, its not true. Maybe I feel this way b/c Jay-Z let pretty boys feel they could be hard too.
@Humble_One,
I found one of my old wu-wear shirts in my closet about 2 weeks ago…lmao
@miss t-lee,
@miss t-lee,
I like Jay-Z. I have his CD’s. I prefer the 96-99 Jay-Z better than the 2K – present. I am partial to WU, Boot Camp, Mobb Deep, type music.
@Humble_One,
I feel ya… Jay definitely switched up his style after the millenium.
@Humble_One,
World Wide BCC
@Humble_One,
I am partial to WU, Boot Camp, Mobb Deep, type music.
me too. i’d say at least half of my ipod is composed of “cold weather music” (mid-atlantic hip-hop from the mid to late 90′s)
@miss t-lee,
wear that ish to work, miss t!
@shatani,
I wish I could…but I’m in straight laced financial instituition land.
They would be sending me straight back home to change…lol
@miss t-lee,
not even on casual friday or old school wednesday?
@shatani,
They don’t play round this piece mayne.
@miss t-lee,
I havent heard anyone say mayne is so long
@miss t-lee,
I say it daily…lmao!!!
@Humble_One,
***in darth vader voice***
sorry, but its true and sh*t
Why you had to throw Romo in there though?
@Eb,
where do you want me to throw him?
*chiming in between watching the “single ladies” video for the 100th time and going to class*
i’m a reformed bey hater. i was mad at the whole destiny’s child set up, but now, i can’t be mad. kelly and michelle need to step their game up and (michelle needs to) not be under matthew knowles’ management any more. beyonce has done fabulously well for herself, and as a fellow black woman i applaud her for making my friday nights and repertoire of dance moves that much more sexxy, creoletasticness and all.
@puff,
creoliciousness!
ODB is the best ever. Any statement contrary to this is considered blashphemous and thou shalt be smited by the spirit of Big Baby Jesus.
@Deviant,
Umm, no. Just no.
@Lil’T,
hater
@Deviant,
Little Baby Jesus would do Big Baby Jesus like Packy-yow did de la Hoya.
@Lil’T,
I’m glad De La Hoya took that L. I’ve despised him since they handed him the win against Sweet Pea.
@Lil’T,
Packy-yow had that pretty boy’s eye lookin’ like a hot pocket! I loved it!!!
I have so much repressed rage and aggression. Watching boxing is a good outlet for me.
@Deviant,
One of my boys couldn’t get how I liked ODB and couldn’t appreciate Master P.
@Humble_One,
Apples and Oranges. lol
@miss t-lee,
apples and cows….
@shatani,
I had cd’s from both.
Completely freaking different sides of the spectrum.
Somehow, I appreciated both, back in the day that is.
I still bump the Wu–group and solo projects, but I know for sure I haven’t listened to a No Limit song since at least ’01…lmao.
@miss t-lee,
no one has
@Deviant,
not even master p
@Deviant, hell, i’m from new orleans and that sh1t gets on my nerves. ya’ll haven’t had to suffer that crap as long as i have. lol.
@Humble_One,
apples and prunes…
the ONLY song I could listen to P in was this joint me had with 8ball and MJG on the Down South Hustlas double CD that was out before he really blew up. And I think even then it was the gin that helped.
@Deviant,
gin helps with a lot of things.
@Deviant,
I can’t stand P. I feel he created the blueprint for the current state of mainstream hip-hop. I don’t get how people could listen to him. He was so bad lyrically. I could have wrote his rhymes at 9yrs old. I wonder why he didn’t pay for a decent ghostwriter?
@Humble_One,
I don’t think we can blame all that on P. There were plenty other bad rappers, there’s enough blame to go around.
@Deviant,
I agree.
“Dog Ish” is that one song that gets me smiling. Errytime!
@miss t-lee,
I like Dog Ish too. But Stomp, Rawhide, and Don’t You Know are probably my favorites.
@Humble_One,
personally “black widow pt.2″ is my odb fav.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/media/sample.m3u/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk10_smpl?ie=UTF8&catalogItemType=track&ASIN=B000V9UK46&DownloadLocation=CD
@The Champ,
love it
and Windpipe
@Deviant,
Well I roll wit’ little brown baby Jesus…
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
que? you got one of ODB’s kids or soemthin?
@Deviant,
ehe ahahhahaa
@Deviant,
i was saying i didn’t roll with BIG baby jesus, but little baby jesus, as in Christ, lol, lawd hav mercy
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
like Ricky Bobby
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
So do I, Alise. With his cute and powerful self.
@Deviant,
Yo he even said it like a Scrooge styled ghost prolly borrowed some o Tony’s style for it Big Baby Je,eEesus
given the era and circumstances under which he was born, is it likely Jesus was a BIG baby?? i think he might have been a pre-my.
Did Vanessa Williams get the same hate from women Beyonce gets?
@Humble_One,
not that i can recall….i would venture that people consider ‘nessa a lot more classy….but im not sure.
@Humble_One,
I don’t remember people hatin’ on Nessa, either. She was all good till she showed her goodies in that magazine….
@Lil’T, but see I think that her (Nesa’s) “fall from grace” helped her be more real to the people. In a kind of the B*TCH aint better than me kind of way
@Intellectual Hedonist
IH I mentioned this upthread about Halle. When people can identify your flaws/mishaps, they tend to identify and like you more.
@Humble_One,
With Vanessa, we were so happy that one of our own won the prize for the very first time. She won a beauty pageant because she’s beautiful; no real talent required there, lol.
if i recall correctly (my hippocampus be failing on the memory) Vanessa was never that relevant or on the scene like Bey.
The more money you have, the more people know you, the more hate you face…especially if you are of the XY chromosome make up. People will always find someone to be the sacrificial golden lamb of hate, and that lamb will live on to continue it’s life ballin outta control and brushin it off the shoulders. And yeah, it is like the hate Barack faced in a way. A bunch of people throwin out criticisms and they don’t even know why they’re doing it aside from feeling threatened on some level.
@Slim Jackson,
It’s only that deep for some. I’ve seen it both ways: some people (men, too) really hatin’ on her for no dayum reason – and some people who are such stans that anyone who doesn’t worship her is automatically a “hater”.
But really – this ish is nowhere near as deep as Barack. That man was running for leader of the free world. Sangin and dancin ain’t even on the same level.
@Lil’T,
Thanks for clarifying the Barak Point. The two dont even begin to compare.
@Lil’T,
But really – this ish is nowhere near as deep as Barack. That man was running for leader of the free world. Sangin and dancin ain’t even on the same level.
although the stakes may be higher, the thinking/psychosis behind it is the same. as with obama, i’m not saying that anyone who’s turned off by bey is a delusional hater. but, as with our president elect, many of her most dogmatic detractors fabricate untruths and hyperbolize the most minute information to discredit her.
its a different body of water, sure, but it runs just as deep
@The Champ,
I don’t know about this one, Champ-o-matic. If it were on some ole, “different body of water, just as deep” type ish then Bey would have secret service guarding her lace fronts instead of some security guards.
People were hating on Barack and blowing up minor details because they were (are) literally afraid of the concept of a Black prez. As in a Black leader of the free world, which has never happened before. Those who got irrational were most likely racist, and hating and fear-mongering were their only ways to express themselves and/or convince folks not to vote for the black dude. They loathed him from the moment he came on the scene but he was no threat so they sat on it. Once his base began to build and he had a real chance they began to hate him for his popularity. But the basis was fear.
Who’s afraid of a black woman making her living singing and dancing? People may be sick of her, think she has no talent, that she’s not that cute….but even if they are irrational, there is no fear that one day she’ll be answering that 3am call.
I don’t agree that this is same concept. I do agree that irrational criticism is the most obvious sign of a hater, no matter what they’re hating on or why.
@Lil’T,
ok. i see your point. the irrationality is the same, but the basis of the irrationality isn’t.
My 2 cents:
I think that Bey is a decent singer and dancer – but her real talent is stage presence and performance. That heffa will give you a show. Live bird eating out of your hand at a concert? Balance 10 pounds of lace front while doing the “uh-oh” dance? And I know y’all saw her skate down those stairs on her face, hit the ground (again, with her face), pop up and keep dancing like it never happened. I don’t care how anybody feels about her in regards to talent or overexposure – that b*tch is a soldier.
But this is why I’m mad at her: the uh-oh. How did we go from
uuuuh-ooh-uuuuh-ooh uh-oh, uh-oh
to
uh-uh-oooh, uh-uh-ooh, oh, oh, oooohhh, uh-uh-oh
Why, B? Get somebody to write some dang lyrics already!
@Lil’T,
lyrics are overrated! lmao!
and yes, she did a nosedive and popped up like she was just tying her shoelaces….thats a tough broad!
@shatani,
thats a tough broad!
for whatever reason, this phrase made me think about hilary clinton, lol.
lmao @ “I don’t care how anybody feels about her in regards to talent or overexposure – that b*tch is a soldier.”
soldier indeed. i had a little fall in a public arena and all the dudes were calling it my “beyonce moment”. at first i was soooo embarassed that ppl kept bringing it up, but i took it as a compliment that they said i was like Bey by making the after-fall look good and keep it moving.
so sh*t, I’M a soldier!! holla!!
On a lighter note…
when I opened my gmail on this topic, one of the sponsored links is Invisiwig.com, Lace Wigs for all Women. I just thought that was kinda funny, and wanted to share it. Have a day morning everyone!!
@N.I.A. isonebadmutha…., Have a day morning everyone!!
I meant have a great day everyone!!
@N.I.A. isonebadmutha….,
thanks and sh*t, nia. you too
OK, this is random but on a $20 bill in my wallet, I found the following list:
milk
cheese
eggs
weed
crack
I mean…all nonchalant like that tho?
@overit,
BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
@overit,
that weed will eff up your short term memory like whoa and you dont wanna forget yo crack!! you ever come home to a crackhead with no crack….bout to get yo eyes scratched out!
@overit,
thats important stuff. you have to start the day off right
@overit,
Well, who ever said that a crackhead couldn’t be organized?? LOL!!
@overit,
see, thats what happens when you roll with stick-up boys, overit. i thought you were done with runnin the streets and sh*t
@The Champ, man i told pee-wee and nem not to give me their stank arse bills. i’m quittin them tho.
@overit,
that made me choke
e-twin, i’m SMH at you for not only taking the time to analyze this list, but for posting it on VSB. go learn a Bey dance or just SAT DOWN. please. and thank you.
i hate beyonce because i disagree with the view of relationships that she expresses in song. plus she over sings. and she does things like record perfectly mediocre remakes of perfectly good songs. i am so ’bout ready to cut her and then snatch her weave out because of “at last.”
now i respect her performing skills when she sticks to the hip-hop-and-pop end of R&B. and yeah, i agree with ‘ye that on stage, she’s our genration’s answer to tina turner.
but the chile is an idiot with pedestrian gender politics who thinks she’s deeper and smarter than she actually is.
@tiffany,
But Bey is mediocre why do you all think that there were so many different destiny children. They began to out shine Bey and hur Daddy wasn’t gonna stand for that.
@WuDaMan,
Exactly.
I also thought LeToya and Kelly were much better singers.
@miss t-lee,
oh yeah…and i still do! and i always thought they were prettier too…when i was a kid and they was first comin out i could not see the big fuss over bey when letoya and kelly were clearly more gorgeouser…
@shatani,
I have LeToya’s album. The whole thing is wonderful.
That album should not have been slept on.
@8th Wonder,
This right chere is why you’re my girl.
*daps*
@miss t-lee,
I don’t know about LeToya, , but I don’t think Kelly can sign like that. I wanted to love her… and think that she was somehow not getting the same chance that Beyonce got, but really, aside from Kelly being beautiful (cause she really is), she can’t sing like Bey. Really. She has a pretty voice, but not a strong voice. I’ve seen her sing live like 3 times and unless each time was just a really bad day for her – she didn’t bring it like I wanted her to.
@tiffany, At Last was not necessary.
@overit,
Soooooo not necessary. I was so upset with that
@overit,
Not necessary? It was a crime, I tell ya. She needs to be sentenced to wearing her wig from the movie for the next year for that mess.
@overit, I couldn’t believe that a lot of people are saying that Beyonce’s version is better than Etta James. It wasn’t even close….
@Leila,
Really? People said that?
I hope they were 12 and had never heard the original.
That just hurt my heart.
@Leila,
those people need to be slapped with a dead fish…christina aguilera’s version is way better than bey’s and even hers aint better than etta james!
@shatani, you know I didn’t want to say that Aguilera’s version was good, but I have to agree, though CA didn’t come close to Etta’s.
@Leila, who are these people. WHO? cause they need people and then they need to be put in a cave with flesh eating beatles
@Leila,
whoever said that needs to be horsewhipped….
@tiffany,
but the chile is an idiot with pedestrian gender politics who thinks she’s deeper and smarter than she actually is.
tiffany, you’ve been here long enough so that you shouldnt feel like you hafta hold your tongue. next time you comment, don’t be so passive. tell us how you really feel and sh*t
i appreciate your comment. i actually feel your hate towards Bey is warranted and well supported. and not catty like. good job!
Anybody got a snickerdoodle, sugar cookie, blueberry muffin or waffle or something. And a peperoccini A bro is hungray.
an apple tartlet?
sweet potato pie
a slice o German apple walnut cake
slice o apple cake
scrawburry cake
some lornedunes
caramel covered buttery pound cake
some cheese, caramel, and butter popcorn (nuts on clark much)
holiday salad
broccoli casserole
hey The Champ R U going to check ou the WuTang concert 4 Christmas? My dammie is tryin to get me to go w/ him so he can get away from his wife for a lil bit. You think it’ll be worth the travel n ticket?
@WuDaMan,
i got some chocolate chip cookies i baked…all soft and junk! breakfast of champions!
@WuDaMan,
peperoccini? you doin’ too much, bruh. too much.
Take this boiled hot dog on white bread with mustard and go sat down. Oh, and here’s a donut for your sweet tooth.
@Lil’T,
I’d step over a marshmallow for that meal right now! I’m hungry too!
@Lil’T,
actually I’d like a boiled egg w/ either some corned beef hash or fried scrapple w/ hot sauce.
@WuDaMan,
I e-love you even more for knowing what scrapple is.
@PBG,
I just googled scrapple and I think I won’t be eating lunch today.
GoodGawdallmighty!
@miss t-lee;
Aww…you shouldn’t have looked it up! lol Scrapple (esp. when its fried extra hard) is the isht. Can’t enjoy my scrambled cheese eggs w/o a side of scrapple.
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
I guess it’s one of those foods, it’s better not to know what’s in it huh?
Kinda like Mexican chorizo. lol
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
ewww.
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
im not from round these parts, but philly folk and some jersey folk LOVE they scrapple!
imma just stick wit the bacon, myself though…
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
Scrapple is like hog head cheese or something… just plain old ewwww… I’m not hating… i’ve just never experienced it in an appetizing setting.
Hoghead cheese…lmao!!!
My Dad loves this ish, I used to get nauseous when he would cut that ish up and make a sandwich.
@ Miss t-lee,
Hoghead cheese
Girl. Just some hurl inducing ish… really. now i fux with bacon. I was raised in a no-pork eating household and would sneak bacon when i could… but there are some swine delicacies that i just cain’t relate to. scrapple, hog head cheese, chitlins, hog maws, ummm… chitlins, chitlins again, brunswager, chitlins… barf.
@PBG,
awwe gimmie a little sugar. I e-loves you too Pretty Baby Girl.
@WuDaMan,
Now you’re back on my level. But dang, bamma – why you got me at my desk hungy and sh*t? I’m bout to hit up my “secret stash” in the bottom left drawer…
@WuDaMan,
Scrapple???!?!?!?!?!?
I thought you were a fellow epicurian!
BLASPHEMY!
@blackberry molasses,
Now BBMo don’t be like that. I am epicurean. After all; potato chips used to be royalty faire, and pâté ain’t nothing but some head cheese, and scrapple is like stretched brunswacker.
Watch out now cuz when I whip out the stilton or the duck & andoui gumbo you gonna have to go get a pbj sammich.
@WuDaMan,
I can appreciate good duck frites with blood orange remoulade.
I don’t eat pate because I morally disagree with how it is produced (same goes for veal).
But scrapple?!? The fact that you gotta cook it till its damn near burnt means its really not that good.
Don’t test my palate son… I go hard in the paint (thanks t-lee) for fine faire.
@blackberry molasses,
aight you don’t have to drn neer burn it to make it taste good just come to the 15th floor of my building cuz they usually have it up there for breakfast in the cafeteria.
What do you have against savory jello? Do you not eat sweet jello for the same reasons? I hope you are confusing pâté with foir gras. Cuz I don’t see nothing wrong w/ it.
@blackberry molasses,
“Don’t test my palate son… I go hard in the paint (thanks t-lee) for fine faire.”
I’m laughing at you pickin’ up my Texas slang…lmao
Love it mayne!
@blackberry molasses,
I don’t dine on the swine, so jell-o is out of the question. And I did mince foie gras with pate. Still think its overrated.
My bad. Didn’t sleep enough last night *wink*
@blackberry molasses,
aight that may get you a stilton snack and a cup o duck gumbo. N by all means keep hubby happy. I wish I understood better but w/ my own wife. Ya dig.
@WuDaMan,
hey The Champ R U going to check ou the WuTang concert 4 Christmas?
where is it? (and by “where is it” i mean “how close is it to the cave”)
@The Champ,
I have been to two Wu shows in my lifetime, and I must say more Wu members showed up to the Ghostface show and a Method Man show than to a Wu show, they anger me with their attendance and sh*t…
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
I’ve seen Ghost 3 times, GZA once, RZA once.
I had tickets to see them as group back in ’96 and them kats didn’t even show up.
I saw Ghost at school once…that fool was 3 hours late, but it was worth it.
@Relax, Relate, Alise,
im just sadly reminiscing about the time i didnt get to meet the wu (meth, in particular) at the virgin music festival in b-more last year….le sigh
@The Champ, I met them (WU) when I was a college radio DJ, before they hit it big and before I really knew who they were… They were funny as ish…oh and they ain’t nothin to fug with
@The Champ,
It must be neer the cave cuz that is where he is. I’m weighing my options. I mean I could cold catch em in Atlantic city @ the house of blues, but what fun is that w/o my peeps ya dig? & @ the same time I saw all of em save Bobby Digital and Dirt Dog this summer in Murriland.
@The Champ,
Champ… ur slippin’. Mr. Smalls on December 26th. I’m really thinking about going.
@pgh muse,
mr. smalls? wheres that?
@The Champ,
millvale
um….how come all the google ads on here are about black men and white women gettin together??
is bey the first and only mixed chick born to two black parents??
@shatani,
I noticed that, too. Go on and get yer swirl on…
@shatani,
Yes she is, Shatani. One of her many accomplishments.
@shatani,
HA!
You know we just had this discussion over at the Shiznit last week. We have come to the conclusion that all this time we thought we hated Beyonce when in reality, it was her biggest fan Kelly Rowland that we didn’t like. Kelly constantly swinging from Beyonce’s “Fictitiously Speaking” balls, is what caused us to dislike Bey. So now we have decided that we like her. We have gone to her shows, own all her CD’s ( sure the last two took a minute to grow on us), but we have now moved our energy into beheading Kelly Rowland. She is the talentless, no man having, reindeer, with no life outside of the Knowles universe.
@Mme. Editor-in-Chief,
so basically, kelly rowland is the black female trojan horse?
It’s about time you Nassir folks admit Jay Z is the best!
I love Beyonce, although Cadillac Records is the first I’ve seen her act in… she did a good job.
@Nicki Sunshine
You saw Cadillac Ranch? So you’re saying it’s worth it to go see?
@V Renee, Cadillac Records was good! I was pleasantly surprised. Bey is only in the second half, so the coast is clear for the folks that can’t tolerate her. Columbus Short was GREAT as Little Walter.
@V Renee, I saw it and LOVED it… I reviewed it today on my site… so check it out.
@Nicki Sunshine
I will tonight. Work doesn’t let me get on wordpress.
@Nicki Sunshine,
If you say so.
@Humble_One, Oh Humble… what would I do without your doubts?? LMAO..
Go see it…. The story is very interesting.
I wasn’t aware that so many women were Beyonce haters. She’s cool in my book, and most of my friends like her too.
She has a beautiful voice and is incredibly entertaining in concert. She’s not bad as an actress either. She’s managed to keep the tabloids out of her business for the most part. She’s also managed to convince a lot of people that she’s still in her twenties. Some people don’t like her music, but those people probably aren’t apart of the demographic she’s trying to reach anyway. She’s not getting light-skinned points; she’s just an attractive woman (and this is coming from a dark-skinned chick who can’t stand when women get light-skinned points). If men went on and on about her beauty and she looked like Solange (who looks like the offspring of Go-Go from Kill Bill Vol. I and Orlando Jones) then I’d say she was getting light-skinned points. Sure she comes across as having no personality, but that’s based on how she interviews. I’m sure she’s different amongst friends and family.
Overall I see her as an ambitious woman who works hard for what she wants. I just wonder how she gets any sleep.
@Voiceofreason,
“Some people don’t like her music, but those people probably aren’t apart of the demographic she’s trying to reach anyway.”
This is a very important point.
I think this is why I totally HATE her latest project and only “liked” B’Day and DIL (which is saying a lot, given my extreme nature). I was really feeling the DC stuff, but I was also a much younger chick @ the time. I got the B’Day DVD w/a gift card and I know I’ve watched it about 3 times, while my teenage daughter watches it whenever she gets a chance. Demographics and target audiences play a huge role in her overall appeal.
@Voiceofreason, thank you! i thought i was the only one who saw an uncanny resemblence to go go in solange.
i was feelin all of this comment but this:
“She’s not bad as an actress either.”
granted, i haven’t seen her latest project in Cadillac Records, but the chick has no quality acting skills. her best role was in Dreamgirls becuz she had few lines and she just had to be a pretty doll/puppet.
Around the time that Destiny’s Child first broke up, I was a hater and let the news/gossip mill persuade me to dislike Beyonce (despite the fact that I had EVERY DC CD). Even when Dangerously in Love came out, I tried to act like I was indifferent to her, despite the fact that Baby Boy was my ring tone for at least 8-9 months. It wasn’t until I found myself driving down I-71 with tears streaming down my face, bumping Me Myself and I, that I released the inner hate and gave the girl her props as a Diva.
With that, I said I will no longer hate on this chick. She is fly as hell (not HOD), she works her azz off and I will respect that. People can say she’s not that talented, and that’s their right, but what you can’t say is that the girl does not work her arse off. I respect hard work. I don’t care if she shakes her arse for hours on stage, because when you think about it, that shyt still took HOURS and HOURS of hard work to learn. Not to mention touring and all that comes along with that. She will get nothing less but respect from me. That goes for anybody out here working their arse and making big moves. I love to see that shyt!!
Exiting the room and singing to myself –
♫♪Ego so big
You must admit
I got every reason to feel like Im that bitch
♫♪
@V Renee,
It wasn’t until I found myself driving down I-71 with tears streaming down my face, bumping Me Myself and I, that I released the inner hate and gave the girl her props as a Diva.
this sounds like a scene from the BET films remake of “thelma and louise”
@V Renee,
To be honest that’s the way I got around to be minus the crying and all. I just listen to her with an unbias ear and had to give her props. She’s talented.
But she needs some acting classes. That girl can’t act.
omg, V, i had a similar revelation to Bey!! i hated big time after the break up. i was so threw with her…. until my bff put me on to DIL. then i loosened up to her more. and by the time i had my live B’Day experience i was like, yeah, this chick is BAD.
and truth be told, errrybody is just “booty shaking” on stage compared to Tina Turner. you wanna talk about a bad b*tch!!! woman is damn near 70 puttin it 3hrs of straight cardio in some damn stilettos.
I just had this convo with a friend yesterday and we couldn’t understand why the Bey hate was so strong.
Really, I can’t find a thing to hate about the woman.
I’m in awe of her talent and beauty and drive.
Bey and I should be friends, I shouldn’t be sitting on my Ikea sofa talkin about she can’t sing.
@LisaAngelaPamelaRenee,
I just had this convo with a friend yesterday and we couldn’t understand why the Bey hate was so strong.
what brought on the convo?
This is in response to a comment made by Gem somewhere above ( am too lazy to try and find it again).
Yes men do hate JUST as much as women but DO it in a different manor. They say things like “he’s gay!”
@Ivy St.,
thats not hate, he is gay
@Deviant,
boooo! Men hate plenty… If you’re a woman, sitting next to a man who’s interested in you and and tell him how attractive Boris Kodjoe is he’s gonna hate. Period. It’ s human.
@pgh muse,
again thats not hate. Why would any dude want to hear about how attractive some other bush baby is? If I was involved in that convo I might start making fun of you just for fun. Man Law states you are never to say something positve about other douchebag’s appearance outside of “you dont look homeless” but its ok to sh!t on that douche’s appearance.
@Deviant,
Exactly… same reason why a woman may hate on Beyonce. why would she want to hear about how talented Beyonce is or how phat her azz is… same reaction, same reasoning. it’ just human.
@pgh muse,
I may be wired diffrent but I don’t talk about my desire to squirt my children on some girls face (thats the only time I would discuss Beyonce..I dont get into R&B like that) while I’m with a girl that I wish to disrobe.
@Deviant,
that’s good, that gives you a much better chance at disrobing her if you don’t comment on other chicks while you’re tryna get in her pants. lol.
I smell a future post in this quote: “but the typical man already feels that most women are a little boring and a bit vapid anyway, so its really no big deal. its expected and sh*t”
@Scipio Africanus,
it was, lol. see “the v test”
http://www.verysmartbrothas.com/the-v-test/
I think the hate started when destiny’s child first came out. Being that she was the lightest in the group and the lead singer that fueled the fire. The break up didnt help either.
@Humble_One,
Being that she was the lightest in the group and the lead singer that fueled the fire.
interesting point and sh*t
@Humble_One,
“I think the hate started when destiny’s child first came out. Being that she was the lightest in the group and the lead singer that fueled the fire.”
I don’t know about that one, Humble. When DC first came out me and my girls LOVED them. We never really paid much attention to her being the light one on the mic, it just never really came into play. *shrugs*
But I do concur that the breakup, and how she basically initiated it, started a general dislike toward her.
Off Subject
I just found a very informative aritcle I had to share
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/91088
@Deviant,
That is hilarious. So the WU is up there with the Ashanti and Ming dynasties.
@Humble_One,
they are indeed nothing to phuc with
@Deviant,
this made my day and sh*t
@Deviant,
Great Shyt Devs
@WuDaMan,
I do what I can to bring wisdom
Ehh. I’m not the biggest Beyonce fan but I wont hate on her talent. I’d rather see/hear her shaking on stage and killing a song than dam* brittney spears. And she does have a few songs I actually do love.
Like many people said upthread, chicky is just over exposed. Digital TV commersials, Amex adds, Mag covers, movies, cd’s and a clothing line? I personally think its too much but at least she’s making that paper.
I think my only real problem with her is she seems to be the epitome of every mans fantasy woman and reinforces the sad stereotype that even the “baddest b*tch” in the game will still walk behind her man, and stay cute and quiet. I’d like to see her develop a personality and a backbone, and then put it to good use.
@Dom,
I think my only real problem with her is she seems to be the epitome of every mans fantasy woman and reinforces the sad stereotype that even the “baddest b*tch” in the game will still walk behind her man, and stay cute and quiet
so again, its about the idea of her, instead of her personally?
@The Champ,
Pretty much. I dont know her personally so I think we all are forming our opinions based on what WE think she stands for or represents.
The fact that a top rated entertainer will still “Cater to You” and doesn’t mind walking ten steps behind her man is crazy to me. I need her to come harder than that.
@Dom,
No one knows what her private life is like, so no one can confirm whether or not she really walks 10 steps behind her man. And even if she does, it’s her choice. Beyonce does so much in her professional career, it’s possible that when in private she’d rather relax and let her husband take the wheel.
And as far as “Cater to You,” it’s possible that this song was released to round out her image. She has a lot of negative songs about men, so having “Cater to You” on the books refutes any argument that she’s a man basher. Not to mention if you have a good man/woman in your life, what’s wrong with catering to him/her once in a while? She said, “Let me cater to you…this is your DAY.”
@Voiceofreason,
As an admitted tabloid-aholic, I can attest to seeing Bey walk behind Jay on many of their outtings thanks to paparazzi photos. For years and even after their marriage.
Dont know how she is in their private time, but the public subservience irks me to no end.
@Dom,
Hmmmm… Is it subservience or is it a man protecting his woman? Beyonce is Jay-Z’s wife. They are in the public eye and have very high profile careers, maybe as a husband he feels protective and wants to sheild her a little. It’s just an opinion cuz maybe her walking behind him could just mean that she walks slow and got her coat second or something that we can’t even really conjecture.
@pgh muse,
She walks slow every time they’re together? And she gets her coat second everytime? Nah, not buying it.
If he wanted to protect his WIFE she’d be walking right there next to him not ten steps behind.
@ Dom,
Eh… I don’t know. Beyonce doesn’t strike me as a subservient / submissive type of woman. She’s doing her thang in so many aspects of her life that if that’s their relationship dynamic, maybe that’s just how they get down between the two of them… idk. i’ve never personally read anything much into their relationship cause they keep so much private which does make me think that they really have a genuine bond… so if she lets him lead in some things what’s wrong with that?
@Dom,
Um so would you rather her lead Hov with a leash in her hand?
Not to be snarky but i’m not understanding what you’re looking for really.
@Dorian G.,
Why cant they walk BESIDE eachother? That seems to be the common way to walk with your significant other…
@Dorian G.,
You walk through doors besides your SO? Wow both of y’all must be skinny
@Dom
“If he wanted to protect his WIFE she’d be walking right there next to him not ten steps behind.”
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Cause like what if a car jumped the curb 10 steps behind Jay where his wife was walkin and hit her? He wouldn’t be much protection there, would he, lol.
Now if he’s walking BESIDE her on the street, (he’s supposed to be on the outside nearest the curb) he’d be the first to take the hit, thereby protecting his wife from injury.
Now if he’s walking BESIDE her on the street, (he’s supposed to be on the outside nearest the curb) he’d be the first to take the hit, thereby protecting his wife from injury.
lol…i really dont think a 200 pound man is gonna be much of a shield from a 2000 pound car.
granted, i do the whole “walk on the outside closest to the curb” thing when i’m with a woman, but its to protect her from squrriels and sh*t, not saturns
“but its to protect her from squrriels and sh*t, not saturns”
I laughed. Loudly.
so did i 8th, so did i…smh
I was always under the impression that B walked behind Jay and vice versa, because they simply didnt want to be photographed together to benefit the paparazzi.
I have seen pics of them walking side by side plenty of times.
Sometimes a picture isn’t worth a thousand words.
@8th Wonder,
Sometimes a picture isn’t worth a thousand words
This is the best point made about the whole scenario.
“The fact that a top rated entertainer will still “Cater to You” and doesn’t mind walking ten steps behind her man is crazy to me. I need her to come harder than that.”
dayyyyyyum. a chick can’t cater to her man every now and then without seeming weak??
this seems so unfortunate to me. women aren’t allowed to play submissive roles to their husbands, not even for one day or in one song. personally, i don’t want to be in a relationship where 1 person is the submissive all the time. why can’t we submit to each other, at the same time, one at a time, every other time. why can’t we both cater to each other, at random, him on Tuesday, me on Friday?? why does it have to be all or none??
if the chick wants to walk 10steps behind her man, so what?? does that MEAN something?? does that have ANYTHING to do with her ability to make millions off her name/face?? i think whether or not she’s “submissive” is irrelevant. if that’s her choice, who are we to judge? or even care?
@Gem of the Ocean,
If you read the above post you’ll see I gave Bey her props for being able to make them dollars. I think she’s a bit overexposed but eh, if she can get it from somewhere more power to her cuz she sho aint getting mine. I can respect the hustle on the entertainment front.
But the fact that she’s submissive is very relevant to me, if simply for the fact that her marriage to Jay-Z is touted by the media as ideal. Same way we look at Barak and Michelle, we’re looking at Jay and Bey. The fact that she stays ten steps behind is some ol’ concubine submissive BS and I really hate that image being promoted to women and men in our age group as ideal. Quite frankly I think its dangerous to the strides women have made as whole, and its disrespectful to the fact that Bey is a force in her own right. She needs to step up to the plate and own that and maybe set an example for young women in the process.
And on the whole judgement tip I’ll simply stay this: we judge people and their actions every single day. If we didnt we wouldnt survive. You decided my comment was worthy of a response and your judgement told you to comment didnt it?
I get tired of hearing abut this “hate” for Bey. I know some people are irrational with their disdain for the girl, but it also seems like everytime someone says something bad about the chick, we’re “hating”. I actually like the girl. She can sing (though her voice can get irritating) and she is a great performer, but some stans treat her like the next coming and she can do no wrong. It’s crazy. I was telling my cousin about her lastest album and her acting sucking, but later on I played her song Radio and she’s like “I thought you don’t like Beyonce?” <—–That is exactly what I’m talking about right there.
I also think the hype around her has made people not lik her, too. She could stand to drop from the scene for a minute. Maybe those that “hate” her could learn to appreciate her if she wasn’t around 24/7.
@ChiChi,
“I also think the hype around her has made people not lik her, too. She could stand to drop from the scene for a minute.”
*applause*
@RedBeanzNRice,
Make somebody miss you! Then mofos will really be wanting to hear/see your ass.
1) I am a beyhater,an I admit it. but for the following reasons:
–Why is your “alter ego” more interesting then your actual personality.like,wtf.
–On a endless loop all her songs sound the same.but yet she is making millions of dollars for this bullshittedness.
–She waited till after she married Jay to put out single ladies.and single ladies sounds like get me bodied.extended.
–She gave one of her fans,who was battling MS….wait for it……HOUSE OF FREAKIN DEREON clothes!..after this girl professed her undying love for Beyonce.
but, I do like Hollywood-by Jay and Bey.
@Limeade,
She waited till after she married Jay to put out single ladies
That was hypocritical as all hell, wasn’t it?
how is it hypocritical?? just becuz she’s singing about it doesn’t mean that reflects her in the here and now.
besides, most “artists” put out songs that somewhat mirror reality, be it theirs or others.
@Limeade,
welcome and sh*t, hater
@The Champ,
thanks.n sh!t….
1st, i LOVE limeade so great name!
2nd, lmao @ Why is your “alter ego” more interesting then your actual personality.like,wtf. good observation!
1) I am a beyhater,an I admit it. but for the following reasons:
–Why is your “alter ego” more interesting then your actual personality.like,wtf.
–On a endless loop all her songs sound the same.but yet she is making millions of dollars for this bullsh!ttedness.
–She waited till after she married Jay to put out single ladies.and single ladies sounds like get me bodied.extended.
–She gave one of her fans,who was battling MS….wait for it……HOUSE OF FREAKIN DEREON clothes!..after this girl professed her undying love for Beyonce.
but, I do like Hollywood-by Jay and Bey.
@Limeade,
“–She gave one of her fans,who was battling MS….wait for it……HOUSE OF FREAKIN DEREON clothes!..after this girl professed her undying love for Beyonce.”
Wow. That’s coldblooded as hell. Homeless shelters won’t even accept HOD as donations – but she actually gave that mess as a gift to a dying fan? Trifling.
1) I am a beyhater,an I admit it. but for the following reasons:
–Why is your “alter ego” more interesting then your actual personality.like,w.t.f.
–On a endless loop all her songs sound the same.but yet she is making millions of dollars for this bullsh!..edness.
–She waited till after she married Jay to put out single ladies.and single ladies sounds like get me bodied.extended.
–She gave one of her fans,who was battling MS….wait for it……HOUSE OF FREAKIN DEREON clothes!..after this girl professed her undying love for Beyonce.
but, I do like Hollywood-by Jay and Bey.
@Limeade,
“–Why is your “alter ego” more interesting then your actual personality.like,w.t.f.”
I almost had black beans on my desk…CTFU!!!!
ummmm… I like Bey. That girl works…
I am Sasha Fierce sucks. But she gets a pass for that. All artists put out some garbango sometime (808′s and Heartbreaks anyone??).
@pgh muse,
808′s & heartbreak was bottom-of-the-garbage can-juice.
@SouthernCharm,
Complete with the maggots right?
lol
@miss t-lee,
and a hobo. lol
@SouthernCharm,
Heyyy boooooo.
@SouthernCharm,
bottom-of-the-garbage can-juice
this is funny to think about…
@pgh muse,
Hey! I like 808′s & HeartBreak!
@Ms. Sula,
I’m sorry. So far, I think it’s crappola. I’ve only listened once. If Kanye could actually carry a tune, i may like it better. But he can’t. I appreciate his creativity. I do… and his branching out. But suck is suck… and right now that album and Sasha Fierce are holding hands in the suck line
@pgh muse,
But suck is suck… and right now that album and Sasha Fierce are holding hands in the suck line
lol…although i enjoy “808′s…”, i do appreciate some of the snark his album has produced. i read a review on slate.com that was as close to a written shanking someone could receive
@The Champ,
I’m going to read that.
@The Champ,
i enjoy 808s…but only studio! i saw him perform that ish on Conan and i wanted to jam an ice pick into my temple and make the pain go away.
heartless is my favorite and he murdered it…and not in the good way.
@The Champ,
just read that review… brutal!
@The Champ,
this was loverly verbal evisceration
*borrows 5 gold stars from SouthernGirl*
Five stars and Diva Dust ™ for Jonah
Oh! Jay-Z is not and will never be the greatest rapper of all times… How can you even say that Champ?? How? He’s cool. I mean if we have to rate them he’s in the top 20, but #1?!?!?! Really? I don’t think so. and i am a Jay-Z fan.
@pgh muse,
if you were to rate mc’s in maybe 10 different categories (wordplay, critical acclaim, longevity, impact, resonance, relevance, song-making, etc, etc) on a scale of 1-10, jay-z would get 7′s, 8′s, and 9′s in every category. no, he wouldnt get 10′s across the board, but no 5′s or 6′s either. no other rapper can make that claim.
now, jay-z isn’t my fav (that goes to ghostface) and, as far as wordplay goes, i think nas is second to none. thing is, all-around, jay-z is the greatest. honestly, i really don’t think its even an argument anymore.
@The Champ,
If we take out every rating that has anything to do with money as a criteria ie: Longevitiy (money), relevance (marketing and promotion (money), Critical acclaim (who sold the most records (money)), than Jay-Z would still only be in the top 20 of rappers. According to this rating system LL Cool J is maybe #2 – and I think he’s in the top 20 as well, but not #1 or #2. The dude is talented, yes… but there are lots of other rappers that are equally as talented but aren’t heralded because of a lack of resources and lack of exposure. Jay-z is great but not nearly the greatest.
@pgh muse,
thing is, i believe that an artists longevity and relevance is in direct correlation to their talent. all the promotion/money in the world isn’t gonna keep someone at the top without something behind it.
also, when i speak of critical acclaim, i’m talking about how the majority of his albums have been well-received from all walks of hip-hop…backpackers, critics, whoever. this is a fact that can’t be argued.
talent (or lack thereof), though, can be argued, and if you feel like *insert name of random obscure underground rapper* is more talented than jay-z, fine, thats your opinion.
i’m of a belief, though, thats theres no accidents. to mix a cliche, the cream of the crop rises to the top because, well, thats what the cream of the crop does.
@The Champ,
like really, according to your flawed rating system, Beyonce could be considered the best singer ever or something, or Mariah Carey, cause they could get 7′s or 8′s in those categories, but pioneers don’t get the love they’re due cause of our skewed values. There’s no way anyone here would say that Beyonce is a better singer than Patti… and Patti hasn’t had a “hit” record in years…If we’re saying the best I think it should just be bare bones… talent, skill, product.
@pgh muse,
when i speak of longevity and relevance, i’m speaking specifically of someones “prime”, and how long they were able to stay in their prime. for instance, rakim, for as great as he was at the time, was basically only able to stay relevant for five years (1987-1992). his resume just isn’t deep enough. lets say that jay-z has fallen off in the last couple years. still, this is a guy who was at the top of the game for 10 years (1995-2005), and you can’t minimize that.
also, getting back to r&b, we tend to forget that women like patti labelle and diana ross were considered to be pop singers doing their day, basically the beyonces and keyshia coles of their time, and people back then would scoff when anyone had the audacity to compare them to anyone from the 30′s, 40′s, or 50′s.
point being, some of us tend to look at the past with these rose-tinted goggles, making us think that a person doing their thing in the 90′s or 2000′s can’t possibly ever hope to compare with someone from the 60′s or 70′s. we don’t give ourselves enough credit. i mean seriously, this may seem blasphemous to many, but whats wrong with including a mariah carey in that “greatest of all-time” category? why wouldnt she be able to qualify?
@The Champ,
I think that Mariah is among the greatest. Like Jay-Z she has incredible talent, skill, product, and mass appeal. But I wouldn’t call her THE greatest. There are too many other singers to consider to name just one. And in the rap game I would definitely quantify Jigga as among the Greats, LL Cool J too. But I wouldn’t say that he’s the greatest. In my opinion he’s just NOT. There are many other’s that share his charisma and skill at word play, but aren’t on the radar like he is.
Ok, I know I’m waaayyyy off topic, but:
Did anyone see Kisha C singing the anthem at the fight? Who committed such a heinous crime against this poor girl? Did Neffe do it? Her mama? Dayum! She looked like the unholy offspring of Dianne Carol, a 1977 hooker and a disco ball. *shivers*
@Lil’T,
I saw photos SMH. Somebody did have my girl Keish looking a mess. Ugh, and that wig!!!!!
*Disclaimer: Before you call me a hater I LOVE Keisha Cole. Been a fan since she first came out despite the rainbow asymetric weave. But she did look awful last night.*
@Dom,
Girl, everything ain’t hating – it’s just REALITY.
That girl got set up. Now, I’m not a big K fan, but I do enjoy her reality show (can’t wait to see what crackmom will do next). But even though I’m not really a fan of her music, I don’t think she deserved to be set-up like that. I mean – dayum!
@Lil’T,
That wig looked like a woodland creature upon her head and her voice sounds like she just got some horrible news from the medical examiner’s office. All bad.
lmao i was at a bar with some friends to watch the fight. it was standing room only and we were–what–standing. and irritated. but the bar and our random chatter got quiet when Keyshia started singing. everybody’s response was “what’s that on her head”. omg what a HAM!! i love her, but not her fashion statements.
@Lil’T,
I blame her frenemies.
ummm… i like beyonce. she might need a little more coaching in being interviewed, but she puts on a hell of a show. seriously. i saw her in concert last september and i left swearing up and down my calling was to be one of her backup dancers. it was that serious. ***throwing degree out of the window***
i dont know why she isn’t liked. say what you want, but on top of her talent (singing, i didn’t say acting), the girl is very pretty.
@laylah,
you can dance with a degree and sh*t
@The Champ,
Dam* straight! I dance with my degree all the time. Just because I can.
@Dom,
*two-steps in… paper in hand*
I was a reformed Bey-Hater. Let me explain.
Initially with all the Destiny’s Child Drama which is really some ole Supreme’s Diana Ross drama circa 1993, but anyway. I really didn’t care for her. I wouldn’t say hate just indifferent.
Last summer my cousin and I took my 15 year old niece to see B in concert. She knocked my socks off, that girl can perform. For real, she put on a hell of a show and SANG unending riffs and all for 2 hours. 2 HOURS, who does that? So I walked out of there a reformed hater.
Then I received an email with a link to a Dereon advertisement. It was an advertisement for the launch of a children’s line of clothes from dereon. Each of these children were glammed up to look like adults in their dereon jeans and heels. A pedophile’s dream. I then decided that I could no longer financially support her. I know she has say in how she is marketed and branded. What she approved by approving that advertisement went against every moral fiber of my being (not much I know but they are in there) .
@Intellectual Hedonist,
Yes! Had them little girls in stripper heels and makeup! I was beyond distrubed after I saw those adds. Her grandmama prolly rolled over twice in her grave seeing that photo shoot!
@Intellectual Hedonist,
I too was disturbed by the ads. A lot of people said it was no big deal. It was trying to make it look like the little girls playing dress up and having tea parties in mom’s clothes. But the catch is that this ploy was used to market the CHILDREN’S line.
**sidenote: I went Christmas shopping for my god daughter (she’s 4) this week and saw mini skirts, off the shoulder sweatshirts and THONG underwear in the children’s section. WTF! Where is Osh Kosh B’Gosh?**
@blackberry molasses,
“THONG underwear in the children’s section”
NOOOOO. are you serious?
@laylah,
because Keily don’t want no panty line in her Dora the Exlporer jeans….
I thought I was seeing things.. except that my hubby made the screwface and said “the H3LL?!?!”
@blackberry molasses, *sigh* i mighta dropped dead on sight of those things. when i used to work at vicki’s it kilt me to see these lil junior hight girls coming in to buy thongs? toddlers? *jesus be a parent with some d@mn sense*
@blackberry molasses,
You know Abercrombie and Fitch was doin that mess too. They had the thong underwear for toddlers wit messages that say “Wink, wink” and “Eye Candy”. (and they flat out refused to remove the product after controversy) Why? Just why? Especially in this age of open pedophilia. SMH.
@RedBeanzNRice,
OMG… this should have been on CNN… this is detestable.
@pgh muse,
it was…in the Money section *smh*
http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/22/news/companies/abercrombie/
@blackberry molasses,
Thanks for posting the link, but damn. How sad is it that it’s listed in the money section? I guess it’s fitting since that’s what A&F are after – MONEY over values and morals.
*sighs*
The end of this world is overdue.
If we tally the responses, the total of Bey haters and Bey stans does not even approximate 5% of the VSS population.
So where does that leave this (rather uncreative) theory?
@Ms. Sula,
uncreative??? i spent like 15 whole minutes last night thinking this up before i wrote about it.
15 whole minutes!!!!!
I def don’t hate Beyonce but i guess you wouldn’t call me a fan either. I like her music and i do think that she’s a great performer, but on the other hand she really irritates me. 1st she’s just dumb, like she’s a good business women or whatever (or better yet has a good managing/pr team) but she has no common sense–and i almost rather shoot myself in the face rather than listen to her speak–all that money and she cant get some speech lessons. 2ndly, she’s a hypocrite. she’s always talking “all this i’m so blessed, I love God so much, blah,blah,blah” mumbo jumbo and even did that nasty girl song, but this heffa be shakin and droppin it like its hot with no clothes on and all that other nonsense. I’m gonna need her to not talk about God when she’s dressed like a stripper (and just bc ur mama said its ok/not ho ish to hang upside down on a pole doesn’t make it true. 3rdly and most importantly, i dont think she’s genuine, she makes it seem like shes just a simple, sweet, shy, southern girl when in reality she’d throw u under the bus just to get hers (i.e. all former and most recent members of dc). and besides that, her whole public persona is like a facade- she’s beautiful woman but i am too through with those tired straw looking wigs and contacts and highlighter to make her look more fair and all that (bc to me she’s really more brown skinned than light skinned anyway and its just as beautiful). but anyway i digress, this is far too long let it suffice to say i appreciate her as an entertainer but that’s where i draw the line.
@PrincesMo,
Now see, I can appreciate your post. I mean, you’re just callin it like you see it right? Nothin wrong wit that.
But, to a fan of hers, you would undoubtedly be called a hater. Because of that, I really think the fans are what cause people to hate Beyonce, lol.
@PrincesMo,
two questions:
1. how can you accurately judge her intellect and common sense (or lack thereof)?
2. have you ever had any personal interaction with beyonce? (just asking because thats usually the only way i can judge whether someone is genuine or not)
i had the same 2 questions…
@The Champ,
“(just asking because thats usually the only way i can judge whether someone is genuine or not)”
First off, this speaking of “genuine” is done in the vacuum of media-only appearances (and/or personal blogs vids) relating to said “celebrity” since we’re not actually close confidantes with them in reality. Much like you can say who you deem “G.O.A.T.” Even though lyrically, yeah, you love it, but in actuality, you don’t REALLY know who wrote the lyrics. You go by what’s printed on the record/tape/cd cover cause that’s who owns the rights – doesn’t mean they wrote it or had any part of it.
So just by you saying that, it makes your whole point moot.
@The Champ,
no i’ve never met Beyonce, but my opinion (which is just that an opinion, Its not a fact, I could be completely wrong, although i highly doubt it) of her is based on a collection of different situations/interviews/media texts etc.(and i’m very aware of the distorted images and messages that are filtered through the media and how facts/personas/opionions of people/events are manufacture and distorted. my major was communications and my concentration was media, culture, & society, so i have a very critical eye for manipulated media content). But to answer your question, you don’t really have to meet someone in person to decipher whether or not one is intelligent or has common sense. I’ve never met George Bush, but i’m pretty convinced that he’s an idiot. And just as I know that Barack Obama is extremely intellegent and exudes integrity, in the same light, it is very easy to tell when one is lacking in certain areas. it only takes one time to hear Beyonce speak to understand that she’s not the brightest crayon in the box. and people could argue about that, but i’d say say they’re highly delusional and in denial. but by no means does her lack mental fortitude take away from her talents as entertainer. and about her being genuine she’s one giant facade; oh please, didnt she tell everyone that she wrote irreplaceable but then it came out that neyo wrote it. that was straight deceit, genuine my behind.
@PrincesMo, “i’m very aware of the distorted images and messages that are filtered through the media and how facts/personas/opionions of people/events are manufacture and distorted. ”
I interned for a summer with MTV and that totally changed my perception of celebrities. I don’t judge until I meet the person because the image they create in the public eye is not real. The ones who have a good image in the media had bad attitudes and the ones with a bad image in the media like Kanye West couldn’t have been nicer. It’s all marketing…
i think your second point is a moot one. black ppl especially talk about God and turn right around and sin, if not already sinning whilst praising His name. Bey ain’t exclusive on that front lol. shoot, i sit next to whore-mongers, club hoppers, weed smokers, and alcoholics errry Sunday. so what?? is that really a reason not to like her?? you’d have a small pool of ppl to like if that were the case becuz approx 99.1% of so-called Christians are hypocrites.
@Gem of the Ocean,
well first of all i think that point is very relevant, and just bc alot of other do it too, does not make it anymore acceptable. I dunno blame me for having high standards, but i find it especially offensive when people have gospel songs and songs like “nasty girl” and at the same time be gyrating on the stage with no clothes on and all of that nonsense. its one thing to be a hypocrite in words i.e. rappers who rap about all kinds of scandalous behavior and thank God when they get a grammy but at least they are not preachin to ppl in their music on how to not be a “nasty girl.” its one thing to be a hypocrite (which i hate), but its even worse to be a hypocrite and self righteous (which i hate even more). and i just generally have an issue with “christians” that don’t uphold the standard of the Bible anyway. I’m a very liberal person, so i really don’t care what anybody is or what anybody does, i just hate when people proclaim to be something that they’re not, and at the same time look down on others who do the exact same things that they themselves are doing (which is one of the major issues i have with MLK, but that’s another issue for another daY). and if your church is filled with people like that, then that’s prob not the place to be. and again, just because religious hypocrites are so prevalent does not mean thats its ok or that we accept their hypocrisy; the Bible calls for us to shot that mess out. So basically again i appreciate Beyonce as an entertainer, i very much enjoy most her music and she’s a great performer, but at the same time, i think on personal level she’s at least 85% full of it and that’s just how i feel, and will make no apologies for it. Thankfully we live in america so i dont have to
First off, I have to say that that this site along with the people on here, are the isht.
To see people on here discussing hip-hop in a spirited and intelligent fashion, complete w/lyric quotes that would earn a ‘hip-hop quotable’ or ‘five mic award’ and Champ implementing WU lyrics into an English class (because Wu-Tang along with Trick Daddy, is for the kids) with made me smile. Fo’ rilla.
That being said, Jay-Z USED to be nice with the mic device. He’s become lazy and complacent with his lyrics. (e.g. ‘Jockin’ Jay-Z) His corporate hustle is unparalled though. (e.g. his HP commericals; proposed deals with Apple/Steve Jobs)
VB’ers, the Greatest MC of ALL time is…
KRS-One. I’ve never seen ANYONE control the crowd like this dude. Saw him at Temple back in the day for Spring Fling. At least 2000 students jam packed to see him; EVERYONE jumping up and down, EVERYONE knew the lyrics to all his songs. It was incredible. Best Lyricist goes to…
…The 18th letter b.k.a. ‘The R.’ Rakim Allah. Turn on ‘When I be on the Mic’ or ‘In the Ghetto’ or ‘Mahogany’ for proof.
*Case closed. *drops e-gavel*
As far as Beyonce goes, I never really paid her much attention. She makes it do what it do. I will say that she IS fine and along with A-Keys gets the nod from me for looking real right in tight jeans with those hips and big legs. (Actually, Alicia might get the 1st place nod with Phyllis Yvonne Stickney getting my ‘Lifetime Acheivement’ award.)
@ThePhiladelphiaNegro,
thanks for the love and sh*t, phillyblack.
as far as your comment, i think that we all should pay homage to originators like krs-one and chuck d and rakim, but i just wouldnt put them in any conversation of greatest ever.
why? lemme cut and paste a comment i left upthread:
“if you were to rate mc’s in maybe 10 different categories (wordplay, critical acclaim, longevity, impact, resonance, record sales, relevance, song-making, etc, etc) on a scale of 1-10, jay-z would get 7′s, 8′s, and 9′s in every category. no, he wouldnt get 10′s across the board, but no 5′s or 6′s either. no other rapper can make that claim.
now, jay-z isn’t my fav (that goes to ghostface) and, as far as wordplay goes, i think nas is second to none. thing is, all-around, jay-z is the greatest. honestly, i really don’t think its even an argument anymore. “
@The Champ,
please see my comment up thread. If you subtract every criteria that has anything to do with money than Jay-Z isn’t even in the running. If were talking soley about talent and skill and not things that have to do with money, and having money, than Jay-Z is far from the greatest. He may have the most money. The only reason people toss his name around in this convo is because he is talented and has money enough to keep making albums and keep himself relevent.
@The Champ
Once again, I ask let’s do a post on the best Jay Z lines. He has a line that fits ANY area of life. True story.
this would make me incredibly happy.
I’m a Beyonce fan. I like her music, sans 85% of the new album, and think she’s fab.
Sure, she says dumb ish sometimes, and her lyrics can be mildy retarded, but whatever, she’s an entertainer, here soley to entertain, not deeply influence my life, so its not that deep.
If I fell apart everytime an entertainer did something that made me sad, I’d have ceased to exsist a long time ago due to Whitney Houston, who once upon a time, was my answer to the question, “What do you want to be when you grow up?”
So Bey, you keep sangin and dancing and I’ll keep listening. Except when I won’t.
G’day.
@8th Wonder,
8th, you never disappoint and sh*t
damn right.
@8th Wonder,
This is why I e-love you in a sisterly way, 8th. I haven’t given my heart to another diva after Whitney crashed and burned on me. I just wanted to dance wit somebody, and that ho had to get all crackish and sh*t. At least I was old enough to handle it when Janet came out of the freak closet.
I e-love you too!
Yeah yo…when Whitney married Bobby, I remember mourning for like 3 days, because I knew the marriage would ruin her, and I couldn’t have been older than like, 10.
I have an old soul and shyt.
you, my dear girl, are truly a wonder!!
and lmao @ “her lyrics can be mildy retarded” i sooooo agree 1000%!! but who cares?? it’s entertaining any way you look at it.
Ok, so I’ve been incog a minute actually working…but I had to drop through to chime in on this one…I actually admire and respect Bey now. Sure, I dislike her psycho, Svengali father…and wish her WAY less talented little sister would sit the heck down…but Bey herself…is fabulous. Her level of talent is quite debatable (and I died at thundergoat, which I hadn’t heard in a while)…but as an entertainer, the girl is one of the best out there and has been for a while. Here’s hoping her material matures one day soon and she reaches a level of superstardom only known by a select few!
To all those who have said that Beyonce can’t sing I say to you…You’se a d*mn lie!
I went to see that Movie Cadillac Records this past weekend and by God if that child ain’t sang the hell outta them Etta James songs, then Mike Jackson ain’t never had plastic surgery!
Another thing is …Well Beyonce is pretty. That’s all…Doesn’t matter that she has a weave…hell bout 90% of the women in the world today are walkin round with more tracks in their head than an i-pod so let that go. If her mane looks good it doesn’t matter that she ain’t grow it; and let’s not even get into this “she wears too much makeup battle” because who the hell said that you gotta walk around naked faced in order to be beautiful huh? There are many standards of beauty and even more ways to attain said standards.
I consider myself a Beyonce fan…Does she and her entire aura get on my last nerve at times? YES!!! but so does my mama sometimes… Ain’t nothin wrong with not wantin’ to be bothered with a person from time to time. It doesn’t make you a hater.
I don’t like every fashion choice she makes, I don’t like every song she sings either, but I respect her as an artist and if I were an artist I would want a career that mirrors hers. The woman is BAD!
Now with all that said let’s all get off her d*mn nuts. Haters and supporters…Especially you CHAMP!!! takin’ all this time to insult us women and try to rile us up to blog about her when she ain’t thinkin bout yo’ a**.
okay this:
“Doesn’t matter that she has a weave…hell bout 90% of the women in the world today are walkin round with more tracks in their head than an i-pod so let that go. ”
and this:
“Especially you CHAMP!!! takin’ all this time to insult us women and try to rile us up to blog about her when she ain’t thinkin bout yo’ a**.”
Made me chuckle.
Beyonce is FABULOUS. Loved her since Destiny’s Child first came on the seen, and she’s grown flyer ever since. I can’t fathom why people hate Beyonce. She seems like an overall sweet person, can SING, and fly. My only beef with her is her acting skills. I think she should stick to being a singer.
Booooo to ALL the Beyonce Haters.
awwwww i’ve missed you Killa K
I was once in denial. I was a Bey hater by day and closet lover and club shaker by night. It was be until I saw her Direct TV commercial with Upgrade U, specially remixes just for them while waiting in Jiffy Lube in 2007. At that moment I freed myself from the pressure. How can you really hate on a woman who’s song was so hott that marketers and advertisers paid her to not only remix the song but REMIX THE VIDEO for their commercial??!!
All hail Bey! She makes the songs EVERY WOMAN screams and hits the dance floor for and gets the strength to liberate herself from ‘him’. She upgrades him, tells him he’s irreplaceable, screams ring the alarm and when he’s finally off the mark reminds him if he liked it he shoulda put a ring on it. Let’s not even mention the outbursts of Sasha Fierce that challenge women to step their freak game up, eg Check Up on It Video and most recently- Single Ladies.
Um yeah, hate if you want but Bey is that *itch!!!
@Daydreamer,
Please excuse the grammar errors in my previous comment. I am learning iPhones are not edit friendly when it comes to ‘type-in’ boxes, as they do not have a scroll bar.
wow…664 comments on a blog about the hatred of Beyonky. AMAZING! The only thing that irritates me about the Beyonky haters is when they say “she can’t sing and that’s why I hate her”. I would just like to know who they THINK they’re listening to because last I checked she ACTUALLY could sing. Sometimes people hate just to hate when there is REALLY nothing to hate on her for. Now, it is not beyond me to point out a few INDISPUTABLE FACTS about Beyonky but they are never wildly outrageous snipes to her character that would display some sort of unwarranted hatred. I, in all honesty, am a Beyonky stan. I know when someone has been OVERLY represented in the entertainment world…is that her fault? SURE! But if you stood to make 80+ million (IN A DAMN YEAR) by being OVERLY represented in ALL arenas of entertainment, fashion, and whatever the hell else made her rich, wouldn’t you? I know I sure in the hell would jump in line and thank her for paving the way. Point of my babblage (read: comment) is, people pretty much hate her because they ain’t her. She gives me something to aspire to…wealth and an equally wealthy man to flaunt it with.
i love B!
Yes, this post is a year and a half old. But I can’t just let 666 comments sit on a post about Beyonce. The Stan in me won’t allow it as fuel for these Illuminati conspiracy theorists. *shrugs*
I can’t take anyone seriously who doesn’t appreciate Beyonce. She’s too good at what she does. A woman hating on Beyonce is the same as a guy that hates Kobe cause his favorite player doesn’t have a ring.