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People say that what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. And I wholeheartedly agree with that statement.
I’ve been to Vegas.
Well, I also think that same logic applies to jail. What happens in jail stays in jail unless you were shanked by somebody, in which case the statute of limitations on returning the favor is pretty much unlimited.
However, given the circumstances of those men who are placed in jail for extremely long sentences, a question becomes evident to me:
Is it acceptable for a man to be gay in jail?
Umm…not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Think about this: people need personal interaction to live in this world. I don’t care how much of a loner you are; we all need some skin-on-skin action in our lives. That’s what prostitutes are for, to provide a service when you can’t get any skin-on-skin action from anywhere else. Much like video h*es, prostitutes don’t get enough credit for the service they provide to humanity.
Why would this change in jail? Especially when you have to spend years in a place where the only female might be a prison guard who is only sleeping with the death row inmates.
[***DISCLAIMER: Before we go any further, let me clear few things up. I'm not gay, nor do I live a gay lifestyle...not that there's anything wrong with living a gay lifestyle. I'm not even a metro-sexual. In fact, I'm still confused as to what a metro-sexual means since my take means almost gay, just doesn't know it yet. Once again, not that there's anything wrong with that. I have no problem with gay people, gay marriage, pink, flamingos, or John Legend. Nor do I plan on going to jail. I just think it’s an interesting topic. ***]
Of course, the other side of the game is this — what happens when he gets out? Would it be okay if he was gay in jail for, say, 7 years, and then wasn’t gay when he got out? Now, this is in direct conflict with the notion that people are born gay. Then again, jail is in direct conflict with the notion of a mixed genitalia world.
And what with EVERY woman thinking that EVERY man is either gay, gay-curious, or just DL anyway, the thought that its acceptable to say a black man can be gay in jail and come home and be un-gay might make me eligible to be incinerated at a Ponderosa Steak House — which is similar to being burned at a stake, only not at all.
But back to the point, is it even possible for a man to be gay in jail and actually come back out and live a heterosexual life? From a “desire” standpoint? I have no clue. And maybe that is where the answer lies. But…Donnie McClurkin was gay and he turned his life around.
Hmm…that was a judgmental statement that assumed that being gay means your life isn’t going in the right direction being as we only use the term “turned your life around” when referring to any negativity that you pursued prior. I mean when was the last time you heard somebody say, “wow, that Jim sure turned his life around” in reference to somebody going from being a God-fearing Christian to a Satan worshiping cat-screwer?
So, let me rephrase. Donnie McClurkin became — un-gay.
Do we believe that a gay man can become un-gay and not lust after the pleasures of the manflesh?
Like I said, I don’t know the answer.
However, for sake of argument, and assuming that a man could become ungay after leaving jail, assuming also that he would be eligible for parole at some point during his prison sentence, but not before at least 5 years…
…is it acceptable for a man to be gay in prison?
And to throw fuel on the fire, would you (women out there) date a man if you knew he was “prison gay”?
-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST
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to me, gay is a state of mind. so when a guy goes and f*cks other dudes in the can, i look at it as he had no other choice. when he comes out and f*cks women again, he’s just going back to his nature. you have to work with what you’ve got.
i wouldn’t want to date a guy who was “prison gay” because he’s probably got a higher risk of some STI. that would also be one hell of an awkward discussion… “soo umm who was your last partner…”
“so when a guy goes and f*cks other dudes in the can, i look at it as he had no other choice.”
I beg to differ. Lefty & Righty are ALWAYS choices. If he gets creative, he could become a janitor so he’d have access to the prison vacuum cleaner. As Tim Gunn says, he could “Make it Work”.
P.S. Tim Gunn is one of my FAVE gays. I heart him.
Tim Gunn is AWESOME…”Holla at cha boy”:–season 5′s new catch phrase.
I love me some Tim Gunn too
Glad to see Im not the only one waiting for tonight at 9!
I went to a catholic highschool (which could also be seen as a form of prison) and we had to take this class (when a few girls were coming up pregnant and being shipped away from “general population” to “pregnant school”.
The class was rather controversial for a catholic school. like sex ed on steroids. But in the beginning the class focused on sublimation.
This should be a prison requirement. If you have sexual urges: read a dam#n book, write a dam#n book,pray to Allah/God/Buddah, get a degree, make sandwich…the list goes on and on.
…but do not put your thag in ANY man’s Orifice.
Now if you are gay (and they should have to take a test). Please don’t ask me about the test. But it would be written by: The queer eye for the straight guys, Dolce and Gabana, Michael Kors, Ru Paul, and Neil Patrick Harris. And should they score 60% or better they go to special population.
wait? neil patrick harris is gay??
“wait? neil patrick harris is gay??”
you’re kidding, right? he’s gayer than christmas morning
He’s been gay…
There are rainbows who think Neil Patrick Harris needs to “man up”
Neil Patrick Harris was outed in the late 90′s by Perez Hilton i think. and he’s been in a monogomous relationship for the past 4 years. I think he’s in the lateste issue of Out magazine.
I was watching Sesame Street yesterday, and Doogie was on there playing a SINGING SHOE FAIRY. I kid you not. On my mama!
The shoe CLEARLY fit, and he put it on.
he was funny in the Harold n Kumar movies
Wow. Prison Gay? That’s new.
Yeahhhh. As much as I love Donnie, I don’t think I would really be itchin to go down the formerly gay path. That would take a very strong woman, and I am not so sure that woman is me? lol.
“That would take a very strong woman, and I am not so sure that woman is me”
I totally agree. I know the woman is not me. lol
‘Wow. Prison Gay? That’s new.”
lol, i’m still mad p titled the entry “sweetmeat”
i’m still mad p titled the entry “sweetmeat”’
LOL
LOL…i got that title from a Dolemite movie, Disco Godfather. One of the dudes in the movie’s name was Sweetmeat.
Just seemed appropos for today’s topic.
Wow…I haven’t seen that movie in years…lol
Ummm….prison. man. + life = gay.
No, I dunno…here’s a question for you Panama; if you had life in prison and not a chance of seeing the the cold but enjoyable world again would you just masturbate and dream happy pornographic thoughts or how would you manage?
I think the men try to stay sane, but life….that’s hard rocks.
“but life….that’s hard rocks.”
exactly
Count me in the “hand-le it myself system”.
Then again, i’m lightskint, skinny, and cute…its best for me to stay as far away from prison as possible.
LMAO that you just called yourself cute.
“it’s called esteem of my mothersmurfin’ self”
aaqaahahahahhaa
Then again, i’m lightskint, skinny, and cute…its best for me to stay as far away from prison as possible.
calling yourself “cute” in prison will definitely have you holding some brotha’s pocket before you even get your inmate ID number!
exactly my point.
…is it acceptable for a man to be gay in prison?
If a man is gay in prison then he’s gay and there’s nothing wrong with. But, he can’t leave jail and just become hetereosexual. Its not a switch that you can turn on and off. I’m a woman and if I was sent to jail, then I would instantly turn celibate until my sentence was over. There’s no way that I would ever be with a woman just because I couldn’t be with a man.
And to throw fuel on the fire, would you (women out there) date a man if you knew he was “prison gay”?
Nope! Not happening. To me prison gay = gay. You can’t just be gay while you’re in prison.
“I’m a woman and if I was sent to jail, then I would instantly turn celibate until my sentence was over.”
what if your sentence never ended?
thats one of the things i would consider BEFORE i do some foolywang that’d get me put away indefinitely…
‘foolywang’
kinda like tomfoolery huh? LOL
you know, as much as i’d like to say “amen” to this…there have been WAY too many “mistakenly convicted and freed after 27 years” cats out there for me think i even really control this.
With the majority of them being in Dallas.
dayum shame.
shay – “foolywang” my ni99a? you are definitely a TX representer…THANK YOU!!
lol i would be glad to represent TX if i wasnt FROM BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. sorry, lol
where you learn that one of the nake cowboy’s songs in time square? lol
foolywang…that’s my word for real right there!
Not so sure I would be with an ex-con, period… (again)
Good point!
hey, you would be surprised… i know people who haev been away for 10+ years and have adjusted so well you wouldnt know unless they told you… sheet happens.
I’ve been with a ‘well adjusted’ “former state captive” and I figured it out without being told over time…. that is jsut not a piece of Samsonite I want to deal deal with, maybe the next chick, but not da kid!
LOL @ “former state captive”
I am NOT sorry when I say Donnie McClurkin needs more people. Shoot, I think he needs the WHOLE million man march to verify that he is, in fact, UN-Gay (hmm…he would prolly like that).
Him & GAl Reynolds need to stop playing bald-headed games. How have you become a reformed hetero? Holy water aint THAT strong. Besides, although its easier said than done, I just wish people would embrace that part of themselves if that is the case.
Ok now that I’ve gotten that off my chest. I must say that one must expect that any man who has been in prison for a long period of time should be expected to have had some sexual contact with another man (whether willing or not). Shoot, murderers and rapists need love (i mean, SEX) too. Well, I’m sure the rapists helped themselves… *chuckles*
Umm… where was I going with this? Eh, I don’t remember.
“Shoot, I think he needs the WHOLE million man march to verify that he is, in fact, UN-Gay (hmm…he would prolly like that).”
**chuckling**
I don’t think becoming an “ungay” like Donnie and ninjas that hit it in jail are the same thing and then are we talking about ninjas taking or giving it cause once you have been penetrated there is no coming back from that! On A side note f*Ck donnie! oh and I wouldnt date an ungay or jail gay
Well the po’ souls that were forcefully penetrated need a “Pass Go & Collect $200″ Pass. They can’t be deemed “gay” now b/c they couldn’t fight off Bubba or Tiny (who is ironically huge).
YAY for my shirt quote being voted on!!!! “I am an asshole and I’m okay with that”.
*shucks and jives in glee*
Luvvie me too…
“i’m an asshole and i ‘m ok with that.”
salute!
“Donnie McClurkin became — un-gay.”
Lies always make me giggle!
Ahem, anyway, what is up with the lack of gay male commenters on VSB? Panama, you ain’t tell your Morehouse friends you had a website? ZING! BAM! BOOM! Hi-YO! HUZZAH!
I don’t so much see myself with a man who was incarcerated for more than a brief, BRIEF spell over something like a protest gone awry (though singer Steph Jones was in a French jail for a while longer and I want to have so many babies for him). And part of the reason for that would be the post-traumatic stress syndrome that would occur and CLEARLY someone who ended up in a “gay whilst away” situation would have that problem. I also wouldn’t date a man who fought in Iraq. Shoot, being Black In America is problematic enough.
“ZING! BAM! BOOM! Hi-YO! HUZZAH!”
Ok I CACKLED at your bootleg sound effects. I immediately pictured the old Batman & Robin cartoon. “KABLAMO!! POW!!”
“I also wouldn’t date a man who fought in Iraq.”
Shoot, why go all the way to Iraq. I’d BARELY date a guy from ATL. Unless he got references and I can do a background check that he ain’t been creeping w/ another meatpacker.
Add DC to that list…
Sister Toldus:
“And part of the reason for that would be the post-traumatic stress syndrome that would occur and CLEARLY someone who ended up in a “gay whilst away” situation would have that problem. I also wouldn’t date a man who fought in Iraq.”
so if you (Sister Toldya) suffered from post traumatic stress syndrome of any kind for any reason:
would u consider urself undateable for a person of ur current standard status etc.???????
I would date a man who had PSTD from other issues (getting shot, assaulted, witnessing a killing, etc) but I think a prisoner who had served significant time would have probably experienced more than I could handle. And WHAT WAS HE DOIN IN JAIL IN THE FIRST PLACE? Mumia is a political prisoner, most n*ggas are not.
And my Iraq thing is as much a fear of war-induced PTSD as it is my pacificsm and disagreement with fighting for the USA.
So, to answer your question: if I went to jail or Iraq, yes, I would be undateable by MY current standard lol.
“Mumia is a political prisoner, most n*ggas are not.”
not to be excessively nitpicky, but mumia isnt a political prisoner.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT!
And, actually, wouldn’t we say that the fact that his conviction has not yet been overturned (despite a glut of evidence proving that he is innocent) is political? Whatever, you know what I meant!
“Whatever, you know what I meant!”
lol…point taken, sister t
Ahem, anyway, what is up with the lack of gay male commenters on VSB? Panama, you ain’t tell your Morehouse friends you had a website? ZING! BAM! BOOM! Hi-YO! HUZZAH!
Holy ish…lol!!!!
hey sister toldja check it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DONNIE_MCCLURKIN
Wu, I know what he SAYS. But I also don’t believe that homosexuality is 1) a disease or 2) “cureable”. I think he is a big old closet queen hiding himself amongst the shoeboxes and moth balls so he can get paid and hold his position in his church. A lot of self-hatred in that one.
So your saying he sold out on homocecsuality. To each their own. I wouldn’t put him in any diffrent a box as say a light skinned and darksined couple then.
Huh?
Follow me. Acknowledging the addage learn to love yourself first then learn to love someone else. Psychologically speaking should you choose someone diffrent from yourself would signify that the difference is what you would change about yourself. What you hate about yourself. i.e. we both got skin mine is dark yours is light I wish my skin were lighter you wish your skin were darker. Self Hatred
“Ahem, anyway, what is up with the lack of gay male commenters on VSB? Panama, you ain’t tell your Morehouse friends you had a website? ZING! BAM! BOOM! Hi-YO! HUZZAH!”
i told them, but they’re too busy making Howard chicks their concubines and secretaries while they run the world and marry Spelman women.
I think you mean making Howard MEN their concubines while marrying Spelman women.
at least you admit that most men at Howard are on some “broken-wrist-syndrome”. glad you finally admitted that.
i guess the main point is, whether in the world or the bedroom, seems like Howard folks are constantly taking it up the poo-chute.
“i guess the main point is, whether in the world or the bedroom, seems like Howard folks are constantly taking it up the poo-chute.”
oh wow, lol. damn
Man please. Y’all just mad because your two schools combined do not equal our one.
And I have never held back on commenting on the many closet cases at Howard University. As a loyal f*g hag, it breaks my heart. Come out and play with me, boys!
“Man please. Y’all just mad because your two schools combined do not equal our one.”
that’s the best comeback you got? boooooooooooo.
i’m disappointed in you. you embarrass me. you embarrass yourself.
LMAO! Exactly!
I’m not a gay male commenter, but I’m not going to comment on this topic or any similar because pretty much the universal consensus here is:
If you’ve ever done anything that could be considered “gay”, you are gay – from then till eternity.
So, what’s the point of saying anything contrary?
“If you’ve ever done anything that could be considered “gay”, you are gay – from then till eternity.
So, what’s the point of saying anything contrary?”
Your statement kind of reminds me of how the established rule is if you have one drop of black blood you are black.
Sister Toldja, I respect where you’re coming from. You should definitely have your standards. By all means, stick to your guns.
Just don’t complain when you limit your own pool of good brothas.
instead of jail gay how about circumstancial gay?
what do you mean?
alright. so here’s ur gay male commenter. and NO i do not go to morehouse. ;P
now that the disclaimer is out of the way… onto the topic at hand:
way i see it if u weren’t creeping with other dudes before u got in jail, it doesn’t matter what happens in jail, chances are ur not gay. stuff happens. stuff happens when any group is in close quarters for extended periods of time (i.e. summer camp, boarding school). stuff happens when boys cant keep it in their pants and learn some self-control . and in today’s sex obsessed culture it just isn’t that far of a leap to see guys not knowing how to shut it down when they’re in the pen.
now if he wasn’t gay before he went to prison i’d say there’s a decent chance that he’ll never smoke sausage again if that’s not what he wants. now it’ll probably take him some time to readjust… but he should be alright if he knows that that’s not something he wants to continue doing.
lastly, personally i dont think i would date a guy who was prison gay. if it took incarceration for somebody to admit they’re gay chances are they’re not gonna be my type.
LeCyran0
and i almost forgot. all this Donnie McClurkin mess about “change”? complete bullshit. as someone who’s been there, done that and knows others who’ve tried i can tell u right now that even if Donnie does not have sex with men (and that’s a big if) i can guarantee u he still enjoys the male form more than the female. u can modify ur behaviors all u want. u can watch more NFL, dress differently, hang around more “masculine” guys. and u may be able to lessen the desire, but at the end of the day when given a sausage and a taco ur instinctual preference is gonna be for the sausage no matter how hard u try to “pray the gay away.”
so if a prison gay comes out and starts having some serious dobuts about which team he plays for u probably need to give him some space. but if he was str8 when he went in chances are he’ll be str8 when he gets out.
LeCyran0
“but at the end of the day when given a sausage and a taco ur instinctual preference is gonna be for the sausage no matter how hard u try to “pray the gay away.””
this is very, ummm, descriptive. thanks for stopping through and sharing
HELLO WORLD! Thank you! Shoot, Wesley Snipes is more likely to pray his Black away than Miss Donnie losing his gay.
“pray the gay away.”
This is hysterical, something my pastor and my dad would say
Welcome LeCyrano!! Glad to hear your point of view. And THANK YOU! Donnie is full of ISH!
Thanks for breaking that down.
Good points LeCyrano.
To me, there’s no such thing as “prison gay” WTH… I know I couldn’t get past the fact that a guy was another guy’s B!tch! The whole DL phenomenon is enough, please don’t add “prison gay” to the mix.
The way I see, if mofos would use their God given sense they wouldn’t be in jail in the first place.
But if you do end up in the can on some bullish, then just try your best to protect your booty-hole and say your prayers EVERY night!! lol
“The way I see, if mofos would use their God given sense they wouldn’t be in jail in the first place.”
****Proverbs 20:3****
Champ, I almost looked up Proverbs 20:3 thinking this was the comment of a biblical scholar…then I realized you were the one that left the comment. lol I had my desk bible out and everything.
so does that mean you didn’t look it up anyway? like all of a sudden b/c its the champ you decided that you shouldn’t find out what it was despite having your bible out?
the children have lost their way.
…and whose to say that i’m NOT a bible scholar????
Are you both challenging me? This seems somewhat like a challenge…I’m a lover, not a fighter.
Alright Panama and Champ…here you go. And the only reason I’m posting the verse is because it is fitting of you both with yall of your challenging my bible-researchingnessstuff. lol
Proverbs 20:3 – Avoiding a quarrel is honorable. After all, any stubborn fool can start a fight.
PS-yes, I put the Bible away when I saw it was Champ. Champ, you could be a bible scholar…if so, please let me know and I will start reading all the verses you write.
I always look up whatever scripture quotes you leave, if anything just to see if you are BS’n.
I have never literally spit anything out from reading something in my entire n*gganet career. Thank you.
LMAO!
‘The whole DL phenomenon is enough, please don’t add “prison gay” to the mix’
Right!
Yeah, if the mofos would just hide whenever they saw anyone remotely looking like police regardless of whether they’d ever committed a crime in their life, they wouldn’t be in jail in the first place.
“Yeah, if the mofos would just hide whenever they saw anyone remotely looking like police regardless of whether they’d ever committed a crime in their life, they wouldn’t be in jail in the first place.”
That’s true…
but sometimes theres that pesky nuleic acid thing (DNA) containing stuff that can incriminate (or free you)..
other than that..yeah hide like a mofo.
i have a problem with the whole “DL” terminology, but that could be a post itself.
“i have a problem with the whole “DL” terminology, but that could be a post itself.”
expound please
basically i hate the term. if a ninja is gay, he’s gay, and if you can’t see that, then your either kidding yourself or need to get your gaydar readjusted. i really hate how someone wrote a book, coined that term, now it’s treated like another epidemic that single black females have to face. i just have a lot of strong feelings, or maybe their annoyances, about the whole “DL” thing, and my lunchbreak is almost over. i think you should write a post about it
DL=in the closet…dl is a bs term coined by a man that refused to just call himself what he is…homosexual…
JL King just did a signing for his new book last weekend at the borders in Silver Spring…he’s still benefitting from the DL hype 4 sure.
jail gays are using a homosexual act to satisfy a heterosexual need. Donnie claims to be completely cured of “gay”. I find this hard to believe. I can almost believe that he is satisfying a homosexual need with heterosexual act but Donnie is still bending over backwards for the gays… literally
“jail gays are using a homosexual act to satisfy a heterosexual need”
i’d substitute “heterosexual” with “human” and “need” with “want”
I think physical contact is a need not a want.
Physical contact and sexual relations are different. I have to agree with Champ. Sexual acts are wants, desires. If they were needs, we would come out of the womb humping and die trying. (I hope to die trying.)
The whole existence of life is based on the need to procreate which is a direct result of sexual intercourse. While we do have mind over body and can control these urges there is a physiological need for sex. Maslow’s hierarchy lists the needs most important to survival as Breathing, Drinking, Eating, Excretion and Sex. So while those other needs are primary; sex is critical to survival thus making it a need.
Nah, I’ve heard through the grapevine Donnie ain’t become “magically straight”…that’s that lie that was told in order to sell his book and isht. He still is suspect, will always be suspect, and I wouldn’t touch him or any other “I used to be gay, but now I’m not” dude. Do y’all remember that one character on “The Shield”…the black cop who claimed he was reformed…but he still had the urges? That’s what I think of when I hear about/chat with dudes who claim it was “just a phase” or they “turned their lives around”.
I can’t say whether he’s been transformed or not but it can certainly happen….”Jesus said, “With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.”
Donnie is LYING like a RUG!!
Greetings beautiful people….
My take on the situation is that if a man constantly has sex with other men in prison what makes anyone think that he will just stop that behavior once he is out of prison? In my opinion homosexuality is a lifestyle choice that is mostly influenced by environment. If a man is having sex with other men, then wouldn’t that make him gay regardless of the circumstances? Let’s say allegedly a straight man goes to prison and starts having sex with other men to satisfy his need for physical contact, eventually he will grow to enjoy that type of contact. If he found having sex with other men disgusting then he would stop. So with that being said, I don’t buy the whole “I only had sex with men because I was in prison argument.” There were homosexual tendencies before; it just took a particular circumstance to get it out.
“In my opinion homosexuality is a lifestyle choice that is mostly influenced by environment. If a man is having sex with other men, then wouldn’t that make him gay regardless of the circumstances?”
these sentences contradict each other, ms. muse.
Gosh you know you are right. Hmmm…um blame it on the plane. Okay lookie here, if a man has sex with another man, it makes him gay or at least bisexual whether he’s in or out of prison. Damn my point is that I don’t think being “gay” is biological but more of a behaviorial trait that is strongly influenced by one’s environment.
“Okay lookie here, if a man has sex with another man, it makes him gay or at least bisexual whether he’s in or out of prison. Damn my point is that I don’t think being “gay” is biological but more of a behaviorial trait that is strongly influenced by one’s environment.”
you’re still contradicting yourself, lol. i guess that jet lag was pretty intense
TREATED!! lol
Ok, I shall go grow up now.
“…my point is that I don’t think being “gay” is biological but more of a behaviorial trait that is strongly influenced by one’s environment.”
I’ll try not to turn this into 9th grade science class but if I’m not mistaken, behavioral traits are traits that are genetically influenced (and genes are inheritable traits.) And since Genetics is a discipline of Biology (the study of living organisms in their environment), it’s contradictory to state that something is not biological, yet is a genetic trait. Biology and behavior are connected, to some extent.
Ask someone who is gay if they are by choice & I bet they’ll tell you no. To take it a step further, some would say that if they were capable of changing, they would. Not being gay would make the lives of many in our society a lot easier.
However…drunk girls playing grab a** & kissing each other in a bar are influenced by their environment for sure! (We call them “barsexuals”.)
“the pleasures of the manflesh” <—FUNNY!
Remember back in the days when folks would iron everything? Folks would even go as far as taking their jeans to the dry cleaners to be pressed with that incredibly sharp crease. Well, if you don’t, trust me when I say this madness was rampant in the south. The effect of excessive pressing on one’s jeans resulted in a permanent crease, in fact two parallel, white creases. Clearly they were evidence of a life of Niagara starch abuse.
So to answer your question…once prison gay, always gay.
“Remember back in the days when folks would iron everything? Folks would even go as far as taking their jeans to the dry cleaners to be pressed with that incredibly sharp crease. Well, if you don’t, trust me when I say this madness was rampant in the south. The effect of excessive pressing on one’s jeans resulted in a permanent crease, in fact two parallel, white creases. Clearly they were evidence of a life of Niagara starch abuse.
So to answer your question…once prison gay, always gay.”
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Word.
“Remember back in the days when folks would iron everything? Folks would even go as far as taking their jeans to the dry cleaners to be pressed with that incredibly sharp crease. Well, if you don’t, trust me when I say this madness was rampant in the south. The effect of excessive pressing on one’s jeans resulted in a permanent crease, in fact two parallel, white creases. Clearly they were evidence of a life of Niagara starch abuse. ”
Back in the day? This ish is still going on…lol
yeah it is. i remember doing this as well. took like 10 minutes to put my Dickies on because they were so starched.
that was a bad time for fashion. i blame my parents for not telling me that i looked like a damn fool.
i also blame jim jones.
“i also blame jim jones.”
Here you go again…lol
drat and double drat @ jim jones
I say we get an effigy jim jones pinyata for the vsb picnic union
OKAY…I still folks who take those jeans to the cleaners religiously!
“Remember back in the days when folks would iron everything? Folks would even go as far as taking their jeans to the dry cleaners to be pressed with that incredibly sharp crease.”
“back in the day” = still happening today in California
Gay = Gay.
lol…you can call monk many things, but longwinded isn’t one of them
I love simplicity. lol.
oops!!! i didn’t realize i’d type that word… many apologies…
I would not date a guy who was gay in prison. I’m leary of any man that’s been in jail longer than two years because doesn’t temptation start to set in, which would make it easier to get with a man on the inside? I’d be too paranoid once he got out that it would be easier to catch an STD: Are they using condoms in prison? I don’t feel confident that he would be forthcoming with the information, “hey, in prison I knocked off a couple of men.” See, just too many questions for me. So rather than have to deal with doubt, I just try to stay away from inmates because you never know. …
For some reason I do not think condoms are offered in prison. I think they use the same thought process as schools do with $ex education – if we talk about it or acknowledge that $ex happens, we encourage it. I call bulls*t.
That’s real BS. That’s the reason that STDs are spreading because people are not protecting themselves.
Exactly Leila. And it is true bullsh*t that there are no condoms readily available in prison.
There are no condoms available in prison because it’s against the rules for men to have sex there. It just happens anyway. Not saying they should be able to protect themselves but those are the rules.
Well the prison system should be aware that just because it’s the rule doesn’t mean that it will be followed. Hell, why are prisoners in jail – because they broke the rules/laws. So makes them think they will follow jail rules….what are they going to do, lock them up?!?!?!?! LOL
“Hell, why are prisoners in jail – because they broke the rules/laws. So makes them think they will follow jail rules….what are they going to do, lock them up?!?!?!?! LOL”
lol…this made me LOL. you make a good point though…if cats can smuggle cigarettes in there i’m sure they can sneak a few condoms in as well
I feel you. I only said that because I’ve been watching Locked Up recently and they aren’t supposed to have s$xual relations at all. A lot of places they aren’t even supposed to have p_o_r_n_o pics either.
I’m also guessing the dudes doing the raping want the raw sensation. lol Locked Up teaches you things.
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LOL @ Well the prison system should be aware that just because it’s the rule doesn’t mean that it will be followed. Hell, why are prisoners in jail – because they broke the rules/laws.
“I’d be too paranoid once he got out that it would be easier to catch an STD: Are they using condoms in prison?”
what if he was std free, would your opinions change?
I’d have to say no, my opinion wouldn’t change… cause every time he went out with “the boys,” I’d also be paranoid…. is he hitting one of them???? And such and such.
“I’d have to say no, my opinion wouldn’t change… cause every time he went out with “the boys,” I’d also be paranoid…. is he hitting one of them???? And such and such.”
so is it a trust issue, or a “if he’s cheating on me, at least cheat on me with a woman” issue?
Me being paranoid is the issue! If I’m in a relationship, the trust has to be there, or else I’m not in one. I’m perfectly okay being single, so I’m not the type that will take anything just to have a man. And cheating, to me, that’s the ultimate. I’m extremely faithful, to friends, boyfriends, family, whomever, so I expect the same….ALL situations.
Oh God… sidetrack, Maury’s on and I came home from work early… so sad, how the girls ALWAYS run off the stage. Anywho, back to the subject (with my short attention span)……
Anyway, it all goes back to my previous “I’m leary of any man that’s been in jail longer than two years because doesn’t temptation start to set in, which would make it easier to get with a man on the inside? ” I just need to be honest and say I don’t want to date a man that’s been in prison. It’s hard to admit that because everyone has a story and a reason and what God has for me is for me and so on and so forth…. but I’d be scared.
I can’t lie if he’s been in jail that’s a big hell no cause I would be thinking did he get it while there and if you think the DL thing is bad there, it’s catching up in Kenya where it’s still a crime to be homosexual. Doesn’t mean that rich cats don’t buy their biatches apartments and cars and set them up with weekly allowances and all. Honestly though I’m one of those who would rather you cheat on me with a woman than with a man. If you do and I will take you on holiday in Kenya near the Somalia border and kick your a$$ into Somalia whatever happens to you there remains with the gunmen and the hawks.
P wants to know:
“…is it acceptable for a man to be gay in prison?”
i’m not qualified to judge what’s acceptable for someone else who is not in my care. all i can say is if you were screwing a man or men or getting screwed by a man or men in prison, just leave me out of it.
i don’t need to hear about it. don’t disrespect me by any outward or discovered and leaked attraction for me. that’s ur business, not mine.
1st i’m not doing shit to get a prison bid. 2nd they’ll never take me alive. …
…but let’s say hypothetically i went and had to choose a way to deal with my sex drive in prison, it would be thru conjugal visits, female prison guards and winning gold in the beat meet. i’m a crafty sum beach so i figure i could successfully negotiate for any creature comforts and privileges.
here’s my take on those who CHOOSE to participate sexually with the same sex. it’s gay. …and that’s on u. i could care less just respect me. if u can’t figure out what that is then tread careful or find out what respecting me means in a perhaps traumatic fashion, risk taker, ledge walker… rape is a whole nother issue. i pity the prisoner/s.
i believe there are guys in prison who have never had homosexual relations. go figure.
P if u got a bid to do homey, be scrong. …and uhhh u may wont to cut those curly locks off ur head, u don’t want to look to cute.
and i aint laughing cause aint a dam thang funny.
“1st i’m not doing shit to get a prison bid. 2nd they’ll never take me alive. …”
Word up GK. And seeing as how hundreds of people’s cases have been overturned by dna evidence. I don’t trust the system. I just don’t.
“P if u got a bid to do homey, be scrong. …and uhhh u may wont to cut those curly locks off ur head, u don’t want to look to cute.
and i aint laughing cause aint a dam thang funny.” – that’s true man, that shit aint funny, it happens, but it aint funny.
(Genius’s statement reminds me of 25th Hour by Spike Lee man )
“winning gold in the beat meet”
LOL
That MUST be a t-shirt!
Alise u can wear the tee shirt that says:
“i won gold in the beat meet”
yep ima let u wear that. ima take a pass on that 1.
i might however don the tee shirt that says:
“i aint laughing cause aint a dam thang funny.”
“1st i’m not doing shit to get a prison bid. 2nd they’ll never take me alive. …”
I believe you on both counts.
t-lee knows:
“1st i’m not doing shit to get a prison bid. 2nd they’ll never take me alive. …”
and i might take a few trying to capture me to the great bye and bye.
“P if u got a bid to do homey, be scrong. …and uhhh u may wont to cut those curly locks off ur head, u don’t want to look to cute.”
who you tellin’. i’m probably the only dude who got scared straight at the thought of being lightskint and skinny in jail. they didn’t even have to put me on TV.
then i saw Oz and it just solidified it.
Yeah P. You’d get “Adebisi’ed” in a HEARTBEAT!
It would only be considered gay if he had any other choice. Granted he could have beat off or used a warm rubber glove and a towel, but the orifice of another person is desired at some point.
They only do it to satisfy their physical need without actually having an emotional or mental need to be filled by that man.
The bigger question is, what do you consider the guys that rape in jail as a way of gaining power?
I consider them sick bastards. Seriously though, I think of them as the same guys who would take it from a woman or a child. They need to be helped or castrated, not in any specific order, and that would depend on the person. They’re taking something sacred from one person in order to satisfy their own desire.
“The bigger question is, what do you consider the guys that rape in jail as a way of gaining power?”
from what i understand, prison rape has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with establishing and/or taking power.
Exactly…remember American Me?
I have heard that rape is all about rage. If that rage is the result of a power gradient then so be it… The rape is about power.
No rape has anything to do with sex. It is always about power, control.
“The bigger question is, what do you consider the guys that rape in jail as a way of gaining power?”
I consider them to be gay men who used a horrific and SEXUAL act to dominate another man.
Regardless of the motive (power or sex), rape is rape.
The bigger question is, what do you consider the guys that rape in jail as a way of gaining power?
I think that these acts came about from old school war. If your village gets taken over in war 1. your women got stole w/ the land and riches i.e. spoils of war. If there was a plan to occupy and keep some of the indiginous people. A dominance is needed to be established raping a man would signify that the men of the indiginous land are as women of the invading nation.
“The bigger question is, what do you consider the guys that rape in jail as a way of gaining power?”
Adebisi
LMAO!!!
My friends and I were talking about this this very weekend;
***flashback music** my best male friend (bmf) was telling me about a female friend of his that inquired weather she should be “concerned” because her man (in jail) allowed his cell mate to pierce his man wand~ yes I said pierce, (let me say it agian so the Champ can once again cringe in his seat)
PIERCE HIS MAN WAND.
She actually wondered if this was GAY? myself and one of my closest girlfriends looked at my bmf and said in unison as if we were singing for the Mississippi Mass Choir, “she has to wonder?” that is the gayest thing I had ever heard, my girl even went as far to say, I couldn’t be with no man that was some other man’s “butch” (u=i) in jail and you know what I have to agree…
There are a multitude of things that I could not do, date a man who had done some time, I’m talking hard time, acquiring prison tats and all that. But especially after I know he has had male on male relations, “not that there’s anything wrong with that”, primarily because I wouldnt be able to do one of the public services that I do (which is donate blood every 8 weeks, and continue to be on the bone marrow list; more people of color need to do this btw).
So to anwswer your question, not that there’s anything wrong with that but “Hell to the mutther froggin NAW! could’nt do it…
man with man = gay action, your masculinity in question, you can never be taken seriously again!
“let me say it agian so the Champ can once again cringe in his seat”
smh, and you wonder why you’re not getting an invite to the bbq.
I don’t need an invite… I know an insider that will get me in under my other assumed identity.
And I am not above crashing a BBQ anyway!
How does that conversation come about? Say dawg, if you’re not busy after yard time, you think you could pierce my man wand?
“How does that conversation come about? Say dawg, if you’re not busy after yard time, you think you could pierce my man wand?”
LOL
HE GOT A D*CK RING IN JAIL?????
HE WAS A TOP!
no not a D*ck ring (in the traditional sense), I asked the same question. he got a piercing in the skin right beneath the urethra (imagining the Champ writhing). I was like HOLY MOTHER FROGGER!!!
“got a piercing in the skin right beneath the urethra ”
‘da hell?!
Evidence of nothing better to do in the clink…
t lee says:
Evidence of nothing better to do in the clink… [in or around the dong or gems piercing]
it’s not that boring. get a degree. read a book. teach an illeterate. write a screenplay. etc. etc. etc. them triggers just wanted to do that kinky schtick for kink reasons. they weren’t bored so much as terd burgling horndogs.
yeah, id like to know this too. that’s not some ordinary conversation that just organically comes up.
it almost has to start with, “so i heard about this gay pr0n the other day…”
“There are a multitude of things that I could not do, date a man who had done some time, I’m talking hard time, acquiring prison tats and all that. But especially after I know he has had male on male relations, “not that there’s anything wrong with that”, primarily because I wouldnt be able to do one of the public services that I do (which is donate blood every 8 weeks, and continue to be on the bone marrow list; more people of color need to do this btw).”
I’m digging this VERY practical concern.
Good topic Panama. btw I have heard people say the phrase “they got all turned around” in reference to leaving behind a “good” mindset. “Keisha went to school had a good scholarship n errthang ‘got turned around’ w/ that…”
And I can’t wait to hear what these double standard having women have to say regarding this preguntas. I mean for real all the “I can see why guys like women” comments and “I’d do it one time but not consider being a ‘thesbian’” not that there’s anything wrong w/ that. And a guy is just supposed to accept that from you. Why is it that women aren’t ‘thesbian’ suspect/curious/dl? I think I know why they have no macncheesemo. They can be artsy fartsy lick em low n then go holla @ a bro n think nothin mo about it. This may be because there is a more than likely dynamic of more women in a community than men. Therefore some of them may not get ‘chose.’ And like Panama said errbody needs some affection sometimes. For real how often you see a manwhore on the corner? A chick can slob down another chick n the club on a particular night and it’s aight. A dude goes to club fed and as far as divulging any of those acts he may as well be dead.
Personally, I think the same applies to woman on woman. I’ve never been tempted to “slob on a chick in the club.” HA! So I don’t understand that desire. To me, if you’ve done it once, whose to say you won’t do it again???? I think some men are ok with it because it fulfills a fantasy for them. This guy that I dated kept asking me to have a threesome and I wouldn’t do it….. we broke up!. Every man that I’ve ever known likes the thought, which leads me to think the majority want it. Please correct me if it’s not true (give me some hope!!!!)
Through wisdom (i.e. heeding to the lessons learned of others who have gone through said sityo) I shat that 3some desire out of my brain. I only think it even entered my brain because of precocious ceksual desires. I wanted to experience all sorts of women and couldn’t get to them all fast enough. Therefore a 3some would be efficient. But no, not for me. I have heard stories that lead me to believe that someone would get left out. Cuz porn n action flicks are fake contrary to popular belief.
You restored my faith (a little: There’s one in MILLIONS!) Ha. Thank you for the small ray of hope. *smile* I was hoping that “precocious ceksual desires” leaves as men get older. But seeing as this man was 32, NOTSOMUCH!!!!
I don’t know why I’m doing this but. . .
When was the last time you purposefully burned yourself (assuming that happened as a child)?
I have no intention of ever sticking my finders inside the moving blades of a hedge trimmer, ramming a nail through my hand, or any host of things that have happened in the near or far past. Doing something once is not an indicator of whether it will be done again.
This is exactly why I live my life just like the Lawyer on the “Boondocks” . . . except without the nightmares of being anally raped, singing Usher’s, “Burn”, in the middle of the street, and being married to a white woman!
“This is exactly why I live my life just like the Lawyer on the “Boondocks” . . . except without the nightmares of being anally raped, singing Usher’s, “Burn”, in the middle of the street, and being married to a white woman!”
**chuckling again**
That episode made me cry b/c I laughed so hard.
“And to throw fuel on the fire, would you (women out there) date a man if you knew he was “prison gay”?”
I’m gonna hafta go with a big fat absolutely not (shouts to Deborah Cox). How am I gonna go behind all the kats you just got done with in the clink? For real?!
Jesus is forgiving, me on the other hand, not so much.
I also believe that you can turn around from the lifestyle, if that’s what you’re trying to do. I’ve seen it happen. Anything is possible.
I’m just not trying to hook up with you , after the fact.
PS: Love how you threw John Legend under the bus…lol
“I also believe that you can turn around from the lifestyle, if that’s what you’re trying to do. ”
- So you think that people can turn “un-gay”. Expound please!
I’m a Christian, and I do believe that you can be healed from any affliction. That includes homosexuality (if you see it as an affliction). I’ve seen it for myself. I have a homeboy who was living the lifestyle for more than a few years. About a year ago he chose to not live that way anymore and from then on out he has been celibate. He told me that he realizes that it’s wrong and he doesn’t want to live that way anymore. I support him on his decision. I would have supported him on any decision because we are friends and I didn’t care which way he went. So since I’ve seen it for myself I believe that it can happen.
So do you think the desire to be with men has gone away, or that he just suppresses the urges?
I’m not real sure.
I don’t know if it ever truly goes away.
“I do believe that you can be healed from any affliction. That includes homosexuality (if you see it as an affliction).”
I hate to think of homosexuality as an “affliction”. You talking bout it like its 3rd stage brain cancer. It’s pretty degrading to think someone’s attraction preference is a disease.
I believe that for men, there are two types of gay:
Real gay (born that way) and prison gay. Real gay is gay and cannot be ‘healed’. (And…why would we want them to be healed? Life is short! Too damn short to repress yourself and live in a closet). Prison gay is based on circumstances. I think men can walk away from that life.
Now, for women, I think there are three types of homosexuality:
Real gay, gotta be gay for now (i.e. she’s in the pen doing an 8 year bid and Big Bertha is her cell mate) and bored/tired of men gay. But, that is another subject.
“Jesus is forgiving, me on the other hand, not so much.”
this reminds me of one of the lines in “machete”, one of the fake “grindhouse” trailers.
i have nothing else to add.
“This reminds me of one of the lines in “machete”, one of the fake “grindhouse” trailers.”
The line was “God has mercy…I don’t.” Very impressive Champ!
“PS: Love how you threw John Legend under the bus…lol”
he threw himself under the bus with his choice of haberdashery.
Dayum…all because of the clothes?
I was gonna go with his mannerisms, but I guess this could work…lol
Yeah I went to one of his concerts and his vest was an XS. Johnnie boy looked like he was gon pop a button.
“Well the po’ souls that were forcefully penetrated need a “Pass Go & Collect $200″ Pass. They can’t be deemed “gay” now b/c they couldn’t fight off Bubba or Tiny (who is ironically huge).”
With any rule there’s always an exception, and in this case if say “po’ soul” was forcefully raped and he liked it, he would be deemed gay.
On another note if a woman was focefully raped and actually liked it after it was all said and done, would that be considered rape?
I’m sorry…I don’t think anyone male/female who is raped actually enjoys it….
Hence the name rape.
Lil’ Wayne does, he said it in his song.
I must have missed that track.
Which song?
I’m not a huge fan of his…lol
Maybe its A Milli…”And I’d rather be pushin flowers
Then to be in the penn sharin’ showers “
No its on “Got Money”.
I wear 8 chains, I mean so much ice
They yell “skate wayne”
She wanna f&ck weezy
She wanna rape wayne
….and I’m a let her…
Funny…I can’t make it throught that song because of T-Pain…lol
Using Lil Wayne as your voice of reason is like having Britney Spears teach you how to be a good parent.
STOP IT.
if you like it its not rape.
Umm. No.
Just so that we’re clear, rape is a sexual assault carried out against your will.
Whether you liked it, enjoyed it, called out for God three times, is irrelevant. It is still rape.
“Just so that we’re clear, rape is a sexual assault carried out against your will.
Whether you liked it, enjoyed it, called out for God three times, is irrelevant. It is still rape.”
Thank you.
something about the words “assault” and “against your will” in your definition are making the potential for pleasure in it muddy for me, sorry.
“if you like it its not rape.”
The human body is a crazy thing. Some people who have been raped have had orgasms. Sometimes, the body is a purely physical entity and it has reflexes.
Rape is rape no matter IF someone enjoyed it. In fact, this logic is one of the reasons why some women feel so confused after they are raped.
Exactly. Young children are sexually molested and find themselves aroused. Does not mean they were not victimized.
Sometimes you cannot control your body’s responses to sexual stimulation, even if it is forced upon you.
We need to rethink how we view sex crimes.
Working in the HIV prevention field, I have heard that some prisoners consider/classify themselves as “Gay Until Release Date”. Many of them feel that it is okay to do this without any repercussions but I find this very hard to believe. I know desperate times call for desperate measures but there is just no coming back from something like this. In my opinion, one time is all it takes.
“In my opinion, one time is all it takes.”
what if the guy had absolutely, positively no attraction to men and no plans on ever being with one ever again?
That’s a big IF. So what you’re saying is that anything or in this case anyone is better than nothing. I don’t believe that. If the guy had absolutely, positively no attraction to men, then having sex with men would NOT be an option in any circumstance.
“If the guy had absolutely, positively no attraction to men, then having sex with men would NOT be an option in any circumstance.”
Alicia, I agree with this. Rape is one thing but desiring “human compasion” for the sake of it sounds like an excuse to me.
There’s nothing wrong with the situation
Alicia:
I’d like to believe this, too. But imagine being a 16,17 year old boy – they can’t think straight cause they are raging with hormones. And many, even the hardest thug, is scared, no matter what they say. So if an older dude, who’s been in a while starts whispering in their ear, I just think it is harder for some of them to not ‘go that route’. No matter their crime or what our local state’s attorney’s offices thinks, teens are easily manipulated mentally.
“Gay Until Release Date”
So does that mean that the cell mate gets one last hurrah on the night prior? I can see it now, a prisoner coming back to his cell after his parole hearing and his cell mate asking “The parole come through? It didn’t? Damn that’s messed up. So we still f**king right?
I mean they can work it like how Siegel and Freeway did in State Property, where they draw the curtain and twerk it. They can use the vacuum cleaner thing, they can twerk to some girlie pics/posters. I’m saying there are a lot of options.
I have heard tho that when dudes go away for the long stretch, they gotta get the dome from the ladies in the joint nahmean? I might be willing to give a pass on that one but still…i dunno man.
“I mean they can work it like how Siegel and Freeway did in State Property, where they draw the curtain and twerk it”
lol, after reading “twerk”, why did i just get a horrible image of them doing terrible ciara-esque dance moves behind the curtains?
i need my damn toast
“And to throw fuel on the fire, would you (women out there) date a man if you knew he was “prison gay”?”
Well I try to stay away from men who have BEEN to jail. My only exceptions are civil disobedience, ie protests or some type of “surprise you aint pay this speeding ticket in 1998 you’re coming with me”…
thats it.
I have guy friends…And actually all three of them have been put into the friend box over time because of my suspicions. And they dont come out of the friend box EVER again.
“Well I try to stay away from men who have BEEN to jail. My only exceptions are civil disobedience, ie protests or some type of “surprise you aint pay this speeding ticket in 1998 you’re coming with me”…”
its funny that many women have this disclaimer in there, as if a guy who’s in prison for civil disobedience is any less likely to be “prison gay” than lil chucky from the block who’s doing a bid for aggravated robbery
Its probably because if my man went to jail for blocking the entrance at the world bank…he’s probably not going to alcatraz or phen phen ..or wherever hard time is done.
and he probably won’t even spend the night
“My only exceptions are civil disobedience, ie protests ”
I don’t know nann kat that’s been to a jail for either one of these…outside of MLK, Ghandi, or Cesar Chavez. lmao
The dealbreakers for me are murder, rape, armed robbery, molestation and any other violent crime.
You never had a dude with a “phantom ticket” thusly ended up being taken on a little ride down to the county courthouse??? Thats acceptable and it gets a pass.
re: civil disobedance. When I was 12 I had a boy friend whose parents were always getting arrested when they were protesting about freeing Nelson Mandela. And they arrested him once too…
that counts. And those are the exceptions and I can’t really think of anything else that ***might*** make me say maybe.
Nah…no “phantom tickets” LOL…
But, I can see it.
Prison Gay? From my understanding, there are 3 types of people when it comes to this topic. Those in prison who are the bullies who don’t need to wait for the soap to hit the floor before pouncing on a dude, and those who don’t have enough backbone (no pun intended) to fight off Big Bubba’s attempt to get a few rocks off. You also have those who are willing to take it willingly, but they probably had those inclinations beforehand. I think those forced to take the D can become ungay, but they’ll prolly have all sorts of other disorders and inclinations if released. The bully folks will get out and find them some women. The prison queens will continue to take D willingly.
i heard that too about the pitchers and the catchers…its all gay and its OK.
but don’t think that just because you pitch doesn’t mean your not a ….(um)…gay man.
TIME FOR A CLASSIC HIP HOP QUOTE:
“You’re gone, used to be the Don Juan
Now your name is just Twan
Switch it, snap it, rollin your eyes and neck
You better run a check”
- Ice Cube
*singing* Chiggety Check yo’ self before you wreck yo’ self.
We all have our journeys in life……
I don’t think an isolated experience determines one’s orientation. I don’t begrudge anyone for their standards, because I do think that “everything ain’t for everybody”. Meaning that, if one is not accepting of non heterosexual lifestyles, or against criminal behavior, then it is not expected for them to date an ex con who has had an ‘experience’, consensual or not.
I’ve had an interesting life, and I have close, dear relationships with people who have colorful pasts
(in many respects), so this is something that is not as shocking to me. If I could trust that person, and they possessed other more important qualities, such as being loving, considerate, spiritually minded, respectful, family oriented, then yes, I would date someone who has gone through that experience. I’m not the type of get in a relationship with just anyone, so they would have earned my trust. Not only that, if I had any fear of them being unfaithful, I would just end the relationship, because it’s no point in sticking around if I fear they would have a ‘relapse’ as some may say and creep with another man. Cheating is cheating, in my opinion, and I deserve more than that. With that being said, honesty is most important, and why would I trust them any less than anyone else? We all have skeletons in our closet….
And for those in protest with, “What about AIDS?”….that is a true concern. But anyone can get the disease, and prevention is key. Again, that comes with trust and honesty. This is not to be taken lightly.
And for the record, masculinity has nothing to do with sexual orientation. There are plenty of “manly men” who are gay. And there are plenty of men who possess what’s been deemed as “feminine” qualities who would never dream of being with another man.
I’m not trying to sound preachy, but people truly need to open their eyes. You have the right to choose what you will and won’t deal with, but people know how to hide their truths….quite well at that.
(I hate the term, “prison gay”, btw, I know it was made in jest, but….it just doesn’t settle right with me)
This was a very insightful response and I pride myself on being open minded…but I don’t think I could get passed a prior experience or even a “come to Jesus” after a “previous orientation”.
There is a lid for every pot…gay straight or otherwise.
I agree Comeback – Im rather open-minded. I can be friends with males who have had that “experience”, but once I know it has occured, they will NOT become my lover. I make the choice to NOT have relations with a man who has had $ex with another man – rather pitching or receiving.
Now if they do indeed hide their truths, I believe that at some point in time, it will come out. And I will be PISSED. Extra pissed. Ready to kill pissed.
C’mon with all that knowledge.
I’m at work, I don’t wanna learn sh*t. I want jokes!
i know now I need to go pray for all the stuff we wrote.
Loving this reply. An ill person is an ill person.
And it seems one of the unfortunate (for men) results of patriarchy is that there is absolutely no room for a crack in masculinity.
HAYLE no at “prison gay”. You become what you get used to…so if he gets used to the sausage in the pokey, he’ll come out and still want it as well. He may still “date” women, but indulge when the “man love” urge hits him. Black women are dying cause of ninjas being “prison gay”, but not telling them once they get out. This is one of the reasons I won’t ever date men who have been in prison, jail, whatever.
“so if he gets used to the sausage in the pokey…”
lol…some of these euphemisms are killin me
if youre gay in prison, youre gay in real life and dont need to be associating yourself with females. period. there is no argument about it. no slant on it. and really no need for discussion.
the end.
exactly.
Here is a question for Champ and Panama, if you guys went sentenced to 5 years in prison, would you have sex with another man? If you decided to have sex with another man, would you consider yourselves gay?
“Here is a question for Champ and Panama, if you guys went sentenced to 5 years in prison, would you have sex with another man? If you decided to have sex with another man, would you consider yourselves gay?”
damn, lol. since i can’t think of an appropriately snarky reply, i’m just gonna answer with a simple no and yes.
yeah…see, for starters, there’s no way in South Hell that I’d intentionally have relations with another man.
and yes, if i decided to do so, i’d be gay. at the point where i’ve decided to go thru with it, i’ve convinced myself its what i want. and if i want salami, it makes me a meatlover.
i’m pretty juvenile. there’s this spot in Decatur, GA off of Chandler Rd called Meat Masters. I can’t drive by that place without busting out laughing.
Same thing happens with Meat Lovers pizzas.
i know i look like i’m in my 20′s, but i’m really like the Chinese women’s gymnastics team…i’m 12.
i know i look like i’m in my 20’s, but i’m really like the Chinese women’s gymnastics team…i’m 12.
I saw that young azz looking girl last night.
Cheaters!!!
Interesting topic. This actually came up with my friends a few weeks ago. One of my college homegirls is now on a wild streak, and ended up doing the do with a guy who just got out of prison. Without protection! Even though it was just a one time deal, the rest of us are so grossed out just by the thought. Imagine all the freaky nastiness he was into in prison, and then to let him…UGH!
I personally couldn’t date a man who had been to jail period, and not because of his sexual preference while in the big house. Maybe this seems biased, but all of the men I know who have been to jail have a ton of other problems that are much more of a deal breaker than past gay indiscretions. That said, I think its pretty open and shut that the gay lifestyle doesn’t end in prison. It would be interesting to see how many people on the site would date a man/woman who was gay in the past at all, even in the outside world.
“Maybe this seems biased, but all of the men I know who have been to jail have a ton of other problems that are much more of a deal breaker than past gay indiscretions”
not biased at all.
you know, this is a bit off-topic, but its crazy that some us of actually feel the need to explain why they wouldnt deal with an ex-convict, that the prison world has so permeated the black community that subjects and questions like these are even relevant. actually, forget crazy…its f**king sad
Agreed Champ. We feel we have to justify and explain so many things that really should go without saying, and it makes me sad too.
You’re right, it is sad, but it is a subject that does come up for black people frequently. Its even documented in movies. I thought about this after I saw “Daddy’s little girls.” Dont know if you have seen the movie, but I probably would have been one of the friends hating on Idris Alba’s character.
I guess the reason I feel the need to justify this is because after completing a prison stint, people have “served their time” and “paid their debt to society,” and you’ll get people who will argue that fact as a reason ex-cons are perfectly datable.
. My husband has never gone to jail, but I have. I know plenty of men that have gone to prison for a variety of reasons and have come out and attempted to turn their lives around. I dont think these men should be paying for past indiscretions forever. I made it out, I graduated from college, twice, have a good job, married with 1 child. People that meet me now could never imagine the life I lived previously, but my story is the exception, not the rule. So I do feel that a man that went to jail for a youthful indiscretion that turned his life around should be given another chance, by both society and women. However while I can understand why a man would become gay due to survival circumstances…that’s a deal breaker.
“One of my college homegirls is now on a wild streak, and ended up doing the do with a guy who just got out of prison. Without protection!”
Eff a wild streak. Thats a DUMB AS HELL streak!! Tell me she went and got tested for ALL VeeDees promptly AND 3 months after the encounter. Your homegirl put her life in danger for some squirts she coulda gotten w/ rubber.
*sigh*
With the large numbers of Black men in jail, it’s not THAT hard to find out if your new guy was a ‘yard b*tch’ or ‘ghey for the stay’. Women, however, for the most part don’t want to know. All they want to know is that they have a man. Never mind what he did those last 5+ years. Never mind that he might have the HIVvies.
I will not fool with a man I know has been to jail. There reasons stretch beyond his chexual activities in the ‘bing’. It’s a survivalist situation. People in survival mode tend not to handle situations logically. I’m a very logical person. (My man-logic is on point but my feminine emotional side is so out of wack.)
“It’s a survivalist situation. People in survival mode tend not to handle situations logically.”
good point
That is some truth right there Hostess.
So true!! Most men who have been to jail, have a totally different mindstate post-jail. I’ve seen this happen on many occasions.
I imagine if I was locked up for a length of time, I would be a totally different person once I got out.
Yes and part of that survivalist thing IN jail is to keep themselves as close to sane as possible. For many, this involves control. They rape not always for chexual gratification but because they don’t control their circumstances but they CAN control the weakest link. Also some men semi-willingly submit so that they may survive. It’s messes up.
Finally, did Old D.B. come out of jail missing his front teeth?? If so, this is often a sign that he kept a full mouth. No teeth means no biting down. What?? Oh like you weren’t thinking the same thing.
Interesting question. I’m in the minority and i do tend to think there is a difference between pitching and catching, and that one sexual act doesn’t define a persons sexuality, but would i date a dude who was ‘prison gay’? Nope. But plenty of women would and do so those dudes will be alright.
“would you (women out there) date a man if you knew he was “prison gay”?”
No. No. No. No. No. Gay is gay. This reminds me of an argument I had about oral sex. I said I didn’t want to have sex and a guy offered to go down on me instead. To which I replied no because that is still sex. He didn’t agree.
How is oral sex with the word sex in it, not sex?
I don’t think that can be explained anymore than prison gay not meaning regular ole gay.
“I said I didn’t want to have sex and a guy offered to go down on me instead. To which I replied no because that is still sex. He didn’t agree.”
was this guy’s name “bill clinton”?
LOL @ was this guy’s name “bill clinton”?
Nah SoN there is no such thing is “prison gay” gay is gay there is not straddeling the fence. People have minds and can therefore reason and make a conscience decision to lay with a man. They can also choose to refrain. I don’t care if you are in prison for life if you turn to a man for s3xual gratification then the thoughts of wanting to do so were always there (although maybe dormant) and just surfaced when you were put in a situation where you did not have choices.
If one can abstain from s3x when they are in the free world due to religious beliefs, moral conviction, fear of pregnancy or STD, etc. then one can refrain from that behavior whilst locked up.
There is no excuse to lay with a man. If you want to do that than do you make it happen but don’t use being locked up as an excuse. You are straight up gay if you lay with a man in any way shape or form unless you were “anally rap3d” in jail.
“If one can abstain from s3x when they are in the free world due to religious beliefs, moral conviction, fear of pregnancy or STD, etc. then one can refrain from that behavior whilst locked up.”
i agree with this. sex isn’t a need…its a want, and theres a huge difference between the two
sex cannot be abstained forever, no one has ever lived a full life as a virgin.
Um, how do we know that?
Maslow’s hierarchy
‘cept Jesus.
“sex cannot be abstained forever, no one has ever lived a full life as a virgin.”
This, my friend, is an over-generalization and unbased claim if I ever saw one. I’m sure there is someone on HISTORY who lived till 85 and sexless.
SEX IS A NEED!
according to Maslow (via Wikipedia)
“Physiological needs~These are the basic human needs for such things as food, warmth, water, and other bodily needs. If a person is hungry or thirsty or their body is chemically unbalanced, all of their energies turn toward remedying these deficiencies and other needs remain inactive. Maslow explains that “Anyone who attempts to make an emergency picture into a typical one and who will measure all of man’s goals and desires by his[her] behavior during extreme physiological deprivation, is certainly blind to many things. It is quite true that man lives by bread alone — when there is no bread”.[1]
The physiological needs of the organism (those enabling homeostasis) take first precedence. These consist mainly of (in order of importance):
* Breathing
* Drinking
* Eating
* Excretion
* Sex
If some needs are not fulfilled, a person’s physiological needs take the highest priority. Physiological needs can control thoughts and behaviors and can cause people to feel sickness, pain, and discomfort.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
Great minds think alike!!!
This was a theory and just like all theories can be wrong. It was never proven and there have been others who have opposed this theory. There is no proof that s3x is a need like food and water.
And how does one define “need”?
I define it as something that you absolutely can not live without (i.e. food, water, air, you know the important stuff) With this being the definition one can truly live without s3x.
“Well the po’ souls that were forcefully penetrated need a “Pass Go & Collect $200″ Pass. They can’t be deemed “gay” now b/c they couldn’t fight off Bubba or Tiny (who is ironically huge).”
This comment also brings new meaning to the popular statement, “love hurts”.
Okay that was my last corny joke for today!
“Okay that was my last corny joke for today!”
lol…please continue. i know i’m not done
Please don’t stop your jokes.
“This reminds me of an argument I had about oral sex. I said I didn’t want to have sex and a guy offered to go down on me instead. To which I replied no because that is still sex. He didn’t agree. ”
I say if you can catch an STD from it than it’s sex
“If you can catch an STD from it than it’s sex!”
SHIRT PLEASE!
Oh HELL YES. I agree with this!
lol…well damn, if that ain’t one of the most poignant snarky statements in history, i don’t know what is.
What about wrestlers??** There was a situation awhile back where herpes was being passed around due to the direct contact..
* I can be an a$$hole and I’m okay with that
actually herpes can live (if you concider a virus to be a living creature {biology jury still out on that one}) on a dry surface for 36 hours. I used to be an emergency medical technician.
Wrestling + contact = STD
Wrestling = Sex
I hear there’s a high propensity for play wrestling to morph into circus chex.
F yo couch says:
“I say if you can catch an STD from it than it’s sex.”
what about crabs or pubic lice? (not to be confused with head lice)
pubic lice are generally found in the genital area on pubic hair; rarely they CAN BE contracted by way of clothing, bed linens etc. pubic lice need to be near a warm human body to live but can also be found on other coarse body hair, such as hair on the legs, armpit, mustache, beard, eyebrows, and eyelashes. [and can migrate to the genital area].
hot dam i started itching jus thinking about such schtick as this.
First of all, why are yall hating on Donnie! lol Maybe he is un-gay, maybe he is gay. I don’t know and don’t care. If he says he’s healed, I’ll take his word for it. I figure if people can become un-straight (i.e., turned out) why can’t they become un-gay?
Now on to the topic, if you willingly have an encounter with the same sex over the age of let’s say 10, you are gay or at least bi-sexual to me. No judgement but it is what it is…Male or female, in jail, free, out of the country, on spring break, think no one will know, your man talked you into it…you are gay or bisexual. Point blank period. Even if you move on to the opposite sex, you still did it willingly, own it.
I am not interested in dating a man that is formerly gay or bisexual by choice…meaning they were not raped. Just my preference.
“I figure if people can become un-straight (i.e., turned out) why can’t they become un-gay?”
good question
“I figure if people can become un-straight (i.e., turned out) why can’t they become un-gay?”
I can dig it.
“I figure if people can become un-straight (i.e., turned out) why can’t they become un-gay?
Because there is no such thing as becoming un-straight. If you get turned out, you secretly wanted it all along. I strongly believe that the desire had to be already there for someone to just switch teams like that.
so say they were gay all they life then went straight?
Still gay, just living a lie.
lolooloololo
I am with you on that big buck…The reason we have this ambiguous a$$ sexual middle ground is because people are afraid to be who they are and trying to fit into a certain mold they come up with all this other foolishness. Its like society wants you to lie to them. I have seen people obviously gay in the church swear up and down they are not. Everyone else talks about them behind their backs but the openly gay guys are ostracized. Un-gay and now the church is praising and standing behind you? And you wonder how and why there is a DL phenomenon? Please.. you mean to tell me you sold a few records and now you un-gay but when they were giving ninjas electric shock and forcing them to wear those male iron maiden joints none of them ninjas was converting? Quite
“If you get turned out, you secretly wanted it all along.”
*On my Mama*
Not that I’m not flattered by the sentiment expressed by everyone here, that namely once you’ve had a black MAN, you never go back.
But does that mean you all only date virgins because you’re afraid they’ll go back to whatever they were getting before you when they some day magically get this “urge” they cannot control?
Come on people, admit the truth. There is nothing logical about your reasons.
I can’t see, even a prison term, changing someone’s sexuality. Anyone who decides to have sex with the same gender while in prison is probably open to that anyway. They were just never put in a position where that was an acceptable option (somewhat). I disagree with the theory that someone can’t live without that kind of physical contact. I can only see someone considering their alternatives if they got life (or close to it). Seven years may seem long, but it’s not long enough to change someone’s sexuality. It’s one thing if someone is raped, but if they make a choice to participate in same sex relations, they’re homosexual/bisexual in or out of prison.
Nope. Nah. I’m good.
The dude who could only get it up when he was hitting it from behind? I left him immejiately, so to have a man admit he’s been dookie packing? No thanks.
SheReigns,
That’s suspect if that’s the only way a guy can get it off. I know men love big butts…but they also love our cookie so if he can’t get off the “normal” way, there’s a huge problem there.
“That’s suspect if that’s the only way a guy can get it off.”
so a guy who can only get off by having a normally accepted way of vaginal sex with a woman is now deemed “suspect”? damn.
The Champ, no he’s suspect if he only likes it up the azz.
that kind of contradicts with this:
“That’s (doggy-style) suspect if that’s the only way a guy can get it off”
The guy I speak of had his tendencies in addition to this…he couldn’t even get it UP without a backside view and if I must say so myself, I ain’t hard to look at and was donned in lingerie, smell goods, and Jagged Edge. And I was half-drunk!
Champ, face it man it takes nothing to become suspect in the eyes of women these days. I was once told I am suspect because my roommate is gay. How do you get labeled gay just for having a gay friend? One hood rat in particular said i was suspect because I am single and have no kids! What the hell?
Yo people be stereotypin buck. You got the package cuz you skinny. I can kinda feel Bary Obama’s pain.
“because I am single and have no kids!”
Oh wow.
That’s just crazy.
I know that’s right caint I just be a careful lover. please the gall of some people. I’m gonna tell em judge not lest ye be judged ya heard.
Now I don’t think having a gay friend makes you gay.
yep, that’s a definite sign right there…there are women who were married for years and say things like this (after their man comes out)…usually followed by “I had my suspicions, but…” i wouldn’t stay to find out, because as soon as he mentioned that act right there, it’d be a wrap anyway.
How do I say this–well I’ll just say it. They better jerk their own chicken and look at a picture or something while doing it. Men sticking other men regardless if in prison or outside of prison is just gay. You already have to see a medical report before messing with guys anyway with all the STDs out there and add the fact that the guy might have slept with another dude–oh hell no.
Uh Gay is Gay…there is no such thing as being gay for “x” amount of years and then all of a sudden you are un-gay even though the term is hilarious. If someone lives the gay lifestlye while in prison and comes home and decides to live the heterosexual lifestlye they are not prison gay they are simply a DL Gay. Some males think they can participate in certain sexual activites with another male and that does not make them gay, yeah right!
That is the reason that some women, including myself think that some “Straight” men are infact DL Gay men..lmao
‘That is the reason that some women, including myself think that some “Straight” men are infact DL Gay men..lmao’
i dont get the correlation
Some straight men participate in gay acts, like oral sex and do not believe that makes them gay because they are recieving and giving. For that reason I do believe that some of these “straight” men are in fact DL men.
*receiving and not giving
Down Low is just away of not being accountable. I can respect (only respect. nothing else) a man that declares bisexuality more than I can a DL.
And sadly DL’s are usually the brothers, while the white skinned brothers will just admit to being bi…when and if the get caught.
I dont agree with that either. We in the black community have given it a name and run with it, however this is quite common among white men as well. A lot of white men live “in the closet” and have secret affairs.
Exactly…look at that ex-governor (can’t recall his name right now)…but anyway, he was white, married with kids and living a double life.
Question for the good folks of VSB….Do you think it’s possible to say I’m gay for right now, but I do want to have a wife and kids later?
One of my homeboy’s childhood friend came out to him. And when my homeboy asked his friend, how long did he know he was gay this dude says “it’s just a phase…it’s just something I’m trying for right now, but I do want to get married and have kids”. WTH! How can you be temporarily gay? This makes no sense whatsoever to me.
How are you gonna voluntarily let another man put the “D” on you and not think you’re gay?!?!
I guess you can classify him as being a bisexual “traditional” family wanting man.
I think he is trying to reconcile the fact that he is gay with the fact that he wants children. I have seen this happen a lot. They try to use this as justification that they are not really gay. ITs ALL LIES
I am so late- but I totally agree– this is a hot funky sh*tty mess…but I ask -did we forget Richard Pryor “tired it ” for a week and couldn’t do it ?
I have tried alot of ish and I couldnt do it-smoking, drinking gin str8, eating liver…and the fu*ckin’ instant I did..I KNEW IT WASNT for me..so Lets get real..if you like man sausage -you like it..what does that make you ? Someone who likes MAN SAUSAGE..in our socitey that means you are a str8 women or a gay man…PERIOD
“it’s just a phase…it’s just something I’m trying for right now, but I do want to get married and have kids”
One of my very butch lesbian friends told me this same thing. She needs mo’ people. PERPETUALLY!
Becoming un-gay is like becoming re-virgin-ed. There is no way to reattach the hymen just like there is no way to do unpacking. You may clean it up put no one has yet mastered undoing a deed.
‘Bout like turning a hooker into a housewife. Although she may no longer practice the act, she will always have a history of gagging on a gaggle of geese.
lol you know, for some reason i see celibacy as a phase in which some people try to regain their virginity somehow.
I love alliterations…this tickled me.
Hey you can by some tighten up..its like Cinderella’s pumpkin…it only last for a short while but thats all you need! LMAO
ok I JUST got here and I cannot possibly read 8 zillion 3 thousand 17 and a half comments that my fellow non-working VSB(est friends) have already typed on this subject…so I will say this…
I wouldn’t (knowingly) be with an ex-con (again) it’s really more trouble than it’s worth…BUT in reference to the post…I think the basis of the phallus fallacy lies in whether the inmate was throwing or catching. Getting your knob slobbed by another man may not necessarily make you homo-affectionate in a detention center civilization. brain is brain, no matter how smart you are! You may be against it at first, but midway through the first quarter of your sentence those lady/men prancing through the mess hall with homemade makeup, long hair, and their jumpsuits unzipped to the navel & cut into boom boom shorts start to look more and more like really busted women rather than men in creative prison drag…if you are hitting it from the back and keep your eyes closed you can imagine a real live woman!
Bottom line is “necessity is the mother of invention and prison gay-osity” I’m not saying…but I’m saying…
“You may be against it at first, but midway through the first quarter of your sentence those lady/men prancing through the mess hall with homemade makeup, long hair, and their jumpsuits unzipped to the navel & cut into boom boom shorts start to look more and more like really busted women rather than men in creative prison drag…if you are hitting it from the back and keep your eyes closed you can imagine a real live woman!”
………………
“necessity is the mother of invention and prison gay-osity”
Interesting observation, and funny statement…. I just had a thought, if you were in prison with chances of getting out, why would you want your first experience to be with a man in a nasty prison with no protection?… If I had to hold out that long that would not be the circumstances under which I would get my first piece o’ action….
***dead***
please…write some type of adaptation for this. Put it on youtube or take it to sundance…THIS IS SO DAM&N VIVID.
LOL
“I think the basis of the phallus fallacy lies in whether the inmate was throwing or catching. Getting your knob slobbed by another man may not necessarily make you homo-affectionate in a detention center civilization. brain is brain, no matter how smart you are! You may be against it at first, but midway through the first quarter of your sentence those lady/men prancing through the mess hall with homemade makeup, long hair, and their jumpsuits unzipped to the navel & cut into boom boom shorts start to look more and more like really busted women rather than men in creative prison drag…if you are hitting it from the back and keep your eyes closed you can imagine a real live woman!”
“ok I JUST got here and I cannot possibly read 8 zillion 3 thousand 17 and a half comments that my fellow non-working VSB(est friends)”
Now you know we are all at work… just cause some folk got less work to do than others, not me, but other folks. Cause honestly I didn’t read everyone’s comments either, cause I got a lot of work today.
Gay is gay! Prison or otherwise. If he did it in the hooscow he was probably curious or DL before. I don’t care if you lock me up for 20 years and my cellmate is Prince, we are not going there!
this brings to mind the Jamie Foxx special where he mentioned that he couldnt look Prince directly in the face b/c he was so pretty. LOL.
“this brings to mind the Jamie Foxx special where he mentioned that he couldnt look Prince directly in the face b/c he was so pretty. LOL.”
lol, me too
“hooscow ”
I know you’re from the south now!!!
hahahha.
no way BUCK…not the Purple one as your roommate!! don’t look Prince in the eye! He’s got to be Erykah’s daddy or something…he will make you want his extra time and his…KISS!
“gagging on a gaggle of geese”
Try saying that fast 10 times . . .
Hmm “prison gay”….now here’s an interesting concept. I’d like to tell you that I’d be a “down ass chick” if my man got incarcerated but I admit…I’m not THAT loyal. My ass would probably be gone before he even got through booking good. (Sad but true I can’t do convicts. I kept my ass out of prison why couldn’t he?). So let’s not even add the d***down sessions he’d be getting in the mix. But I wonder though just how many women really do wait for their man?
As for this comment: if you are hitting it from the back and keep your eyes closed you can imagine a real live woman!”
DEAD!!!!
Prison gay is like being a little pregnant. Either you is or you ain’t…his baby.
lol were you referencing that jazz/blues song tom was singing to the girl cat on that episode of tom n jerry?
Link to the Tom & Jerry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3vHN1Aadck
Louis Jordan
ooh thank you Alise and Raqi (alphabetical order) for keeping it real w/me. I always wondered if that song had been done by some real singer. I love the blues.
let it be known that if a man is gay in prison, then he is gay. period. henceforth, he is prohibited from partaking from the vagina fountain being that such partakage would risk contaminating the vagina fountain that we, law-biding, never-been-to-oz, men partake from daily.
everyone should just screw everyone freely. imagine how much simpler life would be.
Chaser suggests:
“everyone should just screw everyone freely. imagine how much simpler life would be.”
ima take a pass on this one, and let u do u. ima choose for me. like i don’t know what the fu*k i like, i need you to tell me. F.O.H.
it’s already too much shi*t going around as it is. so if everybody is doing boys and girls and going from sh*t hole to coochie hole it’s even more prolific and potentialy microbial/germy. simple is as simple does. i bet life is more simple when ur dead. simpelton.
safe sex is great sex… why do you assume the rate of any std would increase if everyone were bisexual? perhaps, it’s that you associate those diseases with folks with a certain sexual preference. a mistake on your part.
at any rate, my point is that if bisexuality were the standard, if that were ground zero, there would be less of a stigma associated with ones choice to play on the hetero or homo team.
Chase says:
“why do you assume the rate of any std would increase if everyone were bisexual?
perhaps, it’s that you associate those diseases with folks with a certain sexual preference. a mistake on your part.”
did u taste urself before you thought this? i’m sorry that wasn’t nice. …but did u?
i assume and could very well be wrong (perhaps u can help me think this thru)
again Chaser says:
“everyone should just screw everyone freely. imagine how much simpler life would be.”
all things remaining the same (people practice safe sex no more than they already do) but non-bisexuals became bisexual, then it would seem that STD’s would proliferate. …like the potential for STD’s to spread faster would enjoy exponential growth.
i’m not a statistician obviously and maybe i’m trying to do too much but:
it would also seem that there would be a higher potential for cross contamination of feces in vaginas. i’m not sure but any amount of feces in vaginas can’t be good. i wouldn’t want to raise that potential.
i can be downright ignant sometimes but:
talk black to me.
“did u taste urself before you thought this?”
I just spit out my water!
Chaser can you tell me whom are the highest risk groups of AIDS by transmission category?
like:
race [black, white, latino]
and
hetero[male to female]
and
homo [i.e female to female]
and
age
or whomever or whatever?
black, heterosexual women
ok i’m learning. let’s take ur word for it…
so take a crack at my 2nd response and comment to you above and try to forgive my a*s holish and snyical remarks.
now let’s just say we took that group {hetero females with AIDS} and make them bisexual and now they are swallowing womens juices and having their juices swallowed by other women who might have been lesbian before the switch or hetero but the key is have not contracted AIDS.
does this not diversify and compound the probability pool for disease not only in the initial encounter but those that branch from the first encounter. (male or female) …and this is just the 1st potential transmission group after which (the bi switch) many more possibilities and probabilities combinate.
no?
i’m not a genius i just play one on vsb
Google is your friend:
http://www.until.org/statistics.shtml?gclid=CP-fhezvi5UCFRZjnAodiEtTqw
•An estimated one million people are currently living with HIV in the United States, with approximately 40,000 new infections occurring each year.
•70 percent of these new infections occur in men and 30 percent occur in women.
•By race, 54 percent of the new infections in the United States occur among African Americans, and 64 percent of the new infections in women occur in African American women.
•75 percent of the new infections in women are heterosexually transmitted.
•Half of all new infections in the United States occur in people 25 years of age or younger.
im at the cdc’s website now but wading thru all the bs.
*
In a female to female case, I would think the risk (in passing the virus) would be in toys being shared that aren’t properly cleaned. I don’t believe the virus would be passed from “juice swallowing” in a f/f scenario. Male/male and male/female are the high risk groups. But anything is possible…
yeah kit i’m no doctor although i do play 1 on tv but saliva? people still kiss right, or no? i hear it’s not the easiest way to get AIDS but plausible nonetheless. i think i’ve heard of lawsuits won because a person with AIDS knowingly, spat on another with malicious intent. cum is another juice so to speak…
and this is just one transmission category/group (hetero females) who if turned bi could increase the probability of spreading AIDS. i’m guessing. deductive reasoning.
what say ye kit?
ok khan STFU! u don’t know what the hell ur talking about. and if you don’t like it u can go somewhere and taste urself.
i’m off…
“what say ye kit?”
First off, you can’t “get AIDS.” You can contract the virus that may later develop into AIDS. Most patients die from pneumonia or some other illness as a result of their impaired immune system and never even develop AIDS. The common ways of transmission are via unprotected sexual penetration, contaminated needles, breast milk, and an infected mother can pass it on to her child during delivery. And 20 years ago, blood transfusions were also a way of transmission (before Ryan White & other cases.) Although a small amount of weak antibodies can be found in saliva & tears, there are no known cases of anyone contracting the virus as a result of someone spitting on them. The only way you can pass it on via oral is if you’re swallowing goo-gobs by the gallon. And if you have cuts & sores in your mouth while performing oral on an infected person, your chances of contracting the virus increases. Anyone who may have claimed they contracted HIV via oral was probably also involved in other high-risk behavior, making it impossible to pinpoint the exact cause of transmission. Also, according to the CDC, of the 250,000 new female cases reported in 2004, 7,000 of those women claimed to have only been with other women. But later it was found that they also participated in other dangerous behavior (sharing needles or unprotected intercourse with infected men) at some point. All this to say, of the millions of new cases, less than 1 percent are f/f and of that less than one percent, there’s no evidence that those women contracted it from each other.
You may now go taste yourself.
Your HIV/AIDS stats are on point. But we should all keep this in mind: HIV/AIDS is 100 percent preventable. Be as freaky as you want to be. Wear a condom. You can have sex with a goat for all I care. Just make him wear a rubber.
Also know that gay men still have the highest risk of contracting HIV. Black women are the fastest growing infected population.
“Your HIV/AIDS stats are on point. But we should all keep this in mind: HIV/AIDS is 100 percent preventable. Be as freaky as you want to be. Wear a condom. ”
Condoms are not 100% effective. The only way to prevent transmission is abstinence.
Kitsune, you are right. Abstinence is the only way to truly prevent any STI/STS/STD/
I maintain HIV is 100% preventable. A condom SIGNIFICANTLY reduces your chances of spreading/catching it. So do clean needles, for all those who take it in the veins.
thanks for getting back to us Kit. …and chiming in on the debate of whether or not the occurences of STD’s would increase if every one everyone became bi-sexual if not already. (which i’m not sure you ever really got around to since you were being so kind as to school my uninformed a*s on the AIDS pandemic and thanks btw.)
i used AIDS and its #1 transmission category as an example of an STD that could potentialy spread more ferociously than it currently is if:
“everyone should just screw everyone freely.” [became bi-sexual if not already]
as Chaser suggested.
(and me assuming people would practice safe sex no more than they already do)
i happen to think that if everyone were to become bi-sexual (if not already) then it would diversify and compound the probability pool for sexually transmitted disease not only in the initial encounter but those that branch from the first encounter. (male or female) …and this is just the 1st potential transmission group after which (the bi switch) many more possibilities and probabilities combinate.
maybe we just say that all my chairs are not pushed up to the table and put me in a str8 jacket.
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“(which i’m not sure you ever really got around to since you were being so kind as to school my uninformed a*s on the AIDS pandemic and thanks btw.)”
I did get to it. Since the highest risk groups involve p*nis, if everyone participated in unprotected oral or digital (fingers) sex & intercourse that involved a penis or penetration from shared toys (m/m, m/f) then of course the transmission of STD’s would increase. You have to read between the lines my dear.
I understand that we are human and we learn to adapt to our environment but there is no way in hell its cool for man to slept with another man and not consider himself gay (or at least bi).
Nowadays it isnt even the brothers in jail that partake in this philosophy. Its a phenomenon that is occurring with every day men as well. Thats some scary ish right there.
So prison gay = gay. IMO.
So if a guy or a chick is in jail and gets “taken” and then decides to stop getting their a$$ kicked and gives in, does that mean they’re choosing to be “prison gay”?
Aside: There’s too much labeling when it comes to sex. I’d prefer to be getmyrocksoff-sexual than homo or hetero. I mean really if you always hand-dle things yourself, does that make you autosexual?
and as far as dating a former “prison gay” (yes i used it as a noun. don’t trip, old folks do it all the time) i think that women are being overly cautious/critical.
if a man said that he’d never date a rape victim, you’d look at him with disbelief and call him shallow but essentially he faces the same risks.
how is this different?
this is different because this is one of the few double standards we ( women) have ( girl on girl- that time of the month- I can’t open this jar or change my tire) …we are the seemingly “weaker” sex… being raped- thus overpowered by a man = pity..a man being raped or tapped by a man is well … is just damn nasty.. but it is NOT suppose to happen..
“Prison gay” is a reality and I cannot judge a dude for it. If you are locked up at 17, at your sexual PEAK, for 8 years without conjugal visits or access to a private pleasure room, what are you to do?
I do believe a man can be ‘prison gay’, get released and never think of it again. But, I will not date him. The HIV infection rate in black women has eerily increased as the incarceration rates of our men have gone up. Cannot take any chances.
NOW…if a dude is incarcerated at 30…he should better be able to control his urges. But 16, 17? I think it is incredibly hard for them and I truly feel for them. They just should not look me up if they did more than an 8 year stint.
I think MOST men do a good job of not becoming ‘prison gay’…they turn to God, lift weights (have you seen the prison body??), etc.
I believe this why Islam is popular in the joint: keeps you from becoming ‘prison gay’. All that praying to the east takes your mind off sex.
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Actually, I think it makes perfect sense. Since again sex and love are two very different things.
If you have sex with a man because he’s the only thing there. Wait. Hold up.
Most sex in jail is coercive so I guess we are talking about he coercer, not the coercee. Actually – we are talking about neither because gayness is more than the capacity to have sex with the same gender. Everyone has that capacity. It’s deeper than that.
On the flip side, sexuality is fluid and so it stands to reason if you don’t confuse sex with love and look at “prison sex” as just a means to get off, then yes you can be ‘straight” on the outside.
The problem with questions like this is it assumes one’s position is fixed, when sexuality doesn’t work that way.