**flashback to 2001**
the champ was returning from the mall with a few of his teammates, listening to wblk and ranking the ass-to-waist ratios of hispanic sophomores on campus discussing scouting reports when they all heard a faint “f*ck jay-z” on the radio.
stunned, they killed their convo and turned the radio up, each of them literally awestruck as they listened to nas’s “ether” for the first time.
for the next few months, the nas vs jay-z discussion would dominate hip-hop america, its debate the main topic of discussion at every corner, cafeteria, dormroom and utility closet. everyone had an opinion, and everyone had a laundry list of reasons on command to strengthen their argument
thing is, for most people with a vested interest in the battle, this debate had nothing to do with which artist was “nicer” or whose catalog was greater and everything to do with public validation of their own personal worldview.
you see, in the heart of most nas supporters hearts (myself included), they really didnt care if the blueprint was a better album than stillmatic (it was) or if ether was a better track than “the takeover” (it wasn’t).
they just didn’t want to be seen as a jay-z person, because being the type of person who rooted for jay meant that you also stood for unadulterated capitalism, anti-intellectualism, pretentiousness, nafta, power windows, brothels, and the cheescake factory. also, more importantly, they didn’t want the “jay-z people” to win
never mind the fact that the real life nas is, by most accounts, an arrogant pseudo-intellectual assh*le, or that being dogmatically anti-pretentious is the epitome of pretentiousness, the debate was bigger than both of them.
it was a clash of classes, a crunch of competing cultures where symbols and principals take precedence over facts. where why you’re fighting matters infinitely more than who and what you’re fighting for. where carmen bryan is still a slut became hip-hop’s pattie boyd.
as i reflected on this, i began to think of other popular debates where the principal matters more than the actual facts, where where you stand depends more on your worldview and what each side represents than how you actually feel about each side, and a few came to mind.
mac vs pc
***despite the fact that my comp has more viruses than luvvies feet (and i live two blocks away from an apple store), i’ve stuck with my dell pc out of exaggerated cheapness principal***
nba vs college basketball
***seriously, if a person claims to be a basketball fan, this is the single most important question you can ask them. their answer (and reasoning behind it) will tell you everything you need to know regarding their feelings about race, politics, patriarchy, mimimum wage, p*ssy, womanism, the aclu, their parents, and free chicken***
natural vs perm
“destination cities” (nyc, l.a., atl, mia, d.c., etc) vs everywhere else
alicia keys vs beyonce
***even before the thundergoat and the camel got hitched, people who sided with beyonce in this debate also usually sided with jay-z. point being, we’re all frauds***
whole foods (and trader joes) vs local supermarket chains
kobe bryant vs all thats good with humanity
ok, thats enough from me right now. people of vsb.com, did i miss any?
—the champ
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Like being the first to post. Beyond the actual facts of who posts, first, apparently it is against some principles to openly flaunt it.
I can think of several arguments, tax policy, gay marriage, what to wear tomorrow, all of these ignore facts as people pursue ideological arguments.
10% of your income when you’re making less than $15k/yr means you go without food for a month. 10% when you’re making $100k/yr means you go without that new deck to your house. What stimulates the economy more? People buying food or people buying a new deck? What SHOULD we prioritize as economic stimulus, spending that enables people to buy what they NEED or what they WANT? That is the real discussion.
Gay marriage will destroy the fabric of society. . . umm, if the fabric of society was whole, how do you explain them? Nature + nurture deez. More gay children come from straight God fearing families than any other.
Why do I need to even think about what to wear tomorrow? The fact is, there is only one set of clean clothes.
By the way, this post looks incomplete and sh*t.
@kamakula,
*dazed and confused* lol
@PrincesMo,
Yeah, the general public typically can’t relate to anyone who’s educated in ANY mathematics field, and takes up a career in said field because the “math geeks” make it a point to not relate.
@RedBeanzNRice,
Hmm, in my case, I don’t make a point not to relate, but unless I find you interesting, I don’t see a point in making an effort.
Us engineers have optimization drilled into our heads from day 1. I’ve been applying that principle since birth.
@kamakula,
I was only being facetious, Kamakula. ; )
@RedBeanzNRice,
i think he was too
@kamakula,
wow.
@kamakula, I totally agree on the tax and gay marriage thing….and secretly…the what to wear tomorrow thing.. LOL I am more concerned about what shoes to wear than what Im actually wearing…last week I wore a pair of peep toe sling backs with these capri/walking shorts and a button down..apparently I misjudged the shoe in my rush to get out the door..the 5 inch stiletto heel is fine with long pants but a whole other spin on the outfit at the office….LOL lets just say I didnt buy lunch that day!
@shay_d_lady,
lol. Did you hide in your office at lunch time or dash home to change?
@iloVEGrits, Did you hide in your office at lunch time or dash home to change?
both! hid out till lunch time and then stopped by a Marshalls and picked up a “sensible” option…
@shay_d_lady,
lolol
@kamakula,
“By the way, this post looks incomplete and sh*t.”
It sure does…I wasn’t sure if I should add topics to the great debate list or expound on the Nas v. Jay-Z battle, so I refrained from commenting.*
*I thoroughly enjoyed The Blueprint (after I allowed myself to fully enjoy it). I still contend that Nasir won that battle.
@Lili, “I still contend that Nasir won that battle”
I concur! Nas won that battle….
@ kamakula, I agree about the debate over the stimulus thing. My greater debate is gay marriage vs gay marriage ban. Currently there 5 states that allow and 17 states that have a constitutional ban. I’ve always felt my gay friends are great to have and they are alos human. Who am I to pass judgement and not let them just as happy and/or miserable as couples who are married? What bothers me more is that many black people are against it. Now everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however this is also the same oppression we have dealt with for centuries and still is present. Blacks say hey don’t leave us out but we can help out gays? Most women have a gay friend or maybe a couple of them who are a big part of lives in addition to many industries, most notably fashion, hair, accessories, shoes, food, and I’m sure people remember the whole metrosexual fad. People say I’m black and I’m proud not people respect that and their skin. What about gays and lesbians?
@Alynrochelle,
“What bothers me more is that many black people are against it.”
I think alot of it has to do with the church. Even the heathens in our community get some of their foundation from their more religious grandparents/great grandparents. It’s slow-going getting folks to come around and I think more inroads need to be made in the church (interestingly enough, the church is surprisingly open to gays when it comes to their choir directors. *sniggles*)
I had a hard time with gay marriages and abortion (I was raised Catholic) but I made my decisions in favor of choice and legally recognized gay unions b/c I do not think the government should be legislating/regulating what is/is not moral. I’m no religious zealot but I don’t think it’s man’s or the government’s place to place themselves above God and make these decisions.
I hope more people can do the same in time.
@iloVEGrits, Michael Eric Dyson wrote a great essay about major societal institutions allowing people who they are vehemently against take part in those institutions as long as they play a particular prescribed role. His major example was gays in the black church
@kamakula,
Like being the first to post. Beyond the actual facts of who posts, first, apparently it is against some principles to openly flaunt it.
touche and sh*t.
btw, you’re right. at 12:34am the entry was still (laughably) incomplete.
@kamakula,
i heard this stupid debate yesterday for first time (gay marriage destroy fabric of society) and it made me sick to stomach
@kamakula,
Hmmm… methinks you’ve been drinking rom the WuDaMan KoolAid bowl
@Luvvie,
Shut up this shyt is off the hook.
@kamakula,
Word up… word up.
@kamakula,
The capital/stimulus question is a great one… However where do you stand on it? And what does the side one picks says about them?
@Sula,
I advocate stimulus that helps people get the necessities in life. Tax policy that asks more of the well off than the poor.
Many people claim that they are nice, good, and moral. That if the government was not already taxing them to fund social relief programs, then they would give more to the poor. That’s the big thing now with the fax tea parties and protests and Republicans, that government is asserting what should be the individual prerogative of a citizen. That our country started with the notion that the local governments should be strongest and as we move further away, the state and in turn federal governments should be weaker.
However, and this is similar to arguments I’ve had with people who advocate a complete government hands-off approach to free-market capitalism, in the real world, people are not actually nice. People do not make decisions that necessarily benefit even themselves, let alone their community. When people and companies seize power for themselves, our governments and economies no longer work they way they are supposed to.
I know I’m going off on a tangent here, but let’s examine the current Republican argument, that state governments should have more power than the federal. That the states are better able to decide what is best for their citizens than the federal government. I want them to tell me, which state passed civil rights legislation before the federal government passed the civil right’s act? Which state passed women’s rights legislation before the federal government? I think the answer is none. Even in states that were considered progressive at the time. None.
So, history, barely going back 50 years shows me that I cannot trust state governments alone to ensure my life, liberty, and property.
Now, going back to the economic stimulus question, a lot of those against welfare programs and stimulus that helps with basic necessities of life are claiming that if the government stepped out, THEN they will step in, but because the government is there, their form of protest is by NOT helping their neighbors. That is bullshit. Like when people who claim to be Christians say they will stop giving to a children’s charity because it removed the word “Christian” from it’s name. The hypocrisy is so thick, my head almost explodes from even contemplating it.
When it comes to stimulus, I ask this question, in the current economic times, if I had $5000 to give to two people, one that makes $10k/yr and one that makes $100k/yr, who should I give it to? Republicans (and perhaps Conservatives) say I should give it to the rich person. And let it trickle down to the poor.
Again, that ignores the realities of life. The rich person would likely put that money in savings. Or if they spend it, it might be to buy something they want, a new TV, go on vacation, etc. That money just further goes to large companies or hotels who already are in a good position to survive and do well, and barely trickles down to their lower paid workers. On the other hand, if I give that money to the guy making $10k/yr, that money is more likely to be spent. Spent on food, clothing, perhaps a car (used), a dentist visit, doctor checkup, credit card bills.
Now, assuming that both people actually spent the money instead of saving it, we can assume that the net stimulus to the economy would be the same. However, if I gave the money to the poorer person, I’d have effectively improved his life, while the rich person sees hardly any change in quality of life. Giving the money to the poorer person has the effect of improving things in general for our society. . . a lot. The economic impact may be similar or identical, but the socio-economic impact is much different. Nearly nil when you give huge breaks to the rich, but astounding when you give the same exact breaks to the poor.
What I like about Barack’s plan, which the Republicans complained overreached being a stimulus and advanced a social agenda is that he recognizes those things. That:
1. Regardless of who you give stimulus money to, the net effect to the economy is almost the same.
2. If you spend money in such a way that you help people who need it the most, you wind up with a future that is much better for everyone.
When it comes to addressing what does the side one picks say about them, my answer is this. Those who have never truely experienced hardship and had to work their way through it, they are ignorant of how things really work in the world. And as such, their advice would always reflect that of a person who lived in the ideal world. So, I think it’s mostly ignorance and a lack of experience. There are definitely those who have a malignant purpose, but mostly ignorance abounds.
This kind of thing occurs everywhere in life. Take a kid to school, you can teach him all day long. If he never attempts to actually work through problems where he exercises what he thinks he knows, he will typically have problems at test time.
Same thing with engineering. There is a big difference between 6 years of school, and 4 years of school with 2 years of work experience. Experience, learning by doing, always exposes you to the big difference between what you think, what you’ve been taught is the world, and what the world actually is.
The same applies to racism right now. So many people say stupid things, not because they are bad people per se, but that they don’t know.
It is my belief, something that goes to the core of my being, that education has to be a combination of teaching and doing. If I could affect the political process in some way, it would be to require that our politicians spend a year working in various communities, dealing personally with their problems, not just hearing their stories, but seeing how a single mom struggles with one or two jobs and how that affects her ability to interact with her kids. To see how an otherwise smart person can destroy their lives financially because a lender offers them a mortgage that can’t really be afforded.
Anyway, if you check out my blog, from time to time I have posts on these very issues.
pink vs. blue
canola oil vs. vegetable oil
Biggie vs. Tupac
God vs. Allah
@iloVEGrits, biggie vs tupac is even more epic than Nas v Jay Z
@shay_d_lady,
yup.
@shay_d_lady,
you know what though, biggie vs pac wasn’t really a mere battle in principles. this was a f*cking war, lol
@shay_d_lady,
much bigger than nas vs. jay-z…like Champ said, it was a war, and there were casualities on both sides
We had a Canibus vs. Nas debate based solely on lyrics. I was a Cani advocate.
NFL vs. college football
NCAA tourney vs. NBA playoffs
NBA vs NCAA basketball
@Stank-0,
I go for college basketball and March madness every time!
@PrincesMo,
vsb.com: where princesmo unwittingly admits that she’s in favor 0f slavery happens
@The Champ,
LOL… And that bring up another battle, should college athletes be paid or not?
@Ms. T,
there arent many subjects i’m completely ambivalent about. this happens to be one of them
@The Champ,
Same here. I waiver on this issue more than a politician in an election year.
*sigh*
I agree wit what ur saying Champ. It’s not exactly the actual content of the debate, but the principle behind the matter. You were also spot on with the Alicia Keys/Beyonce comparison; now i like alot of beyonce’s music (however devoid of depth and value it actually is) but I stan for Alicia Keys and pretty much detest everything Beyonce stands for (although I am strangely gaining respect for her alter ego Ms. Fierce lol). I would also add to this debate macs vs pc, i’m def a mac, practically allergic to pcs, and i do make judgements based on what kind of computer a person has. If I don’t know you vey well and I know you have a mac, then i pretty much figure ur prob a cool person (although at the same time u may have a heightened propensity of pompous douchy behavior). I tend to think that people who not only own pcs but stan for them are conventional and afraid of change. Now I don’t base my opinion of people solely on these factors, or even mainly these things, but I do store them in the back of my brain and they may subconsciously or not so subconsciously come into play later.
@PrincesMo,
you know, i’d argue that with many of the debates, the sides are consistent and streamlined.
like, i’d bet that many of the same people who’d choose nas over jay-z and alicia keys over beyonce would also choose whole foods over giant eagle or even walmart.
btw, i have absolutely no idea what any of this means
@The Champ,
i in fact do shop at whole foods/trader joes rather than the reg supermarket (trader joes more so now in these TET bc its so cheap) not particularly bc i’m into organic food or anything, but the produce is so much better and I am admittedly a food snob, besides there are so many nifty things in whole foods and tj, way more fun than the reg market any day!
@The Champ, in your post you lumped whole foods and trader joes together. i’d argue that it should be whole foods vs. trader joes. i’d choose trader joes ANY day (and still have money in my pocket at the end of it). i’m not a pretentious a-hole. i just like to eat healthy, and trader joes has a lot of healthy foods for the low. i have nothing against local grocery stores, and there are actually some things i prefer to get from them (coffee, milk, sugar, yogurt, pancake mix, etc.)
i’m not sure why i took the time to write this, but now all of you know my grocery shopping preferences. good day
@A Plus,
i’d argue that it should be whole foods vs. trader joes.
honestly, i dont know enough about trader joes to really make a good argument either way. i just listed it cause there’s one 5 minutes from where i live
@The Champ,
Yes, yes. This is all nice. But NOBODY’s effing with Fairway (is this nat’l?)
@Me fail english?,
no.
@PrincesMo,
While I like the idea of Alicia Keys (talented MUSICIAN who writes and produces) and the content of most of her songs, she really bores me. I can barely listen to one song completely, so getting through one of her albums is impossible.
Beyonce’s music is shallow as he!!, but she is entertaining…
@I was wondering….,
Full co-sign. And other than the ability to play piano, I don’t think she’s super talented.
@Me fail english?,
I think that’s where The Champ’s post makes sense. I don’t own any Alicia Keys CD, I don’t even like her music that much… but in a debate, instinctively I’ll pick Alicia Keys because I’m against what I think Beyonce “represents”…
Interesting topic, Champie!
Pop vs. Soda. That’s my contribution.
@thechamp: This was one of my fav posts because you put both Shawn and Nasir on blast while pointing the complexities of their beef … And you’re right, they validated themselves with those records, and made a crapton of money.
Anyway, because of the mac vs. pc thing, I’m going to introduce you to TMCY’s second writer:
http://thismayconcernyou.com/2009/05/17/freddie-facebooker/
And by the way, it’s POP. Not soda.
@thismayconcernyou,
IT IS SODA!
or cold drink.
It is never, ever, ever pop.
@iloVEGrits, in the Burgh it’s pop. it’s a Champion city thing, you wouldn’t understand (lol).
@iloVEGrits,
SMH at you. Where are you from? This will settle the problem.
@thismayconcernyou,
New Orleans (where the cold drink comes from, lol). But I’ve been in Chicago a long time. They say pop here. I can’t bring myself to say it.
@iloVEGrits,
Shocked it hasn’t rubbed off. Kansas City for me. It changes to soda midway thru Missouri on your way to STL.
I thought they also said/say Coke for all soft drinks down in NOLA, though? Is that true?
@thismayconcernyou,
“I thought they also said/say Coke for all soft drinks down in NOLA, though? Is that true?”
Kinda. lol.
@thismayconcernyou,
I also refuse to say gym shoes. They are called sneakers. Thank you.
@iloVEGrits,
one of my best friends is from the Chi and says gym shoes, too … smh … They’re tennis shoes here. But sneakers works.
I just know 93 percent of the people wearing them aren’t going to the gym. Same can be said for tennis shoes.
@thismayconcernyou,
@iloVEGrits,
“I also refuse to say gym shoes. They are called sneakers. Thank you.”
We call ‘em trainers over here.
@iloVEGrits,
oh, you are sooo from louisiana. heeey! lol
@charli skipper,
the cold drink gave me away, huh? lol.
@iloVEGrits,
well, cant any drink be cold?? ive never heard that one before…you just blew my mind! lol
@shatani,
Just go with it Shatani. lol. cold drink, making groceries…it is what it is. lol.
@shatani,
don’t test me ova here! lol. it is what it is and it be what it be!
@iloVEGrits,
IT IS SODA!
or cold drink.
It’s most definitely soda…
when you said cold drink…I knew you was from Louisiana!!!
@miss t-lee,
Cosignage on soda! I absolutely hate it when my friends from other places say pop.
@PrincesMo,
POP POP POP POP POP!
@iloVEGrits, I agree!!!!!!!!
@thismayconcernyou, to you and everyone else on the blog… Its neither pop nor soda? WTF I never even heard these terms before..its coke coke for everything even things not coke….maybe if you bougie its a drink but never eva pop or soda
but the coke vs pepsi debate is a hot one… no matter how hard I try I have to side eye a hard core pepsi drinker…I mean it is in NO way better than coca cola.. even their commercials kick pepsi a$$
@shay_d_lady,
give me the side eye, then. lol. I prefer Diet Pepsi over Diet Coke. Reg. Coke, however, does taste better than reg. Pepsi. But I only drink reg. sodas in extreme emergencies.
But to your point, in a lot of the south a coke is the name for any soda or cold drink.
@iloVEGrits,
You, my dear, are a friend in my head! Ppl look at me like I’m crazy when I say it but it’s so true: reg Coke is infinitely better than reg. Pepsi, but diet Pepsi tastes much better than diet Coke.
@Lili,
people look at me crazy when they ask me pepsi or coke and i tell them i dont do brown soda.
yeah, thats right. soda!
@Lili,
I am going to have to be the dissenting voice here.
Pepsi over coke, but diet coke over diet pepsi.
@Lili,
Ditto. And its definitely SODA!
@luvtheshoes,
Soda it is!
@iloVEGrits, no side eye..i dont do diet drinks so that might be true but reg coke and reg pepsi… if you choose pepsi..smh i loose a lil bit of respect for ya….
@shay_d_lady,
It’s coke…all day, erry day!! lol
@miss t-lee,
It’s Pepsi.
@Cheekie,
lol!!! Ewww…I can’t get with it.
Pepsi tastes like flat RC cola or something.
@miss t-lee,
HAHA…I guess it’s why I can’t do Coke. Because it tates like corn syrup. And I used to drink it, too. But nowadays it’s just pure fructose.
@ Cheekie,
But have you had Mexican coke?
It’s wonderful! They still use real cane sugar, like the original recipe before the HFCS.
It’s sooo niice!
@miss t-lee,
No, but I need to get up on that. Noted.
@shay_d_lady,
If it’s Coke, then why do 90-plus percent of Americans say soda or pop?
Trust me, I did a geography paper on Pop vs. Soda in college. I’m well versed in this subject, and have at least one debate on it every six months still.
lol.
@thismayconcernyou, Trust me, I did a geography paper on Pop vs. Soda in college. I’m well versed in this subject, and have at least one debate on it every six months still.
so you polled all America? paper or not thats a made up unproveable statistic… LOL and its COKE ninja!
@thismayconcernyou,
smh. I thought you were saying you wrote a college paper on this as a joke. I can’t believe of all the debates people raised today, soda vs. pop is the most intensely battled. This ish is like religion!
@shay_d_lady,
Exactly!! Cocacola is the best, Pepsi taste like dirt.
@thismayconcernyou,
Right. It’s POP. Soda is too bougie and 2520. Stop being all proper and ish. POP goes the weasel, mofos.
@Cheekie,
lol!
Soda’s not bougie nor 2520 its simply correct, it’s not our (and by our i mean northeasterners and generally sane people) faults that you refuse to do things correctly/accept reality. And since when is it 2520, to speak properly, I’m sorry but is not our homie Barack (as well as any other educated/ well spoken/ intelligent minority) the antithesis to that statement. So go in the way of the light and accept soda as the truth, if Jesus was here I’d put it on everythang that he’d say soda too
@PrincesMo,
Girl, you know Jesus liked wine.
*looks for lightening bolts*
@PrincesMo,
“And since when is it 2520, to speak properly”
Never implied that which is why I separated the two with the article ‘and’. Two separate descriptions.
And even Barack speaks slang. And he’s from the Chi so he says “POP”. And he’s the king of the world. So let it be written.
Pop sounds cooler. It’s not everyday you get to use onomonopeia for a beverage. lol
@Cheekie, I co-sign all of this. Of course it’s pop, eff a soda.
@Kindred Smile,
Thank you. Fellow Chi-heads understand.
Also, to the above, it’s gym shoes. Sneakers? You’ll get tossed in a locker. Sound it out, it sounds like you wear bifocals and love cheese. Gym shoes sits at the cool kids table. lol
@Cheekie,
Correction (said like dwight from the office): Barack spent his formative years in Hawaii and didnt move to chicago until he was 26 and therefore would have mostly likely formed his soda v. pop preference beforehand and they don’t say pop in Hawaii (see link below) . and also pop does not sound cooler it sounds incomplete, the original term was soda pop, you can’t just drop the first name and call it the second, that doesn’t make sense, like who would know what ur talking about if u just reffered to beyonce as Fierce, they would most likely get who u were talking about if you said sasha. And if the correct term is pop then why all of the “soda” related terminology, i.e. soda fountain, ice cream soda, soda jerk, etc etc…
Link that shows soda vs pop usage: (note that in hawaii most people say soda, and also i realize that much of the map suggests that pop in more poular, but do take into account population density not just area, and many of the the places that are blue have the population density of -2) http://tastyresearch.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/popvssodamap.png
@PrincesMo,
This long response is proof that pop is better. lmao
He was born in Hawaii I know, but he’s more KNOWN here. I’m sure he says pop.
“the original term was soda pop, you can’t just drop the first name and call it the second, that doesn’t make sense, like who would know what ur talking about if u just reffered to beyonce as Fierce, they would most likely get who u were talking about if you said sasha.”
And yeah you can drop one of the names because the point of slang is to make it shorter than the original. And back to Barack, you can call him by his last name only and everyone knows what you’re talking ’bout right? So, your argument is null and void. Dirty pop.
@PrincesMo,
Da fcuk?! I’m mad this map exists.
I’d be interested to see a list of the “Other” terms tho
@PrincesMo,
You tell ‘em Mo!
@Cheekie,
It’s DEFINITELY POP!!
@thismayconcernyou,
No “soda water” people in here. My college buddy’s Native American fam used to call it that. That is why they can’t rise as a people
(I keed, I keed!)
@Me fail english?, LMAO you ice cold today
@Me fail english?,
I used to call it soda water when I was younger! Then we shortened it to soda.
Also, we don’t say gym shoes or sneakers we call them tennis!
@Ms. T,
I call them tennis too.
@Ms. T,
U got indian in you? I’m tryna figure out if this is racial or regional.
Either way it is wrong.
@Me fail english?,
No Indian, just a SW Louisianan! I think it is regional.
@thismayconcernyou,
It’s POP!
That is all
@Luvvie,
Soda (or cold drink)!
Sat down.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
cold drink? What are you in your 70′s in England? lol
@Naturally Alise,
Just you wait…when I come up with a witty retort, I will be back.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
…So you won’t be back till next week? Dang. VSB may miss you and your tea parties.
@Luvvie and Naturally Alise,
Instead of worrying about soda vs pop, both y’all need to be passin’ round a bottle of Kemi Oyl.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
Look here Frizzy McTangleson… Don’t start nuffin!
@Luvvie,
Well, a person learns somethin new everyday – I never knew it was this big of a deal!
@YGB,
And we also never knew Lil Kim would become an Asian woman one day. But we live and learn
@Luvvie,
::chuckling::
@thismayconcernyou,
its pop, and tennis shoes (or sneaks/kicks).
the champ has spoken, which means this discussion is now over
@The Champ,
over deez
@iloV.E.G.rits,
I second that motion!
@The Champ,
thank you for the co-sign. That seals the deal. Pop and tennis shoes.
It’s SODA, not pop.
books vs. kindle
facebook vs. myspace
morehouse/spelman vs. clark/morris brown
the burgh vs. philly
hardwood floors vs. carpet
@Miss Patterson,
Facebook vs. MySpace is long over. Facebook dumped on MySpace like Buster Douglas did Tyson.
Now, Facebook has some new competition: Twitter … and IDK. This one won’t end for quite some time …
Twitter is shaking Facebook’s foundation right now. BTW, Follow me: @thismaycy
@thismayconcernyou,
“Buster Douglas did Tyson”
This fight recently aired on the classic sports channel. Watching it was like watching it for the first time.
@thismayconcernyou, there are a lot of folks still on myspace, which surprises me. it still caters to musicians, “models” and budding comedians. speaking of which, i should probably cancel my account (i haven’t logged on in months), so that i can stop getting friend requests from this weirdo who wants the password to my favorite pub.
@Miss Patterson, Patty Cakes, I am with you on canceling my account. I logged in the other day and had messages from weirdos with foot fetishes. SMH
@Miss Patterson,
@thismayconcernyou,
First it was blackplanet (don’t act like y’all don’t know)/ migente.com/ asianave.com (go ahead and type that in your browser), then myspace took over the game, then facebook came and (as thismayconcernyou said) dumped on myspace, and now twitter is monopolizing folks’ free time.
So, it’s safe to say Twitter v. practically every other social networking site in existence.
@Miss Patterson,
I love you Pattiecakes… I do. But the Burgh loses to the Illadelph every.single.time.
Sorry.
@blackberry molasses, the Burgh loses to the Illadelph every.single.time.
Oh BB Mo’!!! Say it ain’t so! Say it AIN’T! Damn Damn DAMN!!! Could this be an intrastate VSB rivalry?
@pgh muse,
love you too, muse but sorry… it is so.
@ BB Mo’ & TPN – *long drawn-out exaggerated sigh*… I can’t even put up a good fight today. We just lost our only radio station and our sista mayoral candidate is about to get the snot kicked outta her in tomorrow’s primary… ya’ll still have more crime tho and WE have a better football team, and hockey team :-p
@pgh muse,
I’ll give you football, but hockey? now you’re reaching…
@blackberry molasses,
Illadelph all day, every day. 2x on Sunday.
@blackberry molasses,
Having lived in both places, I must say…I approve of this message
sowwy Muse
@blackberry molasses,
the Burgh loses to the Illadelph every.single.time.
how, praytell?
(and name something that can’t be tracked back to “philadelphia is bigger than pittsburgh”)
@The Champ,
LOL. The bigger population and what they can attract is a big deal.
But for one thing I’d say the music scene. Much more poppin in Phila. Museums, esp. Phila Museum of Art. That’s a world class institution. I’m not even that into art, but I like to have the option. Also, its close proximity to other major cities. PGH is the only thing poppin in the entire Erie Lake area (no Kennywood doesn’t count as a major destination).
You guys have less crime and prettier topography tho. Three Rivers> Schuylkill and Delaware
@Me fail english?,
in a nutshell and sh*t.
@Me fail english?,
good point, although since i live in the hometown of the world-renowned andy warhol museum and carnegie art museum, i can’t give you the art point.
@The Champ, That’s right Champ u tell ‘em!! We GOTS world renowned museums, and operas and all that cultural stuff and shyt! lol… Cleveland is close and so is Morgantown, WV! What more can u want? (lol… the second sentence was totally a joke!)
@Me fail englishYou guys have less crime and prettier topography tho. Three Rivers> Schuylkill and Delaware
We are prettier! Thanks Me Fail! Now!
@Me fail english?,
But philadelphia didn’t produce FlashDance… Flashfance I tell ya!!!
@blackberry molasses, I love you right back. But didn’t the schools get so bad that the state had to come in and take over? Hmmm…
@blackberry molasses,
I approve this message.
I used to go to the Burgh every year for a basketball tournament (Wilkingsburg) and would stalk the clock, praying for departure back to Philly.
I lost all respect for the Burgh when I ordered a sandwich, and cole slaw and fries were put ON it. They’re supposed to be on the side *smh*
@Jae,
what basketball tournament are you referring to?
@The Champ, Wilkinsburg (high school).
@Jae, I lost all respect for the Burgh when I ordered a sandwich, and cole slaw and fries were put ON it.
It’s GOOD like that!
@pgh muse,
no.
@Miss Patterson,
I feel like myspace is the seedy underworld of the internet, kinda like the red light district…it frightens me lol
@PrincesMo,
I love living dangerously…I refuse to give up my page…lol
hbcu vs. predom white universities
weave vs. the weaveless
desperate housewives vs. the real housewives
umm……i don’t know.
@charli skipper,
if you wanna kick it old school… ER vs. Chicago Hope!
i was a chicago hope girl hardcore! i never understood why they cancelled it or how er lasted so effing long! lol
@shatani,
i was a chicago hope girl hardcore! i never understood why they cancelled it
lol, because you were the only one
@The Champ,
right. I don’t know anyone who watched that.
@iloVEGrits,
They didn’t…ER baby!!! Until all the original characters left and it got cheesy.
ooh!
dane cook vs. katt williams
roseanne vs. married with children
russell vs. djimon
@charli skipper, dane cook. love him. one word: crying
http://www.myvideo.be/watch/3768523
@charli skipper,
roseanne vs. married with children
Married with Children!!!
@charli skipper,
roseanne up until they won the lottery….
@N.I.A. naturally….,
yeah. what was up with that?? it went from snarky working class 2520 to incredibly whack. and the decor they chose after they won?? THA FIZZUCK?
@N.I.A. naturally….,
LMFAO @ roseanne up until they won the lottery….
That also reminds me:
Becky 1 vs. Becky 2
I loved when original Becky came back and she just entered the room and Darlene was like, “Where the hell have you been?” Perfect comeback.
@Cheekie,
I remember that!
New Becky was almost as bad as New Aunt Viv. What do these casting directors smoke for breakfast?
@Me fail english?,
LOL! I couldn’t STAND the new Aunt Viv! AT ALL!
@YGB,
Right! Not only did they completely change her appearance but her personality too!
Old Viv was a feisty firecracker of a woman. New Viv seemed lobotomized. WTF?
@Me fail english?,
Add New Harriettte Winslow to that list too.
@Beez,
Wait, what???!!
*rushing to look this up*
Okay, I’m back. Wow, I barely remember that. Yeah, that wasn’t cool at ALL.
@Beez,
Word. I didn’t now they got a new Harriette! This is BOOSHEET!
By then they just should’ve dropped a bomb on the house and called it a day. Cuz before I stopped watching Steve Urkel was old as hell
@Beez,
Add New Harriettte Winslow to that list too.
there are some things i wish i could unsee.
@Me fail english?,
Oh yes, Old Viv was the business. No idea what they were thinking with New Viv. Too uptight. That switch ruined life.
@Me fail english?,
Add New Harriettte Winslow to that list too. Suckola.
@charli skipper,
Katt Williams and his luxurious hair win over Dane Cook’s dry *ss anyday.
So what the f*ck this topic got to do with male/female relationships? (My ghetto side talkin’) And WHY are you talking Music when you’re the Movie guy, Champ? Stick to the script please – and don’t give me that “multi-cultured” crap either, lol.
Both of them (Nas AND Jay) can eat a fat one, cause NEITHER of them will EVER amount to Pac – bottom line – end of story, no ifs ands or buts. (You can try to dispute this, but you’d be wrong – period)
@RedBeanzNRice,
Like the Tiger i remain crouched and silent in the corner…sh!t i gotta see this one play out…
@RedBeanzNRice,
Well, if you think about the fundamental beliefs behind these debates and what you personally feel about them, then its kind of a quick heuristic for potential partner evaluation. For instance, if someone told me that he was a Dallas Cowboys fan when I met him, I’d automatically know he was a fan of b*tchassness, and possibly a pompous azzhole. Not to mention an idiot… who couldn’t lay pipe if his life depended on it.
@blackberry molasses,
Just a wild guess, but uh, you’re not really a fan of the Cowboys, huh?
@blackberry molasses,
“For instance, if someone told me that he was a Dallas Cowboys fan when I met him, I’d automatically know he was a fan of b*tchassness, and possibly a pompous azzhole.”
E-high five for you!
@RedBeanzNRice, “So what the f*ck this topic got to do with male/female relationships?”
I can’t lie…this popped across my mind too.
@RedBeanzNRice,
“So what the f*ck this topic got to do with male/female relationships?”
**quoting blackbemo**
“Well, if you think about the fundamental beliefs behind these debates and what you personally feel about them, then its kind of a quick heuristic for potential partner evaluation”
oh, and ummm, multi-culture deez
@The Champ,
“oh, and ummm, multi-culture deez”
At the rate you tell folks to (insert pseudo-verb here) deez, I’m surprised you have any “deez” left.
@RedBeanzNRice,
i have panoramic deez
@The Champ, that is nothing to brag about, sounds like you need to get “deez” checked perhaps you suffer from elephantiasis of the scrotum
***CAREFUL OPENING PICTURE NOT SAFE FOR WORK***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_105-DOA0229,_Deutsch-Ostafrika,_Einheimischer_mit_Elefantiasis.jpg
@Intellectual Hedonist,
Ok, that’s just nasty! I’m SO glad I wasn’t here earlier to see this one! That’s too funny, but very disturbing, also. lol.
@Intellectual Hedonist,
GOT EM!!!!!!!
WAMO aka Hot 106/ (r.i.p.) vs. no urban radio station in the Burgh. ***maybe there’s another one, i’m not sure***
this is a d@mn shame. i spent alot of time (while growing up in the burgh) clowning on WAMO. however, it’s an institution in pgh. it’s where i had my first internship in high school. it’s where i first appeared on radio. their djs introduced me to the urban journalism workshop. it’s a shame that no minority markets were able to buy the station and prevent it from being sold. perhaps my attachment is purely sentimental, but i’m still upset by it. and after reading the comments posted about the article below, i’m really pissed. [click on link, see comments authored by 'shelter']
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/19476371/detail.html
angry black woman vs. diplomatic woman of color
@Miss Patterson, This whole thing truly sucks monkey ball$!!! I’m not even sad about the music (a little but WAMO’s format sucked!) I truly miss the WAMO of my youth, the Quiet Storm was the best time of the day, and If I hear that Souljah Boy song one more time!!! But the more sad prospect for me is the loss of the community oriented talk shows, Bev Smith, Lynn Cullen, and Steve Harvey in the morning. And the community events: Summer Jam, the concerts and what have u. The Post Gazette article said they couldn’t find another minority affiliated station to pick it up so they sold it to the Religious self-Righteous Rightwingers… and all the owner could say was that he is certain that another station will come in to fill in the void. Blech. WAMO was the oldest Black owned radio station in America. How do you replace that?
@Miss Patterson,
yeah, this has me pissed as well. as much sh*t as i talk about wamo, its as synonymous with pittsburgh as primanti’s, kennywood, and bad hair
paper vs. plastic
I say paper…better for the environment, plus you can use the bags later to drain french fries in*. And yes, I know you can buy the little cute totes made from hemp and whatnot…I have some but never ever have them on hand when I’m at the store.
*may be ghetto, but works better than a paper towel lined plate.
@iloVEGrits,
“I know you can buy the little cute totes made from hemp and whatnot…I have some but never ever have them on hand when I’m at the store.”
I completely understand. That requires you to actually PLAN your grocery trips. I lack the foresight to plan. Bleh.
@Beez,
“That requires you to actually PLAN your grocery trips”
Saving the planet requires way too much thought.
@iloVEGrits,
paper vs. plastic
Reusable hemp bag… kept in your trunk.
Oh the memories!
@Cynthia,
welcome and sh*t
@Cynthia,
Hey Cynthia *licks pinky and pointer finger to groom both eyebrows @ once*
@WuDaMan,
LOL
Looks like we’ll be generating the topics for the next year in this thread. Onto my suggestions:
My Favorite — African-Americans (whatever the f*ck that means) v. Island Folk and/or Africans (whatever the f*ck that means). I laugh at this one all the time, as I pick whichever side doesn’t have the most ignant and loud m*therf*cker trying to make a point.
Brilliant v. Beautiful
Tell Your Woman If You Cheated AND REGRET IT v. Not This Black Man
Stay For The Kids v. It’s My Life
Love v. Stability (Read: Money)
Face v. Body (Read: @ss)
Pop v. Soda (Pie v. Pizza etc.)
There Is Real Value In Marriage v. I’m A Very Successful [fill in occupation here]. (Prenup v. Not etc.)
Interracial Dating v. The Black Woman’s Perspective
Democrat v. Republican
Karma v. Go Get It
Moving Up And Out v. Keeping It Real (has any rapper actually lived full time in the projects while on top? the answer has to be no)
Cat Lover v. Dog Lover
Gorgeous Women Can Be Down To Earth v. Sad Reality of Socialization
Morning Person v. Night Person
Too Giving v. Too Selfish
Russia v. USA
@An Island,
“Morning Person v. Night Person”
Sorry. morning people suck. I mean…it’s 8:00 a.m., why are you so damn perky?
@iloVEGrits,
amen amen!
@iloVEGrits,
Definitely not a morning person.
@iloVEGrits,
“Sorry. morning people suck. I mean…it’s 8:00 a.m., why are you so damn perky?”
because the sooner i get this bs (read: work, school, or anything that doesn’t involve pu**y, w33d, or alcohol) over with the sooner i can get to the shyt i really wanna do.
for example, i go to work at 6am, not because i like getting up at 5, but because i LOVE getting off at 3. now i can go home, workout, sleep, shower, and STILL make it to happy hour before you.
church. priest. tabernacle.
@Carver The Great!,
good points and sh*t
@Carver The Great!,
my thoughts eaxctly… i make it to work by 7:30 so i can get off at by 3:30. it really the greatest thing ever…
@Carver The Great!,
I’m a morning person for the simple reason that I’m energized when the sun is up (seasonal affective disorder in the house!!!). There’s nothing better than feeling like the day is still ahead of you or that you are ahead of the game. Plus, early morning is often the only time major cities slow down. It’s a great time to be by yourself but still be in the middle of everything (Manhattan is the only exception as street cleaners/construction workers own the streets between 4-6 am, and their is a truly massive group of morning people in the city especially during the week days).
@Carver The Great!,
I’m perky cuz sleep is my power pellets. N you need to get yo purple traiting ssa out o my happy time space. Grouch!
Just kidding I wanted to do a lil roasting n shyt after you yuck mouthed me n my people.
@WuDaMan,
and who are these people of yours that you type of?
@Carver The Great!,
oh morning people. I’m one of them.
@Carver The Great!,
Amen, amen, amen!
@iloVEGrits,
“Sorry. morning people suck. I mean…it’s 8:00 a.m., why are you so damn perky?”
Hush your speak..I am so a morning person. Even before I had kids I was up at the butt crack of dawn calling around waking fools up.
I never could understand why people were so cranky in the morning. oh well.
Morning People Rule
@iloVEGrits,
Yeah, nigh owls own it. I agree, why are you so perky in the morning. Mornings are why God made coffee. And good morning is an oxymoron
unless it entails morning sexay time.@Cheekie,
I knewed I liked you for a reason.
Double co-sign with a cherry on top.
@Cheekie,
“And good morning is an oxymoron unless it entails morning sexay time.”
For real, this is the only time I’m truly going to be happy in the morning…lmao
@Cheekie,
See my thing is I am a night owl AND a morning person… Just don’t talk to me from 2pm to 6pm… My brain turns to mush… If I could pick my work schedule I would be working from 10pm to 6am…
@An Island, Love v. Stability (Read: Money)
Love all the way. Good list!
@pgh muse,
Co-sign for dating, F that for serious relationships (assuming you can only have one).
@An Island,
Actually, if stability means “money” then love for serious relationships too. If stability means “boring and predictable but no drama” then stability. (I’m the only person who misreads his own post, so sad).
@An Island, If stability means “boring and predictable but no drama” then stability.
idk. I can’t agree… but I’m a sucker for a struggle.
@An Island,
Tell Your Woman If You Cheated AND REGRET IT v. Not This Black Man
and
Stay For The Kids v. It’s My Life
LMAOOOOOOO! their are no words for those
There Is Real Value In Marriage v. I’m A Very Successful [fill in occupation here]. (Prenup v. Not etc.)
This is a hard one. I never plan on being married or having kids so it resonates on a deeper level for me. I just dont see any point in being married beyond a title. If your happy in your relationship then what the hizzle difference does it make if you introduce me as “boyfriend or husband” clearly you could do what you usually do when you talk about me with your girls and call me “your man” because if im yours and only yours the title doesn’t really ish, just saying.
as for the prenup thing. I find myself thinking it would be better for the black community. How you ask?
If we are together for a number of years and are both out of school and are both living some place that we dont pay rent. (ie. mortgage or condo fees) Then why do we need to sell our properties to get a house? what in he 7 wonders of the world is the rush? we stay with each other either at your place or mine. The little time we have apart is good for the relationship. Having our own personal space is good too. Your not lock stock and 2 smoking barrels trying to girl up my place and im not trying to man yours up.
how does the prenup come into this?
IF in the event we decide to break it off for whatever reason. my prenup without all the legal jargon basically says “You leave with what you came with”. “Anything we brought together we split or sell and split the proceeds of.” and “Gifts remain gifts.”
and how is this good for the Black Community?
Had the marriage gone right we would have owned 3 properties. Sounds like we are doing pretty good.
OR
since we didnt work. we are STILL property owners. No one has to move in with their folks until they get a new place or is trying to fight you tooth and nail for a house. (not because they care about the house, or even out of spite but because THEY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE! )
Lastly, Gay marriage. The whole debate is nonsensical. Why? cause who the hell cares if gay people get married? whats gonna happen?
Setting a bad example for the youth?
thats your job as parents.
They will raise gay children?
(if you take either side of the debate)
they were born gay and you had nothing to do with it.
OR
the chose to be gay and that had less to do with you than you think it does in all honesty (teens are shaped more by teens and their social atmosphere than their parents really. How can that be so? Teenagers really dont talk to their parents. Thats just how it goes)
Destroy the fabric of society?
Last I checked that fabric has never been stable. (classicism, colonialism and many others )
shut that sh*t up.
@An Island,
My Favorite — African-Americans (whatever the f*ck that means) v. Island Folk and/or Africans (whatever the f*ck that means). I laugh at this one all the time, as I pick whichever side doesn’t have the most ignant and loud m*therf*cker trying to make a point.
Hahaha. This is my strategy too
@An Island,
These are all very good tho.
I’m a cat lover that doesn’t believe in admitting to cheating or karma.
@Me fail english?,
Wow, you’re exactly the type of woman I’m NOT looking for.
If only y’all came with a label.
@An Island,
label deez!
@Me fail english?,
How strange…
. I am a dog lover who doesn’t believe in admitting to cheating (it’s more selfish than the cheating part) but believes strongly in Karma…
Hmmmmm… interesting.
@An Island,
How about Black vs. African American?
Hmmm, let’s see:
*Ketchup vs. catsup
*The Simpsons vs. Family Guy vs. American Dad
*Black Michael Jackson vs. White Michael Jackson (please don’t say “It don’t matter *snortles*”)
*Lauryn Hill vs. Erykah Badu
*Wal-Mart vs. The World
*Harry Potter vs. Twilight
*Rice House vs. Chinamen (anyone from STL/ East St. Louis?)
@Beez,
“Rice House vs. Chinamen”
OMG. My ex is from STL and I swear he and his boy, from East STL, got in this argument constantly. It was crazy. But I do thank him for introducing me to the St. Paul sammich. Yum. Who knew THAT would be good.
@iloVEGrits,
I’m from East St., and I miss the St. Paul terribly. I have an inkling to duplicate it at home, but I feel I would only fail and miss it more.
@Beez,
“*Ketchup vs. catsup”
OMG, I was just talking about this with my sister and how catsup sounds unappetizing as I don’t know what. It sounds like some Cruella Deville anti-PETA person made that. What do cats gotta do with smashed tomatoes?
@Cheekie,
“What do cats gotta do with smashed tomatoes?”
LMBAO
@Cheekie,
What do cats gotta do with smashed tomatoe
**potential t-shirt**
@Beez,
*Wal-Mart vs. The World
also known as ‘Hating Corporations’
The Rice House/Chinamen thing used to irk me endlessly when I lived there. I thought it sounded so ignorant/bigoted. And I never TOUCHED Chinese food while I was there. Not once. They all looked soo…. sketch.
@Beez,
“*Ketchup vs. catsup” i never understood where catsup came from, i’ll have to google that one of these days.
and *Lauryn Hill vs. Erykah Badu – i pick Erykah bc she has more music and Mama’s Gun is one of my fav albulms ever, and despite the fact they’re both crazy, my girl Erykah carries her crazy very well, although i also heart Lauryn, at this point she just makes me sad.
@PrincesMo,
Catsup is old school as hell…
My grandmother still calls it that.
@Beez,
“*Harry Potter vs. Twilight”
I’d have to say this debate is actually True Blood v. Twilight and True Blood kicks Twilight’s Sweet Valley High version of vampires as$!!!
Prince V. Michael Jackson
Brandy v Monica
black v african american
@shay_d_lady,
“black v african american”
wow..are there really convoc/arguments like these?..as in seriously?…tell me i gotta know
@sisanda,
oh yeah. My mom prefers black and turns her nose up at African-American.
I use both terms interchangeably and it upsets some folks.
@iloVEGrits, I use both terms interchangeably
me too.
@iloVEGrits,
I prefer black too… I felt like African American was just some term that people decided to start using in the late 80′s early 90′s however I don’t know why I prefer it I just do.
@Ms. T,
Me too. I try to say whatever the ppl around me are coomfortable with but AA is just a long and awkward phrase. Also the definition is harder to pin down. smh@ the white egyptians in my class checking off Black/AA on college scholarships.
@sisanda,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KKyw8V-l0
@shay_d_lady,
“Brandy v Monica”
LOL!! Love it. The Boy is Mine days were thee days! I remember being at the skating rink and when the song came on, my friends and I would role-play the whole video while skating.
Oh, and Monica wins.
@Cheekie,
Oh, and Monica wins.
monica may have won the battle, but i think brandy won the war
@The Champ,
Brandy’s hairline has long since ceded the title. Give it up, Champ!
@The Champ,
Brandy was on For the Love of Ray J and is probably known as Ray J’s sister now. Monica just hangs out with Keyshia Cole. I’d rather be Monica. lol
@The Champ,
I agree. And Brandy actually has a good singing voice…
I rooted for her goodie-two shoes self for some odd reason.
Cosby Show v Martin
Different World V Cosby Show
*Good Times V Cosby Show
i think we can all agree that the shows represent extreme case scenarios…but what I normally think is telling is a lot of the “cosby show” people claim to have NEVER watched good times…or they have only seen 1 or 2 episodes and ‘didnt get it”… that normally tells me all I need to know.. bougie and living in a world totally different than me….not automatic dismissal but ……..
@shay_d_lady,
lol, i’ve only seen maybe 3 episodes of good times. i can’t watch comedies that aren’t funny.
@The Champ,…mmmm hmmm..
I just dont get it I mean as an adult I have my problems with it but as a child I nor any of the kids I knew where that discerning and I watched that show along with plenty of other things t hat werent necessarily funny.. we watched any and everything with black people in it.
@shay_d_lady,
Ya know your statement explains why Different Strokes was popular cuz I recently saw an episode and it sucked mammoth elephant balls!
Couldn’t believe I ever found that shyte funny!
@The Champ,
I was about to say… Then again, I tried watching Good Times when I moved to the states (it was not aired abroad) while I grew up watching the Cosby Show… More sentimental attachment to the Cosby show.
I would say The Cosby Show vs. Fresh Prince of Bel Air… In my house, it’s a generational thing. My two younger sisters love Fresh Prince (which I think is barely ok) and the two older ones including me adore the Cosby show.
@shay_d_lady,
Damn, “Good Times” was extreme??? I agree though, we watched everything with black people in it. I still enjoy both shows.
@shay_d_lady,
What about Martin vs. Living Single?
@Beez,
That is no competition, except that Martin sucked mastodon balls after Gina left….
@Naturally Alise,
“mastodon”
Okay, as a Power Rangers fanatic, I can’t even breathe after the sheer beauty of using this as an adjective. You win at life.
@Cheekie,
Why u like power rangers when they ripped THE WHOLE CONCEPT off from Voltron?
in College Football- BCS system vs a playoff system
Hampton vs Howard
for the drinkers- Light vs Dark
Spades vs Bidwiest
Wikipedia vs Libraries
the movie theater vs bootleg movies
and this was funny cuz i have a friend that will argue this- Samuel L Jackson vs Keanu Reeves……… im not kinding
@The_Eighth_Hokage,
“Jackson vs Keanu Reeves”..LMFAO..really?
Sidenote: This sh!t reminds of that Samuel L Jackson Beer skit on the Dave Chapelle Show..hahaha
@sisanda,
*sigh* I miss Dave. Really, I do.
@The_Eighth_Hokage,
“Samuel L Jackson vs Keanu Reeve”
Vs. each other in what?
@iloVEGrits,
in awesomeness?
@shatani,
no.
@shatani,
Like, in what world????????
@The_Eighth_Hokage,
“for the drinkers- Light vs Dark”
i’m currently trying to switch from dark to light. the only reason is because my research has shown that:
dark = you’ll say much cooler shyt to the chicks and increase your probability for an ONS, however, you won’t remember a damn thing, especially if you don’t “go the distance”
light = you’ll get the number, no ONS, but you’ll at least remember her name, azz-size, and what y’all talked about when you met.
this transition came from many mornings of either waking up next to her and drawing a blank or looking through my call log the next morning like “whothefluckiskeisha?”
@The_Eighth_Hokage,
Spades vs Bidwiest
this is a debate? who knew and sh*t
@The Champ,
Absolutely. Old people love some Bid Whist and will get straight up belligerent if they catch you playing the baby’s game (Spades). At least that’s how it is in my fam
@Me fail english?, WTF? Where is Spades the baby’s game?! That is some emasculating sh*t right there, and I’m not even a guy
@Kindred Smile,
LOL! Hell yeah. I feel like they’re questioning my manhood!
I’m really just scared to play with the old ppl cuz they’re waaaaayyy too competitive. Whist is violent like a dice game. Mama and auntie are like the church whist champs of ’68. And they’ll tell you all about it as they get up and mush you in the head (only if they take you to “Boston”)
@Me fail english?,
WTF @ Spades being a baby’s game.
I was taught Spades by my grandma. She and her old folk friends (who became my friends. LMAO, I had like 70 year old friends when I was 6) used to play all the time.
The best way to diss someone is to slap the Big Joker down on the fold-up table with style. Folks could get killed over that.
@Cheekie,
The best way to diss someone is to slap the Big Joker down on the fold-up table with style. Folks could get killed over that.
i prefer to just smack it on my forehead so it sticks and everyone can see it. sometimes i’ll do this at the beginning of the game if i know its the last hand and i know the other teams not gonna get their books.
learning creative ways to insult people is probably the best bi-product of having a teammate from harlem
@The Champ,
LOL. Yeah, I know folks who did that, too. Classicness.
@The_Eighth_Hokage,
Sam Jackson wins b/c 1. he rocks Kangols and 2. He is just stoic as hell. BTW, Keanu Reeves can’t act. He has ONE emotion: stoic.
@Luvvie,
LOL. Exactly. I once heard someone say Keanu Reeves had one emotion: Keanu Reeves. haha. Forgot who that was.
@Luvvie,
Stoic? It’s more like constipated.
@Luvvie,
I think Keanu Reeves’ breath stinks
@Me fail english?,
I’m SURE it does. If you don’t open your mouth enough to allow cross ventilation of fresh oxygen, I’m sure your breath would smell like feet and shame (aka Champ’s nickname all though college)
Old school vs new music
Duke vs UNC college basketball
Greeks vs non-members
Wal-mart vs Target
American vs Foreign cars
Ipod vs Zune
@Leila,
Why do greeks have to be against non members. Can we just co-exist with them?
@Double J,
Is this a bigger deal at schools with bigger minority populations? I went to school up north at a PWI so I never really noticed this
@Me fail english?,
Not really I went to an HBCU it is either you are or you aren’t
@Me fail english?, I went to and work at a PWI and it is an issue here for White and Black/Latino Greeks non Greeks
@Leila,
even though I’m a mac, i can’t part with my zune, and zune pass. theyr’e the greatest!
@PrincesMo, i love my ZUNE too, but i also have a shuffle and an iphone. still, i love my zune!!!
@Leila,
The Tar Heels are the only team I care about, and no I didn’t go there. Have always been a fan though
I have a good one!
the past vs. the present vs. the future
WAMO (did ya’ll know that the AMO stood for Allegheny, Monogehela(spell check?), and Ohio – just found that out and thought I would share) like all old black things in this city (the Crawford Grill, the Lemington Home, the Courier b4 it got revived, Juneteenth (which WAMO hosted), Harombee, etc) is dead. Everything changes, and people say that change is good, but sometimes things change and for that change the future looks really really bleak and desolate. It’s a sad day in Pittsburgh. I thought I was going to vote for Luke on Tuesday (cause Carmen just DIDN’T impress me during campaign season and voting for her just seemed like Voting for Ralph Nader in 2000(4?)), but now I’m going to waste my vote and throw my hat in the ring for Carmen. Eff it. Wow. I’m moved enuff to blog 2day
@pgh muse,
WAMO (did ya’ll know that the AMO stood for Allegheny, Monogehela(spell check?), and Ohio – just found that out and thought I would share)
learn something new everyday and sh*t
@pgh muse,
The present wins. The past and the future ain’t nothing but worry. Live in the now.
Angie vs. Jen
*I took team Angie. What can I say.
@iloVEGrits,
i took team brad!
@shatani, Me too and sh*t
@iloVEGrits,
Me, my sisters and my mother had some seriously heated debates about this one.
Me and the sisters were riding with team Jen. Not because we like her. Just cuz she got there first. My mom rides with Angie’s man-stealing azz cuz she’s west indian and that’s how they get down (I keed, I keed
)!
@Me fail english?, in theory I have to ride with Jen.. but based on who I like? I like Angie and her body of work and her unapologetic independence a whole lot more than Jen….
@shay_d_lady,
I took team Angie cuz it was understandable. I mean Jen Aniston eats salad every for lunch and chain smokes and was afraid to let Brad learn to fly. Angie, on the other hand, flew her own plane, had her own motorcycle and was traveling the world, hanging out in war torn countries and giving grain to refugees. Plus she has big lips.
What man wouldn’t want that?
@iloVEGrits,
I took Team Angie too. Angie is a much better match for Brad. Their chemistry is ridiculous and they seem to have more in common….
@iloVEGrits,
Team jen bc i loved friends and the sheer principle of it, angie’s a whore, period. End of statement. lol
@iloVEGrits, Team Angie all the way. Jen is a total psychopath who should drown in her own irrelevance
@Kindred Smile,
Yes. Yes. lol.
@Kindred Smile,
LMBAO! But oh! so true…
@iloVEGrits,
***filing thread as more proof for champ’s upcoming doctoral dissertation “bats in the belfry: 22 reasons why women are usually insane”***
@The Champ,
Because we have an opinion on this? lol.
@iloVEGrits,
I am Team Angie all the way. For once, the bad girl wins… with a grin.
rap vs. hip hop
This argument is usually started and dominated by some dude in a crazy hat who knows all the elements of hip hop.
@iloVEGrits,
LMAO. The crazy hat gives it away every time.
@iloVEGrits, Its normally a white guy in a crazy hat in my experience…LOL
@iloVEGrits,
LOL at the archetypes. It’s usually a middle-aged, pregnant man with disintegrating locs in my experience
@Me fail english?,
that too. And LMAO at ‘disintegrating locs’
Dark skinned vs light skinned
(Darkies all the way)
Trains vs buses
Metrocard vs tokens
Chocolate vs vanilla
Dilla vs any producer (its not a competition if dilla ur fav producer fav’s producer)
Brooklyn vs queens
East coast vs west coast
@rockstar718,
woohoo! go team darkies! lol….that felt so offensive!
@rockstar718,
my answers…some with explanations
dark-skinned women are the best thing to happen to earth since water.
trains – no traffic
metrocards fit in your wallet/pocket, tokens make noise and get lost like socks in the dryer
chocolate!
kanye production > dilla production, yeah you just heard that from a hip-hop head…ye’s a much better rapper and more versatile.
bk! – queens people are weird. don’t believe me, look at their list of rappers: ll cool j, 50 cent, nas, ja rule…i’ll stop there.
east coast – not as pretentious, with cooler sh*t to do. nyc = great place to live if you can afford it. “cali, great place to visit” – biggie
@Carver The Great!,
bk! – queens people are weird. don’t believe me, look at their list of rappers: ll cool j, 50 cent, nas, ja rule…i’ll stop there.
lol, you can add ron artest to that list as well
@The Champ,
Qns also has It (Flavor of Love)
But not to be outdone BK is the hometown of Mel Brooks, Spike Lee and Whodini. That should count for several points
@rockstar718,
Dilla. End of discussion.
@rockstar718,
BK- because you can be anywhere in the world and send a postcard to a BK address and put only the street address and Brooklyn (leave off NY /USA) and it will get delivered. Or so I heard and sh*t. Im going to try this on my 5 month jaunt around the world
@Intellectual Hedonist,
I’d wanna test this out. This sounds like one of those things NYers make up to sound important, lol. Like if you live near Brooklyn, IL they’ll still take it to NY? You’d at least need a zip. Zip code zones are small enough in NYC (we’ve got a single building with its own zip) that you can do this, which is why I never write the state in for an NYC address
@rockstar718,
East coast vs west coast
Third Coast… aka The Gulf Coast (and its hurricanes…
)
Puerto ricans vs dominicans
Dark skinned vs light skinned
(Darkies all the way)
Trains vs buses
Metrocard vs tokens
Chocolate vs vanilla
Dilla vs any producer (its not a competition if dilla ur fav producer fav’s producer)
Brooklyn vs queens
East coast vs west coast
@rockstar718,
Who the hell would pick tokens?! Thank goodness that bullish is over with. Philly, get yall minds right!
As for the rest
eff the light/dark debate. Ppl in the middle never get no luv…and yall know we the hottest
I’m riding with my Ricans. Not only because I’ve had way more PR play cousins, BFFs, BFs and neighbors. But in my experience they’re far more proud of their African heritage than their DR counterparts. Ironic since the DRs I know tend to be darker than the PRs.
I don’t care about the rest of this ish, but I’ll just say BK>Qns since Qns has always seemed too far and boring to make a case for it.
@Me fail english?,
THANK you. The middle skin tones are what’s up. We never get no special debates or cue the violin sob stories. It’s like being the middle child of a rainbow family.
doggy vs missionary
ketchup vs mustard
hood vs sadity
yo momma jokes vs you sooooo ugly jokes
ebt cards(welfare) vs getting a job
miami vs the world
lakers vs cavs
@Double J,
typo: i think you meant “nuggets vs cavs”
it happens.
oh and doggy if she has a fatty, missionary if she doesn’t.
@Double J,
lakers vs cavs
i think this is more “laker fans who aren’t from LA, and cowboys fans who aren’t from dallas” vs “everyone else on the planet”
@Double J,
doggy vs missionary
I’ll say doggy vs. On Top.
cheese grit vs regular grits vs grits with brown sugar
frosted pop tarts vs non frosted
kettle korn vs regular popcorn
drinking from a water fountain vs buying bottled water
doritoes vs everything else
sausage vs bacon
pancakes vs waffles(even though they are made from the same ingredients lol)
Ok I am putting my randomness away for now. lol
@Double J,
sugar in the grits is a disgusting concept. cheese grits all the way!
@shatani,
thats like saying you never had pancakes and grits. The syrup hits the grits and you got instant sweet sugary grits. mmmm mmm goood
@shatani,
whats wrong with having both?
@shatani, sugar in the grits is a disgusting concept. cheese grits all the way!
I gotta co sign.. and No I dont eat pancakes and grits….
@shatani,
co-sign the cheese grits. where did this sugar in grits idea come from? I was born and raised in the south, and I never witnessed my grandmother nor my mother putting sugar in grits. yuck!!! Cheese grits are the greatest!!! And i hate pancakes…waffles all the way!!
@N.I.A. naturally….,
“I was born and raised in the south, and I never witnessed my grandmother nor my mother putting sugar in grits”
THANK YOU
@N.I.A. naturally…., Stifle. Just stifle. Sweet grits are that biz
@Kindred Smile,
co-sign!! grits with salt are gross!
@N.I.A. naturally….,
I am from the south and I used to eat fish and grits and if there was no fish we ate bacon grits and eggs mixed together. Also its not regular sugar it is brown sugar. I has a different taste believe me. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
@Double J,
pancakes vs waffles(even though they are made from the same ingredients lol)
It’s all about them waffles!!!
@miss t-lee, pancakes vs waffles(even though they are made from the same ingredients lol)
yes!!! I guess im all about the crispy but I love waffles not really a fan of pancakes
@miss t-lee,
I’ve never understood how something made from the same ingredients can taste so different.
@V Renee,
It’s so weird ain’t it?
I think it’s gotta be the texture.
@miss t-lee,
I read somewhere that the air-crispness makes it healthier.
I am lying.
@Me fail english?,
*Laughing loudly*
You are so fulla ish….
Someone would probably try to make that claim though!
@Double J,
The bottled water debate is currently being waged between my mama and me. She knows its no cleaner than the tap (and possibly dirtier) but she refuses to stop buying it!
@Me fail english?,
It tastes different though.
@V Renee,
Where my mom lives it tastes the same
@Me fail english?,
Tell her to stop buying water out the back of somebody’s truck. lol j/k
@Double J,
LOL
@Double J,
LOL!
@Double J,
“grits with brown sugar”
ewwww
@Double J,
Cheese grits and waffles… not together though.
Real food vs Tofurkey, soysage, crumbles, veggie protein chicken patties (although I luv morningstar corndogs), and wheat gluten
black women vs Kim Kardashian
real boobs and a$$ vs silicone
Human hair vs. kanekelon
blunts vs. joints (or a pipe)
chardonnay vs. pinot
wine vs. likka
new shoes vs. electricity
new summer clothes 4 my kids vs. new summer clothes 4 me (mwahahaha)
a vacation vs. a roof
@pgh muse,
Real food vs Tofurkey, soysage, crumbles, veggie protein chicken patties (although I luv morningstar corndogs), and wheat gluten .
There’s NO WAY this can be a real debate. Real food . versus fake???? Forreal? I can’t even entertain that debate.
@pgh muse,
“blunts vs. joints (or a pipe)”
bong!
@pgh muse,
black women vs Kim Kardashian
LOL
@pgh muse,
blunts vs. joints (or a pipe)
chardonnay vs. pinot
wine vs. likka
new shoes vs. electricity
new summer clothes 4 my kids vs. new summer clothes 4 me (mwahahaha)
a vacation vs. a roof
lol, you’re just naming “decisions pgh muse makes on a regular basis”
@The Champ,
u got me…
@pgh muse,
“new shoes vs. electricity, a vacation vs. a roof”
you been reading my diary…
I been reading some old VSB. Wow.
Champ/genius khan
Panama/Champ
Politically Socially Fiscaly-Liberal/Conservative
Momma/Daddy (if you know them)
quality/quantity
NBA/NFL/MLB.
Sports/Non-Sports
Hard Bottoms Shoes/Soft Bottoms
Clubs/Resturant-Bars
Natural Hair/Not your naturally grown or chemically treated hair
Custom wheels/Factory Wheels (on your ride you drive)
American cheese/Cheddar
Venus/Serena
Yours truly,
Jigga fan, pop and soda fan, mac fan, etc.
@Dice Vegas,
Champ/genius khan
lol, damn. please expound and sh*t.
@Dice Vegas,
Don’t u mean Liz vs. Genius Khan? *chortles*
@Luvvie, haaaaaaaaa! yessssssssss!
@Luvvie,
**overloud snicker**
@Luvvie,
deaded. kilt. done. fin.
@Luvvie, Don’t u mean Liz vs. Genius Khan? and Champ/genius khan
umm what happened I dont remember? I did see him on twitter and wondered what happened….
@shay_d_lady,
Should I regale you ALL with the tale of why Genius Khan felt no longer welcome here at the Isle of the VerySmartBrothas?
Transparency Rules Everything Around Me (TREAM)
I need 5 “YESSES” to tell the story
@Luvvie,
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes.
There you go Luvvie.
@Luvvie,
firts, stop abusing the wu tang clan, mmkay?
2. does my ‘yes’ count if i’ve already heard the story?
*waiting for the mighty blue box to descend and whisk this all away* lol
@Luvvie, yesss…and if you dont do it here.. put on the gmail! LOL it sounds like some foolishness and yall know how I luv that..
@Luvvie,
I already know, but I love me some tomfoolery and faux e-beef
Grey’s Anatomy vs. Private Practice
Fat Lutha vs. Skinny Lutha
Marvin Gaye vs. Teddy Pendergrass
Apple pie vs. Peach cobbler
crackers vs. bread
Mos Def vs. Talib Kweli
De Niro vs. Pacino
@miss t-lee,
peach cobbler homemade crust only everything else is just uncivilized
@Double J,
hee-hee!!! I actually get torn on this one because I love both…
@miss t-lee, me too! But I gotta give it to the homemade peach cobbler w/the thick crust and a little bit of butter smeared on the bottom. **drooling** lol
@Double J, mmmmmm peach cobbler!
@miss t-lee
Peach cobbler most def if its homemade!!!! store bought you gotta roll with the apple cause store bought peach cobbler sucks…
Teddy P…
Greys
Talib
Pacino…..
crackers v bread depends on the meal…
@shay_d_lady,
crackers v bread depends on the meal…
I should have clarified this.
When eating BBQ (crackers or bread)?
It’s an age ol’ debate with my family…lol
@miss t-lee, is this a question? BREAD! oh and has anyone else tasted the deliciousness that is cornbread crackers?! My grandma had some the last time I was over her house and they were sooo good!
@pgh muse,
Yes…it’s a question…
I like bread with my sausage, but crackers with my brisket….lol
Cornbread crackers? Nooo–I’ve never heard of that. I’m intrigued though.
@ Miss t-lee, as soon as I find out where she got them from I will let u know! Seriously. They were delicious!
@miss t-lee,
Peach cobbler – v – Apple Pie
Ohhhh that’s so hard. I can’t decide. Therefore Ima have Ma Dukes make both in the upcoming weeks and then I will make my decision.
@V Renee,
*family feud clap* Good answer, good answer!!! lol
@miss t-lee,
De Niro vs. Pacino
i love em both, but i’m definitely a deniro person.
“pacino people” are usually assh*les
@The Champ,
DeNiro because he has a black wife.
I can’t help it, I like the white boys that like chocalate.
@V Renee,
What did Chris Rock say? The only thing a white woman can do is show DeNiro where a black woman is.
@V Renee,
“I can’t help it, I like the white boys that like chocalate.”
Heh, I give extra points to anyone who likes black girls too. Like that guy from Greys. I think his wife’s name is Keisha.
@Me fail english?,
Justin Chambers. He is SO FINE!!!
And I don’t like 2520 dudes like that…lol
@The Champ,
I actually agree with you n sh*t. Did the Earth just reverse its rotation?
@blackberry molasses,
no, but i did notice that my truck this morning was covered in pig sh*t
@miss t-lee,
I’ll take Peach cobbler with a side of DeNiro!
@miss t-lee,
BIG Luffa ALL the way. Skinny Luffa ain’t quite curl all the way over (c) Cedric the Entertainer.
@miss t-lee,
Yeah, Deniro wins. How can a man who frowns all the time be so dayum fine? That ain’t nothin’ but God.
@Cheekie,
Yes, and I’m sorry, but Awakenings gets me. Every.Single.Time.
@miss t-lee,
Grey’s Anatomy (first 2 seasons)
Marvin Gaye
Apple pie vs. Peach cobbler … this one is a very hard one, but apple pie it must be.
bread
Mos Def…
De Niro vs. Pacino…. another hard one, but it looks like De Niro would be cooler in real life.
I’m a definite Jay-Z person, but Ether is possibly the best diss record of all time. (Yes, I said it. Of. All. Time.) I can’t respect any claim that The Takeover is better.
Sorry. I just can’t.
And on the same note, Jay-Z’s catalogue/career speaks for itself. But if we take his top 10 songs/verses and compare them to Nas’ top ten songs/verse’, who comes out on top?
As a total product, college ball is better. No matter how crappy the two teams playing are, you’re going to get 100% effort and hard work from every player on each team. And no sporting event competes with March Madness. But, the NBA is better from the standpoint that a game between two good NBA teams is much, MUCH better than a game between two college teams. And a great player in the NBA does far more to dominatae a game than a great college player.
And you completely missed t*tties vs. @sses.
“You love my style, n*gga!”
@Jarrod Halsey,
“Ether is possibly the best diss record of all time. ”
elaborate please.
@Carver The Great!,
I had a long, in-depth defense of my stance and of course, the internet ate it. The bottom line was the context the song was dropped. When Jay-Z dropped The Take Over, he had hip-hop (and arguably the entire entertainment community) by the balls. He could do no wrong in hip-hop’s eyes and The Take Over was poised to cement him as the greatest of all time. Then God’s Son reminded us that Jay-Z could not exist without Nas. You got the top spot? Fine. Just remember that when I was making “It Was Written” you wanted to be on it while I wanted nothing to do with “Reasonable Doubt.” You make hot songs, that’s cool. Just remember who’s name you’re using in the songs AND who you’re sampling when you make them. A “one hot album every ten year average” is pretty lame, but just remember that when you were making “Hawaiian Sophie,” I was making the classic “Live from the Barbecue.”
…Smiling like a proud dad watching his oldest son that made it
Even Jay-z knew that Ether was better when he rushed “Super Ugly” out. He had nothing to say in reply except that he f*cked Nas’ baby’s mother? Really? Of all the chicks in the world you could sleep with, you chose her and then bragged about it like it was cool. Making song’s about n*ggas’ leftovers? Really?
That’s so LLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMME!
Ether showed that Jay-Z can’t exist without Nas. While it doesn’t prove that Nas is better, it shows that its foolish to diss someone who you owe a big part of your career to. Clearly I’m a lil too young to have heard “The Bridge is Over,” “How You Like Me Now” and the such in the context in which they were released, so clearly my opinion is a lil one sided. But of my time (lets say ’90-current) there hasn’t been a better diss record. Not Hit ‘Em Up. Not 2nd Round Knock Out. And DEFINITELY not New York, New York.
@Jarrod Halsey,
Good stuff. While I agree with Champ that Takeover was more clever and lyrical than Ether and that Blueprint had way more replay value than Stillmatic, I agree with everything you said above.
We all pretty much knew that Nas was an underachiever pre-Ether. But Nas really exposed all the chinks in Jay’s armor and that was epic. He felled the giant.
It also didn’t help that Jay got on the radio the next day displaying all levels of betchassness. Crying about the callers voting Nas the victor and how his mom and Rosie Perez got mad at him…waah, waah, waah. It also didn’t help that Jay continued to reference Nas all the way through to Blueprint 2 when Nas wasn’t even thinking about him. It was really like seeing the playground bully who couldn’t come to terms with getting his arse beat.
@Me fail english?,
C0-Sign all day. I remember trying to find that interview on-line the same week he did it. Didn’t find it then and haven’t found it since. Coincidence?
Also, I remember the first time I heard the song “Blueprint 2″ and thought “this would have been hot if Nas still cared about this battle.”
“G@y-Z and C*ck-A-Fella Records wanted beef…”
LMFAO
@Jarrod Halsey,
‘Also, I remember the first time I heard the song “Blueprint 2″ and thought “this would have been hot if Nas still cared about this battle.”’
LMAO. My sentiments exactly. Jay-Z went from looking like this cool, aloof, (almost irritatingly) arrogant rich kid, to an overcompensating, insecure, sad, sad man.
“Were you abused as a child?/Scared to smile?/They called you ugly?”
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!… but also
@Jarrod Halsey,
you almost brought up some good points.
easy as 1 2 3 simple as do re mi
1.“ether showed jay-z couldn’t exist without nas?” even YOU don’t believe that. Who’s career was rejuvenated by this beef? Who ended up signing to who’s label in the end?….naw don’t take it back, you can keep it. Dead presidents wasn’t
2.how can you quote nas (28 years old at the time) for saying “cockafella, gay-z, taebo-hoe” and then clown jay-z for “super ugly”?
3.how can nas say “eminem murdered you on your own shyt” when em did the beat AND is one of the best lyricists ever and nas got bodied by his BODYGUARD on a song?
@Jarrod Halsey,
this was a great comment. you actually swayed my opinion a bit. good job
@Jarrod Halsey, Ether did not prove that Jay could not exist without Nas. It proved the opposite. It showed that hadn’t lost all his skills and he was the underdog and everybody roots for the underdog. Takeover better than Ether but Ether was better than Super Ugly. It wasn’t the rhyme that won the battle it was as someone said earlier the bytch a$$ness Jay displayed. No one thought Nas was going to come back that hard and the surprise is what got ya. Its kind of like Palin in the vice presidential debate she did better than expected but expectations were extremely low and she far exceeded the low expectation. I.E Nas in this battle… and since it was way better than Jays underperforming reply people get confused.. but Takeover was betta..sorry….
@Jarrod Halsey,
“As a total product, college ball is better. No matter how crappy the two teams playing are, you’re going to get 100% effort and hard work from every player on each team.”
See this is why I cant even bring myself to engage in long debates about this. It’s kinda like the Nas/Jay debate. Do you prize consistency over intermittent spurts of excellence? I don’t. Also, IMO, NBA games aren’t consistently good or exciting so I’m riding with NCAA all day.
@Me fail english?,
question: how is coach-controlled, turnover-laden, and consistently underskilled college basketball more “consistent” than the nba?
@The Champ,
I was saying the NBA is consistenly better than college ball, but I don’t value that more than spurts of excellence
@Jarrod Halsey,
“No matter how crappy the two teams playing are, you’re going to get 100% effort and hard work from every player on each team”
although i strongly agree with your overall point (about NBA ball completely trumping college basketball) i have to call bullsh*t on this quote, because it gives light to the false assertion that college basketball players work harder and care more than professionals. in fact, i can name a couple hundred people who are in the NBA now BECAUSE they cared more about basketball and worked harder than college teammates with comparable talent
@The Champ,
Your point doesn’t negate mine. While there are plenty of heads who have made it to the league with some talent and tons of hard work/desire, the league is characterized by the ones full of talent who don’t work that hard and/or have no heart. True they are fewer in number than the hard workers, but whenever you mention NBA vs. College, lack of work ethic is always the first thing that comes to mind with the NBA. There are clearly enough lazy players who overshadow the hard workers in people’s minds when they think about the argument, regardless of what the numbers say.
@Jarrod Halsey,
Agreed. And it’s also possible that these dudes had the work ethic when they were hungry for a contract, got to the league and were scared to get injured, less motivated cause they’d reached their plateau, or maybe their bodies are worn down from stomping all over the hardwood so many years…
Rappers do that crap too. Get signed and stop hustling for it. What part of the game is that?!
@Jarrod Halsey,
thing is, your point now is actually helping my argument. you mention that…
“whenever you mention NBA vs. College, lack of work ethic is always the first thing that comes to mind with the NBA”
…an assertion that summarizes my main point. theres a perception that NBA players don’t work as hard, but, again…its a perception, not reality. i’m not saying that there arent any slackers…just that theres as many of them in the NCAA, MLB, NHL, and NFL as their are in the NBA…but the NBA’s the one who always has to deal with image issues.
and, as loathe as i am to play the racial chicken little, i can’t help but think that the “popularity” of this feeling is rooted in a bit of racism.
@The Champ, i respect your points and almost agree with them, but i’ll always prefer ncaa to nba. perhaps because i grew up in a college bball state and went to a school where college bball was a pretty big deal. i don’t watch the nba until the playoffs.
@Jarrod Halsey, I’m a definite Jay-Z person, but Ether is possibly the best diss record of all time. (Yes, I said it. Of. All. Time.) I can’t respect any claim that The Takeover is better.
WTF? I mean Ether aint even better than the Kool Moe DEE ‘s How ya like me now and doesnt even come close to “Lets Go”
Tryna be me, now LL stands for:
Lower-level, lack-luster
Last, least, limp-lover
Lousy, lame, latent, lethargic
Lazy-lemon, little-logic
Lucky, leech, liver-lipped
Laborious louse on a loser’s lips
Live in limbo, lyrical lapse
Low-life with the loud raps, boy
You can’t win, huh, I don’t bend
Look what you got yourself in
Just using your name I took those Ls
Hung ‘em on your head and rocked your bells!
he used alliteration to rip LL apart..
LOL I have been waiting for years for a chance to bring this song up!!!
oh but seriously….Hit em up is the best diss song of all times….
Champ – I can’t believe you didn’t mention the debate that you have on the regular!!!
V.I.A.G.R.A – v- C.I.A.L.I.S
And cialis deez!
@V Renee,
deez deez
Timberland vs. Rockport
country vs. metropolitan
(I think this is more of an issue in cities like Chicago and Detroit where you have some people that seems like they just stop sharecropping yesterday and others that are the direct opposite)
Body vs. Face
Tupac vs. Biggie
(I’ve had dudes ready to kick my @ss b\c I didnt think Pac was the greatest)
carnivore vs. herbivore
domestic beer vs. imported beer
big @ss vs. tig ol bitties
laissez-faire vs. regulation
independent women vs. dependent women
@Humble_One,
big @ss vs. tig ol bitties
this is my kind of debate and sh*t
@Humble_One, independent women vs. dependent women
This is an interesting question… but “independent” women are still women (well, most) and the ones I know would be more than willing to compromise and be less “independent” for a man who loves and respects them the right way.
@Humble_One, LMAO at ” people that seems like they just stop sharecropping yesterday”
@Kindred Smile,
“people that seems like they just stop sharecropping yesterday”
Are there people like this in Chicago? LMAO.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
“Are there people like this in Chicago? LMAO.”
Yes indeed.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
Oh yes. I can’t go one day without calling someone in this city country.
See: Folks who shop at Newport News and match their entire suit. Orange suit. Orange shoes. Orange purse. It gets worse when there’s a pattern or decoration on the suit then the purse/shoes has the exact same pattern on it. Why so matchy matchy? UGH.
@Cheekie,
I saw a chick at happy hour on Friday wearing head to toe neon green.
I shoulda took a pic.
@miss t-lee,
yes. you should have.
and because you didn’t, I’m filing papers to have our E-Twin Agreement reveiwed….
@Cheekie,
LMAO@ the “special mushroom belt”
You’ve got to co-oo-ordinate.
Light V. Dark
Straight V. Nappy
Bus V. Train
Beer V. Hard Likkuh
Yahoo V. Google
Jill Scott V. Jen Hudson
Summer V. Winter
BMW V. Mercedes Benz
Starr Jones V. Barbara Walters
Satan V. Eilzabeth Hasselbeck (Satan wins hands down for me)
@Hostess,
Satan V. Eilzabeth Hasselbeck (Satan wins hands down for me) .
LMBAO!!!
@Hostess,
Ummmm, I don’t know about that. The only thing more evil than a narrowminded and unwavering staunch republican is an uninformed, incapable-of-forming-their-own-opinion, narrow-minded, unwavering staunch republican who’s famous only for coming in second place on a reality show and for who she is married to.
Liz H. slays Satan in a 12-round fight for the ages.
@Jarrod Halsey, I h* Lizzie H. way more than Satan. I think she has done more to ruin humanity than Satan ever could. She personifies all that is wrong with the world. She’s an ignorant breeder who has an audience. Jesus wept!
@Hostess,
PREACH!
@PrincesMo, OMG! Watching The View now. I hate her. And almost as worse as her is that darned Sherri!! She’s the type who was raised around Lizzie types and seeks their approval.
I forgot:
Working Mom V. Stay At Home Wife/Mom
Ikea V. Hell (I choose Hell)
Target V. Walmart (Targette b*tches)
British Air V. Virgin Air
Crack V. Heroin
Oral V. Anal (I witnessed this debate in a public place)
@Hostess,
lol@ these last two.
girl, who you be with?
@Me fail english?, Not sure if you’re in DC but the last one was overheard in Dupont Circle the night of the high-heel races.
The second to last one was discussed after watching American Gangster and comparing what he did to what Butch Jones (Young Boys Inc.) did in Detroit. I submit that heroin was the foundation of neighborhood destruction on which the crack years were built.
@Hostess,
“I submit that heroin was the foundation of neighborhood destruction on which the crack years were built.”
Agreed.
But what are high heel races. It sounds like some sort of Ho-lympics.
@Me fail english?, It’s a race where men dress in drag and run.
@Hostess,
Virgin Air…. because you’re basically drunk from the moment they pick you up. Free drinks in the shuttle, free bar at the VA Club and a BAR on the PLANE?!??!
@Hostess,
Jill Scott V. Jen Hudson
That’s not really a polarizing debate, is it?
@Sula, Yes cus the ‘naturals’ are always pro J Scott.
pork eaters vs. non-pork eaters
dancehall vs. soca
rent vs. own
NYC vs. everywhere else
to be honest the only thing I know where I stand is the pork debate. Pork bacon til I die!!
@Me fail english?, non pork..never eaten pork in my life…
OWN..why pay the same money and then not have shyt?
dancehall..
@shay_d_lady,
on the own vs. rent thing, it’s not always the same amount of money. I think everyone’s goal should be to own eventually, but considering the terms of your mortgage, property tax, maintenance, and environment it may be wiser to rent longer.
@Me fail english?, on the own vs. rent thing, it’s not always the same amount of money. I think everyone’s goal should be to own eventually, but considering the terms of your mortgage, property tax, maintenance, and environment it may be wiser to rent longer.
I was thinking about things.. for example…..tvs, vcr, furniture, cars..LOL not house v apartment..my bad..Im ghetto….
but yeah on the house v apartment thing..there is a lot more that goes into homeownership and should not be taken lightly…
@shay_d_lady,
I was thinking about things.. for example…..tvs, vcr, furniture, cars..LOL not house v apartment..my bad..Im ghetto…..
Okay this had me cracking up.
@shay_d_lady,
“I was thinking about things.. for example…..tvs, vcr, furniture, cars..LOL not house v apartment..my bad..Im ghetto….”
LMAO! This is also a good debate
@shay_d_lady,
You crack me up… on a consistent basis. You’re the bees’ knees.
@Sula, You crack me up… on a consistent basis. You’re the bees’ knees.
LMAO thanks.. i have been walking the line between the two worlds too long..the manchurian chip is starting to wear out and I cant help it sometimes…..
@Me fail english?, I think everyone’s goal should be to own eventually, but considering the terms of your mortgage, property tax, maintenance, and environment it may be wiser to rent longer.
CHUUUUCH!! I just got a new hot water tank. Owning is no joke. It’s always something. And although I love the space, and the freedom that owning offers, shelling out serious dough cuz my credit sucks everytime something breaks is craptastic.
@pgh muse,
The landscaping (assuming you have property around your home) alone is a beast! I just went with my mama to Home Depot and she picked up like $250 in flowers to plant in the yards. WTF?! That’s not even counting the shrubs and isht.
@Me fail english?, Home Depot and she picked up like $250 in flowers to plant in the yards.
I’m sooo jealous of this. Next year is THE year that my landscaping gets right… my neighbors said my ish is an eyesore cuz they have blooming bushes and ish in their front yards and all I have is plastic chairs… but dang! I have to prioritize… and flowers ain’t it. Not this year.
@Me fail english?,
This is true. You definitely have to weigh the pro/cons to your personal situation.
@Me fail english?,
“NYC vs. everywhere else”
This is the same as NYC vs. normal human life
@Humble_One,
pretty much. As a native, I’m probably not supposed to say this but, the older I get, the less I wanna be here
But I’m a city girl and once I found out about Chicago winters, Miami summers, Atlanta traffic and LA…everything. I’m staying my butt put!
@Me fail english?,
Try Houston… but the summers are worst than Miami’s…
@Me fail english?
Dancehall, who could prefer small-island music.
@An Island,
Small island people!! My people are from the lesser Antilles.
Cant front tho. Just to bump in the ride, play in the background while you cook and clean, and humorous lyrics dancehall gets it. But to get the party started, nothing’s seeing Soca.
@Me fail english?,
But to get the party started, nothing’s seeing Soca.
yes. “Stampede” anyone??
@blackberry molasses,
EHhhhh!
*waves the pitchfork (Barbados)*
@blackberry molasses,. But to get the party started, nothing’s seeing Soca.
I love Soca. Truly.
@Me fail english?
I guess we should include
Jamaicans v. Small Island People
@Me fail english?,
I am with you on the other white meat. I like pork. Sue me.
Nickelodeon vs Disney
this is especially telling if the person is 28+ because when we were small disney wasnt a part of the basic cable package… you had to pay EXTRA for it so if your parent (s) were willing to pay extra for Disney??? that says a lot LOL …I never got to see it unless it was “free preview week” ….
@shay_d_lady,
LOL!! yep, all we had was the basic and Nickelodean was great back in the day. and i only say Disney when i was at my cousin’s house b/c they had satellite…
@shay_d_lady,
I STAN for Disney. Not necessarily the channel, but Disney movies tinkle all over Nick’s. Especially since it brought out its secret weapon Pixar.
@shay_d_lady,
Although i loved Nick as a kid, i loved ren&stimpy, rugrats, & doug (and also nick jr: gula gula island, the busy world of richard scary, little bear, rupert…oh it was good times!) I’m most certainly a disney princess all the way. I’m obsessed with disney, know all the lyrics to the songs, and most of the lines to my favorite flix. I have almost all of the disney movies on vhs and all the ones they realeased on dvd so far. On a online quiz, I found that my personality is most like ariel and would challenge any1 to a disney trivia contest lol!
@shay_d_lady,
I was about to say Nickelodeon because we didn’t have Disney! LOL
Also Champ you have so redeemed yourself in my eyes! I know you were up late at night wondering how to get back in my good graces after the whole Rakim, Outkast statement..LOL
but yeah The takeover was much better than either.. to me Either was a drawn out “you ugly” response.. I made wack songs and I am a hypocrite? so, you ugly and your lips are big so there…but the track was hard.. and plus there is no diss song on EARFFFF better than Hit em UP……First off…..F1ck your set and the click you claim…LOL
@shay_d_lady,
OMG Hit em Up was THE BEST diss song ever. He said I phucked your WIFE (not baby mama, gf, jo but wife).
That beef was extra . real though. It wasn’t a show.
@V Renee,
“Hit em Up was THE BEST diss song ever”
agreed.
@V Renee,
I’m sorry, Ice Cube’s “No Vaseline” will always go down in history as my fav diss song. He basically took lyrical beef to another level. He started what we know as hip hop beef today!
@Ashley Neicole,
Ha! I was gonna say “Betch in Yoo!” esp since I totally didn’t see it coming. Then again, I was like 8 years old…
@shay_d_lady,
What about Eazy E’s “Real MF’in G’s”?
@miss t-lee, Speaking of Eazy E…
Eazy E. V. Ice Cube
NWA V. Ice Cube
Jeri Curl V. DJ Quick (Who does DJ Quick’s hair?)
@miss t-lee, What about Eazy E’s “Real MF’in G’s”?
yeah that was good one.. I almost forgot about that one
@shay_d_lady,
Hit em up? Are you serious? That wasn’t a diss song. He just cussed Biggie out for 5 minutes. There were no clever lines in that song that made you say “ooooooh he got him with that one”.
@Humble_One,
But it was a good cussin.
@Humble_One,
I agree. He left rapper mode and just went “crazy ninja” on BIG. If this was a street fight that’d be great, but as a hip hop fan, I was not impressed.
@Me fail english?, girl it was the best lyrical cussing of all times and he made it a club banger.. WHAT What…now if you gone do some name calling THATS the way to do it!
Some battles I’ve come across:
McDonalds vs. Burger King
grammar vs. grammer
Red vs. Blue
[insert direction here]side vs. [insert direction here]side
Popeyes vs. KFC
Sam’s Club vs. Cosco
Ice cubes vs. Crushed Ice
Koolaid vs. Crystal Lite
Disney vs. Nickolodeon
Backstreet Boys vs. NSYNC
Natural hair vs creamy crack
@Cheekie,
Yea, I think you pretty much summed it up. This is a fairly new one I’ve come across, and forgive me if it’s already been posted.
iPhone vs. Google Phone
*pause and breathe*
Now I just KNOW that Panama will have a ton of everything to say about this being that he’s an iPhone owner, and I am a Google phone owner so I gots lots to say as well! BUT I’ve heard some very interesting takes on both phones and one that sticks out in my mind the most is that the appeal for the iPhone is that there is an app for everything. Outside of this, it’s not really that practical. I feel there is some validity to this point (my completely
biasedunbiased opinion) but I have to say, the iPhone is definitely a lot cooler.@Ashley Neicole,
I’m also a G1 owner and the iPhone is way cooler. The only thing the G1 has on the iPhone is the keyboard, cuz sometimes those touchscreens freeze
@Me fail english?
And that’s exactly why I got the G1…well that and the 2 year death sentence, I mean contract.
@Ashley Neicole,
i’m currently debating between the two as we speak. after (almost) seven years, ive decided its finally time to put the kick to the side.
@Cheekie,
Natural hair vs creamy crack .
Hahaha. I assume creamy crack is a relaxer?
@V Renee,
Yep.
@V Renee,
Yeah, I first heard a lot of folks on the internet using it and it’s stuck ever since. What a wonderful way to describe it. lol
@Cheekie,
Ok, this should’ve been posted on the Haters post a couple of days back lol. I am a faithful creamy crack user *shakes head in a way that only a black woman can* *wags finger as well*
(only because I don’t have the time nor the energy to let it grow out)
*walks away shamefully*
@Ashley Neicole,
Girl don’t walk away shamefully! Hold your crown up high. I wear my hair natural and I see nothing wrong with you wearing a relaxer if you want to!
Do you!
@Ashley Neicole,
Yeah don’t walk away shamefully. I’m also on the creamy crack. I’m the type that says “do you”. I don’t like the naturals who are holier than thou but I also don’t like the creamy crackers (lol) that look down on the naturals. I like both kinds of hair actually.
Like my sister says, it’s not like the relaxed folks are tryin to look like Farah Fawcett. lol
@Cheekie,
And with that said, I need my hit on the regular. Sometimes I try to let the time between hits draw out, but please believe I am not quitting any time soon.
“I like to get high…Im a cr cr crackhead.”
@V Renee,
LMAO@ Gator Purify!
I usedta say this ish all the time while dancing threateningly toward my mother. She was not amused
@Me fail english?,
LMAO.
@Cheekie,
Popeyes vs. KFC
chicken – Popeyes>KFC
sides – KFC>Popeyes
@Humble_One,
sides – KFC>Popeyes
Blasphemer!!
The only good side kiffsa has are the potato wedges. And those arent even offered at every location.
Popeye’s biscuits>>>the Colonel’s life
@Me fail english?,
“The only good side kiffsa has are the potato wedges.”
Co-sign this. All that other stuff can kick rocks.
I loves me some Popeyes cajun rice.
And of course their chicken is better. KFC original recipe is some soggy crapola.
@Me fail english?,
“Popeye’s biscuits>>>the Colonel’s life”
You’ve got to be joking. Popeye’s biscuits are decent. They are a step above Pillsbury Grands biscuits.
KFC’s biscuits>Popeye’s biscuits
Oh and another one (can’t help but say that in Biggie’s snot-nosed voice).
Walgreens Vs. CVS
@Cheekie,
Definitely Walgreen’s.
I used to like Eckerd’s but now that they are CVS–they’re just weird.
@Cheekie, Walgreens definitely. CVS has carpeted floors and that makes me uncomfortable
@Kindred Smile,
“CVS has carpeted floors and that makes me uncomfortable”
HAHAHAHA!
That has to be the funniest defense for anything I’ve heard evah.
@Kindred Smile,
Imma need you to talk to a professional about this.
@Cheekie,
“(can’t help but say that in Biggie’s snot-nosed voice)”
He did always sound stuffed up like he needed to blow his nose or hock up a loogie.
@V Renee,
I always imagined him having food stuck in his throat.
@Cheekie,
Gimme CVS…
ok, it’s my turn…
* checks mic *
American vs. foreign (cars)
Wii vs. Playstation
Nintendo vs. Sega (old school)
Sweet tea vs. Lemonade
NC Barbeque vs. Texas Barbeque vs. Kansas City Barbeque vs. Memphis, etc….
french fries vs. onion rings
public school vs. private school vs. home school
The Ohio State University vs. Michigan
The Ohio State University vs. everyone else in the Big 10
@N.I.A. naturally….,
Texas Barbeque
Sweet Tea
@N.I.A. naturally….,
“Nintendo vs. Sega (old school)”
Wow, I love it. Can’t believe I forgot to add this. I was a Sega-head. I think it was because Sega was black and Nintendo was white.
Mortal Kombat was the best. Wow, I stan for that game so hard.
Which segues to:
Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter
@Cheekie,
Aw this is difficult one.
I think I’ma hafta roll with Mortal Kombat though…lol
@Cheekie,
definitely Mortal Kombat….
@Cheekie, Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter might be the most difficult debate I’ve come across today. I’m gonna have to sit this one out
@Kindred Smile, i think that one depends on what your looking for.
Fatalities and over all blood spurting and gore?
hands down MK
but if your looking for an engine that plays like martial artist actually fight then its SF.
now for the nail in the coffin. SF4 SH*TS on that DC MK bs. imean just all the way over it SPRAY f@rts and everything. Graphics, combos, EX, Super and Ultra system. SF4 took that 10 years off, made a solid game and put MK’s d!ck in the dirt.
Word Life.
@Cheekie,
K, for all you Mortalk Kombat-heads. I gotta settle this battle I’ve been having for years:
Mileena vs. Kitana
(I’m a Mileena girl)
lol
@Cheekie, See, I was all ready to call you my play cousin, and here you go messing it all up. Kitana wins, hands down. She shanked hoes left and right and didn’t thank twice about it. Also? She had a Kiss of Death, mayne! No contest.
@Kindred Smile,
LOL…Dude Mileena had Baracka teef. And she ATE people.
I always liked the evil people. Like Scorpion. Get over heeeerrrrrre.
@Cheekie,
Ima have to roll with Mortal Kombat too.
Scorpion’s “Get over here” sealed the deal.
@Cheekie,
MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
at least until Tekken came along.
@N.I.A. naturally….,
what about playstation vs. xbox? I’m all over that!
I’m a video game whore lol.
@Ashley Neicole,
dang, i forgot about xbox!! i’ll take the playstation 2 over the xbox…only b/c my ex had a PS2 and his roomie had an xbox, and he always wanted to play with my man’s playstation…(pause)
@N.I.A. naturally….,
LMAO @ the pause…
Yea I was a playstationer as well until my ex introduced me to the 360 and the art of getting achievements….girl I live for the gamerpoints!
@Ashley Neicole,
Oh, yeah, that was a war. I was down with Playstation.
Anyone remember Sega Dreamcast? That joint had like 12 games total and lasted like a month. lol That wasn’t even a fair fight between Playstation and XBox.
@Cheekie,
Dreamcast was better than PS2 and XBox.
@Humble_One,
GET OUTTA HERE! I had a Dreamcast and I don’t remember one game I had on it lol.
@Ashley Neicole,
I KNOW! I remember my cousin used to trade in games just because one console may have a game that wasn’t on the others. He had dreamcast for like a hot minute because there were no other games on it so he traded it for another console.
He was a mess, though. He stretched out his Nintendo 64 for like 3 other consoles. He just kept switching them up just to play certain games. Trife. And genius at the same time.
@Ashley Neicole,
You must of had wack games. The 2K series started on Dreamcast. Dreamcast also had Marvel vs. Capcom, Shenmue, and Soul Caliber. Plus you had a controller with a portable video game system in it. You must have got Dreamcast on its decline.
@Cheekie,
Yep my lil’ brother had a dreamcast.
@N.I.A. naturally….,
O-State all day everyday. And don’t forget the THE . before saying the name.
@N.I.A. naturally…., American vs. foreign (cars)
I’ve had three cars in my life, 2 American, one foreign. My foreign was a Saab Turbo 9000 Griffin Edition and I LOVED that car. Still love it. It was a ’93 although I owned it in like 2001. That car RAN like a dream, it actually still runs, but got sooo expensive to repair that I had to let it go. No American car I’ve had ran like that Saab (I swear that car was amazing and I got it from an auction) but American cars are much cheaper for repairs.
@pgh muse,
My one foreign car worked much better than the 3 American ones that I’ve had.
Trust…whenever this one bites the dust, I’m going back foreign.
@pgh muse,
Everyone keeps saying that the Americn cars are better now (better than they were, not better than the imports) but I’d love to know which ones. By all accounts they still suck meat. My sis’ 96 Camry JUST gave out on her this year. That joint got like 200k light-years on it too.
My homegirl’s mom’s ’01 Malibu has been dead since like ’05.
This is why I drive a Honda. Cheap repairs, good resale, great performance
@Me fail english?,
I kept my ’92 Honda Accord all through college AND a couple of years into the work force. That baby had more than 200K’s on it and I had nary a problem with it. I bought it from the original owner… It broke my heart when she finally gave in… *sigh*…
Great debates…here’s my stance so that you can paint a picture of who I am:
*Jay-Z – although “Ether” was pretty hott
*PC – I don’t want to learn the new methods of operating a Mac…boooo!!
*Natural – I wear extensions now…but I’m all natural underneath!!
*Destination Cities – you know there’s a good time somewhere
*Grocery Store Chains – quick, easy, and to the point
*Kobe Bryant – “SLAM DUNK GI-ANT…outplay the KOB…son don’t try IT!!
*smooches*
@Mal, lol…dont fall into the scheme the windows folks are running on yall. After the total trainwreck Vista was revealed to be in the first 2 months it was out (it was a truly pitiful OS) i went Mac.
Macs are EASIER TO USE than PC’s.
How can that be true? Well ill tell you. Macs are designed for people that have nearly no programing knowledge or any of the like. They are designed for the functionality of everyday people. It gives you almost all of what you need and almost nothing you don’t choose to install.
It will change your life. So serious.
@ESQuared,
I’m a Mac, and I approve this message….
@N.I.A. naturally….,
Ditto… I hear people say all the time how they don’t want to learn how to use a computer all over again but it really is so intuitive.
Just this morning I sent my cousin a birthday e-mail with the new stationery in Mail and while I was thinking about how to resize the picture, I just instinctively double-clicked and voila!
It really is THAT easy!
@Mal,
welcome and sh*t, and, since you’re a professed kobe fan (and kobe-esque rapper) bye and sh*t
1. PC
I hate Mac and everything they stand for, althought I damn near cried when my Ipod broke recently.
2. NBA
If I wanted to watch legalized slavery I’d hop in my time machine and travel back to the 1700s
3. I don’t care.
Where your hair how you like, just don’t expect me to finance the upkeep, or keep my hands to myself when we’re chexing.
4. Beyonce
Alicia Keys has the buttocks of a white woman. While she is still very attractive, that is a drawback. Plus, she seems a wee bit crazy.
5. Any place I can afford to live.
6. I shop at Sav-A-Lot. Nuff said.
My bad, switch up 4 and 5.
Other pointless debates.
Pro-life vs. Pro choice
Pac vs. Biggie
Doggiestyle vs. Missionary
@Big Man,
Alicia Keys has the buttocks of a white woman. While she is still very attractive, that is a drawback. Plus, she seems a wee bit crazy.
the evolution of her hindparts intrigue me.
@Big Man, I shop at Sav-A-Lot. Nuff said.
LMAO!!! I love Sav-A-Lot. I shop at a variety of stores… for various things, but I LOVES me some Sav-A-Lot… they have the BEST shells and cheese. The best. Hands down.
prince vs. michael
kanye vs. drake
starbucks vs. McCafe
the gym vs. p90x
gas grill vs charcoal grill
dunks vs air force 1′s
polo vs hilfiger (polo won)
bmw vs mercedes
halle berry vs paula patton
macy gray vs rain pryor (in terms of fugliness)
seasoned fries vs steak fries/regular fries
boyz n da hood vs menace 2 society
ghostface vs method man
lights on vs lights off
heels on vs bare feetses
kobe vs lebron
49′ers vs cowboys
bo jackson vs barry sanders
cnn vs msnbc vs faux news
patron vs grey goose
sprite vs 7up
kickball vs four-square
he-man vs thundercats
republicans vs democrats
peyton manning vs tom brady
@SouthernCharm,
ooooh Kanye vs Drake, that’s a good one.
@Ashley Neicole,
exactly… kanye in terms of catalogue & production skills. drake might have more raw talent (imagine drake singing the 808′s album)
@SouthernCharm,
He would have a new groupie (as if I’m not already his closet groupie) if he sang that album!
@Ashley Neicole,
ooooh Kanye vs Drake, that’s a good one.
is this really a debate? fans of drake seem to also be fans of kanye
@The Champ, ooooh Kanye vs Drake, that’s a good one.
I dont think you can debate on potential. What has drake done at this point to even really be considered in the discussion? we love to hop on some quote unquote new shyt and be disappointed. Put out a few hot albums and then we can discuss….
@SouthernCharm,
and kickball vs four square….four square was the shat!
@SouthernCharm,
i cant comment on Prince vs Michael. They are both Legends.
Kanye V. Drake. NONSENSE. Drake hasnt even released his first album if im not mistaken. Yet people are all on his jock. While Kanye (apart from that abysmal 808′s and Heartbreak) has been a beast. Its Kanye.
Dunks kinda beat Forces on the mere merits that Dunks have more style and color choices (not saying anything bad about Forces im just a dunk and 6.0 kinda guy)
BMW wins over Mercedes . i dont care if you like the style or what ever BMW’s are better cars under the hood and on the road.
GFK v Method man. They are both fantastic in their own right. but ive honestly got to go with Ghost on this one. Supreme, Bulletproof, Iron man / Linx?
Say Word.
LMAO at HE-Man V Thunder Katz
but i think if you stack the 2 teams against each other the animals would have a serious problem on their hands. lol
@ESQuared,
you gotta choose. prince or michael? i’m going with michael. prince is the better artist, but michael had the greatest impact.
kanye hands down, but drake has more raw talent.
i’m conflicted on dunks vs air forces
beamer’s all the way
i gotta roll with ghostdini a.k.a. the wallabee champ
voltron vs ronin warriors?
@SouthernCharm,
What the hell is 4 square? I feel like I may have missed out on my childhood.
“gas grill vs charcoal grill”
My parents got a gas grill with special “charcoal-flavored” chips and I can’t say I miss the old grill. Definitely don’t miss the cleanup. Though jerk chicken is best done in a real pit.
@Me fail english?,
*stares blankly*
You don’t know what 4 square is?
@Ashley Neicole,
*Takes ball and goes home*
@Me fail english?,
*follows Me fail english? down the street*
@Ashley Neicole,
Hmph. I just looked up this smelly game on Wiki and it stinks! Kickball>4squares, but…
Dodgeball pwns all! Cuz if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
@Me fail english?,
Wiki’s version doesn’t not do this game justice.
Trust and believe!!!!
@SouthernCharm,
kickball vs four-square
4 square.
@
Oh yeah and GFK all day!
@SouthernCharm, Bare feetses!!! LOL
@SouthernCharm,
P90x kicks the llamas azz… especially since I got it for next to nothing off of cragislist. and once you get done with it, you can take those refined workouts to the gym and change up your regular routine. Yes, I’m a “Tony” groupie!
Heels make EVERYTHING hotter!
Kickball ALL DAY. Only ‘squares’ play 4 Square.
Thundercats and voltron. ONLY. Everything is is whackness personified.
Oh, and gas grill only because charcoal has been linked to colon cancer.
@SouthernCharm,
Whoo! Those are very good debates!
starbucks vs. McCafe… I like McCafe just for the commercial genius that it is… I don’t even drink coffee.
the gym vs. p90x… That’s a tough one… I can make arguments for both, but P90x is slightly ahead…
@Big Man,
“If I wanted to watch legalized slavery I’d hop in my time machine and travel back to the 1700s”
Last time I checked, slaves were not offered an opportunity to go to college, let alone get most (if not all) of their tuition paid.
Last time
@iloV.E.G.rits,
This is a crock of bs and you know it
@Dorian G.,
I don’t think so. If you want to make money, you don’t HAVE to play ball. Nobody is forcing anyone to play sports. So the slavery comparison doesn’t work for me. And I’d think folks would be grateful for the free(dang near free) education.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
That doesn’t make any sense. You have two separate corporate conglomerates (collusion?) forcing their labor to bend to their needs, and robbing them of millions of dollars in the process. Then on top of that you make a spectacle of the forced labor, make millions of dollars in the process, then say oh yeah you got a free education. GTFOH!
@Dorian G.,
Gotta agree with VEG here. Can’t say it’s forced when these HS prospects are trying to impress recruiters.
If I was talented enough to get a free education just for doing what I love (eating copious amounts of bacon) I’d jump at the chance. Also, most schools dont make that much off merchandising/licensing. Further, the ones that do, only a handful of the kids on the team are the real money makers. Aside from the McDonald’s all-americans, how many guys off the UNF 08-09 roster can the average ball fan name. I’d guess not many, though they (the lesser known players) reap the benefits of UNC largesse too.
@Me fail english?,
But thats exactly the point. For people like the Champ, and some of my dudes from back home, NCAA is an absolute god-send. You get to go to school for free and play a little ball while you’re at it.
However, for people with aspirations of actually being a professional ball player, its a crock of bs. Forcing the best players to go to school only benefits the two corporations, the NCAA and the NBA. The NCAA makes THAT much money off these kids. The BCS deal that ESPN just bought was in the billions. Conferences make millions for each team that does well and its spread all over the conference. Pretty much all the rich white guys in suits come up. The NBA makes money two ways. 1. More merchandise money from established names, 2. Less contract money that has to be paid out because the players play a shorter amount of time (individual team owners come up this way).
Basketball and Football are the only two industries where this happens, the laborers are forced to perform for free. Go tell Miley Cyrus to do a world tour and she’ll go to Yale for free and see how far that gets you.
@Me fail english?,
I see what you’re saying re: players that are league-ready straight out of HS. Why create value for a corporation that’s not paying you.
I still agree with VEG that some of these players, as good as they are on the small stage, they’re just not ready to fish in the big pond… yet(eg. Thabeet)
@Dorian G.,
College is also a place to refine your game. There are hella big time HS ball players who need some extra time to hone their skills. Clearly, not everyone is ready to go straight to the NBA. So they aren’t being forced to go to school, they are being trained. If your game IS that tight, put in your three years, try not to get hurt and then enter the draft. If you get DO drafted but end up getting hurt early in your career or completely sucking, at least you got a FREE head start on an education.
Besides, college is the BEST way for these guys to learn that ball is a business and the business doesn’t care about them.
I maintain: free education = payment.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
But you’re wrong on both counts. 3 of the 5 best players in the league are high schoolers, if you expand it, 7 of the best 10 never went to college. Melo is a one and done, so really CP3 and Wade are the only top tier stars that went to college.
I think most people will agree that Lebron and Kobe are also two of the better business men in the league and we’ve all seen Dwight Howard in those commercials flashing that million dollar smile. None of these guys went to college. Lebron and Wade are 3 years in age apart, yet they’ve made the same amount of money in the league and looking to their 3rd contract each. For Wade that will be his last big payday, but Lebron will still have one more left. So tell me why Lebron, who is the best player in the league, most marketable pitch man, and second youngest MVP ever, should have been forced to play for free again?
@iloV.E.G.rits,
I agree. Scholarship, free housing, and tuition equals payment. If college players would start getting paid then are we going to say they should pay high school students because schools make money off of high school games. You are supposed to play a sport because you like it, and getting a free ride is a bonus. You are armed with and education and an opportunity to show off for NBA scouts, if you don’t go to the NBA you get name recognition and can find a job anywhere because of alum. supporters. Sounds like a win-win opportunity to me.
@DorianG,
“3 of the 5 best players in the league are high schoolers, if you expand it, 7 of the best 10 never went to college.”
But look at what a tiny percentage that is. So all the other mo fos who avg. 8-10 minutes a game in the NCAA should get a check on top of their tuition?
I don’t think so.
I get your point, I do…but looking at the big picture, a free college education is nothing to complain about. People WISH they could go to school for free. A lot of these guys, truth be told, wouldn’t see a college if it weren’t for ball. And they wanna look a gift horse in a mouth? They are getting a great deal, imo.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
I think you’re misunderstanding my point. First of all, no one should be forced to play college ball, or better yet no one should be banned from entering the NBA for an age limit. Secondly, no one should be banned from getting paid to play college ball. Should the 12th man at Appalachian State get a check, probably not. Should he have the opportunity to ask for one, absolutely. If you can earn, and schools are willing to pay you (and we all know they will be for certain players, since they do it now under the table in some instances) why is it illegal?
damn, both sides laid out compelling arguments and sh*t. like i said upthread, though, i’m still ambivalent about this issue. i can see the reasoning behind both stances
one question: for the people in support of paying the players somehow, how would they get paid?
would all division one athletes get the same amount, or would the pay be in tiers dependent on school size and revenue?
(for instance, if you ball at an ACC school you get 500 a month, while cats from the metro atlantic or the mid-american get 300)
@The Champ,
No I won’t even do that. Like I said above everyone does not deserve to get paid, even if you play in the ACC.
Why not just keep it open and see what happens. For example Duke and NC State are battling for this kid John Wall right now. Everyone knows he’s probably a one and done guy, and he’ll play in the league (how good he’ll be is up to him and God). Why can’t a NC State booster say you know what? We haven’t been relevant in almost two decades and this kid could single handedly give us the ACC, plus help our recruiting down the line, plus he will fill up that new arena we got a couple years ago. John I’ll offer you $50,000 for every year you play here, a bonus $25,000 for an ACC title, and a bonus $100,000 if we win the whole thing.
Why is that not allowed?
@Dorian G.,
oh snap. You talking real money. H.e.l.l. to the no. lol.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
Memphis got $10 million, plus whatever merchandise and ticket money, plus a 15% bump in applications following their run to the finals last year. So Derek Rose wasn’t worth $150k to them?
@Dorian G.,
But can you imagine the hate it would cause among teammates alone, not to mention kids on academic scholarships, to hear dude is getting free tuition AND 150k?
His campus experience would not be pleasant.
@Dorian G.,
So we should ban payments to players as to not hurt their peers feelings? Got it.
I can’t wrap my head around people that claim to be basketball fans, yet prefer NCAA over the NBA*
Its like claiming to enjoy beef, yet liking SPAM over a prime cut steak.
*Except for people from non NBA cities that went to the following institutions: UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke. Thats it thats the list.
@Dorian G.,
***nodding head***
Alise vs. Luvvie – the epic hair battles will never end, NEVER: http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2009/05/dry-hairhat-battle-iv.html
Implants vs. Au Naturale :
McDonald’s Fries vs. The World
@Naturally Alise,
you two are the hairhatfield and mccoy of the internerts
@The Champ,
Hmm… I typically take something as offense if I don’t know what it means. But this sounds like a title I may enjoy holding. I’ll allow it.
Oh, I forgot the most heated battle of them all in my family:
Batman vs. Superman.
Batman wins. When he crossed over to Superman’s cartoon series, he could beat his villains up WITHOUT powers. Done.
@Cheekie,
Yessss I must say I agree with you there. No superhuman skills at all??? AND he’s smart? AND he’s rich? Sounds like a winner to me….I’d jump over the race fence for a piece of that.
@Cheekie,
Batman beats Superman with one hand behind his back.
Superman is too much of a boyscout. I mean really… you’re flawless? You’re also un-relatable.
Bruce Wayne beats Clark Kent. Period. Besides… anyone who watched Kill Bill Vol. 2 will understand my fundamental aversion to Clark Kent. Clark is Superman’s commentary on humanity. In summation- he thinks we suck.
Batman is a friggin genius and kicks a$$ without special powers.
Batman’s adversaries are way cooler. They’re all “totured geniuses”… they had good intentions but were corrupted by a combination of their intentions and society. In fact, they are a commentary on how society can create its own ills. Lex Luthor is just a sociopath.
Batman gets Catwoman and sometimes Poison Ivy or Harley Quinn… and Bruce gets amazingly beautiful socialites. Superman gets… Lois Lane.. Clark pines for Lois Lane? Puh-leeze!
@blackberry molasses,
You are pure gold for this entire post. And ‘word’ on the Kill Bill Vol 2 thesis.
Word is bond sort of like I wouldn’t date a naturally skanky looking sombody out of fear that mykids would look like that. mh even thought there are lots of pretty parents w/ ugly kids. Funny I think I love my yet to be concieved kids too much. When somethings go south in my relationships. I get to thinking would I want to feel like this around my kids… ?
For Nigerians & Africans:
*Jollof Rice vs. Fried Rice
*Fufu vs. Pounded Yam
*Igbo vs. Yoruba
*West Africa (the Fresh Coast) vs. East Africa?
*Spinach stew vs. Regular Stew
Discuss
@Luvvie,
East Africa. There is wild life there.
@iloV.E.G.rits,
We ain’t talkin bout which would be best for a Discovery Channel expose *shots fired*. tee hee
@Luvvie,
You shooting blanks, pookie.
Ummm…the big six vs. what?
East African vacation can include: the coast, the city, the village and a safari.
One extra thing to do.
Besides, West Africans particularly YO PEOPLE, sold other Africans into slavery. There I said it.
*you know I want to go to the West…just so happened my first trip to the continent was to the East side*
@Luvvie,
*cracks knuckles*
Jollof ALL DAY ERRY DAY and THRICE on SUNDAY. Believe dat!
I think pounded yams are cool… but fufu is THA BEES KNEES!! With some light soup…. gah!! I’m going to mammies for dinner tonight.
I can’t enter into tribal debates considering I’m a mutt. My mother is Ga and my father is Ewe… our home is WAR. Nuff said.
C’mon now, is this even a question? WEST COAST IS THE BEST COAST! (and we ain’t got no pirate problems…)
I makes a mean spinach stew. Regular stew is just… regular. But spinach stew with boiled or roasted plantain?? WHAT?? I just died of gastronomic happiness…
@blackberry molasses, When is this spinach stew next on the menu? Since we live so close, i’m just saying…
@blackberry molasses,
My mother is Ga and my father is Ewe…
Too funny! It’s like at my grandparents house… My grandma is a true blood Fanti… and my grandfather comes from the best of Nzima… The conversations are hilarious I tell ya.
@Sula,
mmkay. no offense but Fanti kenke stinks to me. my parents STAN for it… or STUN for it… till diabeetus came along. it smells too sweet. what is that leaf they use?
@Luvvie,
“For Nigerians & Africans”
Aren’t Nigerians Africans?
@iloV.E.G.rits,
No, we better.
@Dorian G.,
LMAO.
I thought only north Africans and some (read most) Ethiopians took that stance. Not you, too!
@Dorian G.,
excuse me, eh?
Proceed DIRECTLY to the Sat Down Corner.
kthnx.
@Dorian G.,
Yeah Right!
@iloV.E.G.rits,
Well I didn’t wanna put just “Africans” since a couple of those are specific to Nigeria.
And… what Dorian said. :-p
@Luvvie,
For Nigerians & Africans:
*Jollof Rice vs. Fried Rice
I’ll take Jollof rice aka Thieboo Jen
*Fufu vs. Pounded Yam
Fufu, please and thank you. Pounded Yam is way more work than it is worth.
*Igbo vs. Yoruba
*blank stare*…. errr, I have more Igbo friends than Yoruba ones, but I have been mostly enamored with Yoruba men… I don’t know where that puts me.
*West Africa (the Fresh Coast) vs. East Africa?
The Fresh Coast representing all the way through… We rawk!!!
*Spinach stew vs. Regular Stew
Another good one… I like everything spinach so gimme spinach stew…
Discuss
I did.
Oooh… I got one.
Cypress Hill v. Beastie Boys.
discuss.
@blackberry molasses,
I’m trying to figure out why I can’t even call this one.
*Team Chunk, if you’re in the house –> Lane Bryant v. Ashley Stewart v. Avenue
Also…
Dr Pepper v. Mr. Pibb
Kool-Aid v. Wyler’s v. Fla-vor-aid
Hennessy v. Remy Martin v. Courvoisier [sp]
@rainebeaux,
*Team Chunk, if you’re in the house –> Lane Bryant v. Ashley Stewart v. Avenue
LMAO!!! Oh we in the house…
based on quality and style alone, I gotta roll with LB
@miss t-lee,
iono… LB seems to be getting a little…. matronly. I mean, everyone has their best seasons, but I’m not impressed with the summer. Notatall.
Now, Torrid… overpriced… YES. but FUNKAY? OH H3LLS Yes! **caveat** I’m a funky chick and work in an environment that encourages and rewards my funky.
As far as AS is concerend, they need to up the quality, especially of the sweaters, and the cut/fit of dresses. But I have walked away from there with cute CASUAL clothes. Not professional.
I ain’t never walked my ample yet shapely rear in Avenue. No intentions any time soon.
@blackberry molasses,
Don’t sleep on Ave. They are good on basic pieces, and I do mean BASIC pieces.
Torrid…I can’t get with them, they cut them pants for girls who ain’t got no junk…so it’s a no bueno for ya girl.
@miss t-lee,
I normally don’t buy their pants, but my baby just bought me a pair of jeans that fit like a dream and are super cute. Their pencil skirts are the bizzomb though
And the moral of the story (and today’s post) is:
It’s ‘Pop’.
@Cheekie,
I heart you.
fin.
@Cheekie,
The first time I heard someone ask me to pass them a “pop”… I blinked and blank stared them… I am sure that old lady must’ve thought “Ooh, chile, that African girl xx brought to the BBQ sho’ is slow” as I had NO idea what a “pop” was.
@Sula,
I had NO idea what a “pop” was.
that’s b/c it’s soda. shhh…don’t tell anybody, though.