Relationship Downfall Week: The Truth
Just like India.Arie…except a whole lot cuter.
Ouch.
Anyway, as a service to the world-wide community, we here at Very Smart Brothas are in the business of dispensing k-nowledge to the masses. We’re kind of like P-tolemy, or dark k-nights who wield sw-ords.
Anybody else wonder why we waste so many letters in the English language? Seriously, is that “w” necessary in the word “swords”? Methinks not.
But I digress. Our goal is to help those who need help getting through the humdrum and conundrumtastic endeavor of everyday living. And with all of that fluff said , our real goal is to help you realize when your relationship has indeed, bit the damn dust. As in its over. As in you can stick a fork in it…because its done. The Champ and I each will provide you 5 ways you can tell your relationship is Hillary Clinton.
Ouch again. Without further ado…
10 Ways To Know That Your Relationship Has Hit The Skids
PANAMA’S LIST
1) The only time your bf/gf faces you while in bed is when you’re actually humping and then only out of obligation since you’re, ya know, humping and not looking them in the face at all would just be rude.
2) Your bf/gf would rather fly solo to things that just seem much better suited for two people, like sex. Or double dutch. Or hell, playing on a see-saw. Anytime your bf/gf doesn’t view you as the total BFF, then you should probably start saying to yourself, WTF?
3) When the cute things you used to do start to annoy the living f*ck out of them. You need an example don’t you. Okay, so say they used to find it cute that you constantly tripped over every 4th step on any staircase in the world because it made you quirky and different. Now? They just think you’re a clumsy f*ck. Hmm…that actually sucks in more than one way. Which might actually make your case better, if you could suck in more than one way, but you probably can’t, so you’re just a clumsy f*ck which is held against you twice. If that made any sense to you whatsoever, you’re probably drinking with me right now since I’m writing this from a nightclub in Washington, DC.
4) If you’re a dude and your chick starts asking you about your ambition in life, you’re on the way out. It means she thinks you have none. You have become useless to her except as a talking sex toy. And even then she might get a B.O.B. If you’re a man and have no clue what a B.O.B. is, she’s too good for you anyway.
5) If you’re a chick and your man starts asking about one of your homegirls more than he should, well he already wants to sleep with her, but now he just might do it. And she’ll probably let him because he was good enough for you, so by default, he must be alright…until he isn’t. Doesn’t matter though, you’re on the way out anyway. You might as well woosah, b*tch, because much like Sam Cooke, a change is gonna come. Except you’ll still be alive after your change. Sam? Not so much. Once again…ouch!
THE CHAMP’S LIST:
1. the usual chivalrous post-coital warm and slightly damp towel has been replaced by a box of kleenex frisbee-d at your head
2. any and every member of the opposite sex you happen to meet, from bus drivers to waitresses to your cousin’s indirectly unattractive friend to neighbors to your parole officer to the nighttime bouncer at the 24-hour wendy’s is sexier and more intriguing than your significant other
3. you start taking serious inventory of all the items (clothes, dvds, etc) in your apartment that belong to your significant other, and fantasize about the day you can sell them on craigslist your apartment will be completely rid of them
4. two words: dutch outings
5. “OHHH *insert name here*” is replaced by “dammit n-gga, you done yet?”
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Play along with us. How do YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU know when a relationship is headed for the dumps?
—VSB
163 comments
” 4) If you’re a dude, if your chick starts asking you about your ambition in life, you’re on the way out.”
Oh snap…I’ve been figured out.
So what this really translates to is “What’s the plan? Because we’ve been dating about a year and if you’re not moving forward in the 3 C’s (career, community and commitment) we’ve both gotta keep it moving.”
Truth is no one wants to rush to the finish line, but they always want to know what the prize is when they get there.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 9:13 am}
Damn yall be up late…I wish I had the kind of job where I could stay up late.
I wanna be just like you when I grow up!!
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ladytreez {May 9th, 2008 at 1:19 pm}
Damn I’m with you on that. Took my dumbass 3 yrs before I KIM. Oh well. Live and learn.
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Monk {May 9th, 2008 at 1:36 pm}
Funny cause an ex asked me that once and I told her a blanket answer because I knew she was asking me that with ulterior motives. Therefore, I KNEW she wasn’t the one.
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Kamilah {May 9th, 2008 at 9:55 pm}
Wait…so wanting to know the plan is an ulterior motive for asking the question “What are your ambitions?”…unless you didn’t have a plan, in that case it may sound suspect…
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Monk {May 10th, 2008 at 1:18 pm}
It really was the manner and the timing in which she asked. It just seemed like she was up to something. Especially given the fact that we had already had the conversation.
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LMAO!!!! If your girl normally cooks dinner when you come over and this time you come in and say you’re hungry; she points to the fridge and says “There’s stuff in their to make a sandwich.” I said that to a bf once and he swore i was about to break up with him. He was right, I was, but I waiting until after he painted my bedroom.
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Ana B {May 9th, 2008 at 1:17 am}
“waiting until after he painted my bedroom” - LMAO
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:06 pm}
lol…its even worse if you don’t even get a point….just a slight and silent head nod.
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When your man/woman starts watching CSI (ALL cities!)shows. They are trying to plot your demise - with the best forensic knowledge a 47 min show can offer.
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Champ’s #1 point had me cracking up laughing.
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Liz {May 9th, 2008 at 1:57 am}
Me too.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 9:25 am}
Yep! That was hilarious!
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Mme. Editor-in-Chief {May 9th, 2008 at 10:08 am}
Yeah, but that would hurt like hell if it does happen! In which you frisbee that sh*t right back at em!
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My B.O.B. and I have been together for 16 years. All of my boyfriends have met him. We’re a package deal! *giggles* Buzzzzz…
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Panama {May 9th, 2008 at 11:41 am}
Hmm…I have to ask. How do men respond to that when you tell them that they’re not the only sheriff in town and might in fact only be the Deputy?
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Cyn {May 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pm}
Most men are pretty cool with it- as long as they get to use it on you a few times.
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Kitsune {May 12th, 2008 at 2:17 am}
LOL! They’re cool with it. Well, when I was 19 my live-in boyfriend took BOB and hid him in his car for 2 weeks. I tore up the house looking for him! Eventually he returned him & we were reunited. He didn’t reveal the theft of BOB until long after we broke up. They way I see it, BOB is an enhancement, not replacement. If you’re confident in your pipelaying, you shouldn’t be threatened. Ex had a reason to be threatened…
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 1:30 pm}
WORD…I only introduce BB (my bullet’s name is Bad Bitch) to VIPs… I don’t have a B.O.B. though, something about a disembodied penis is just spooky to me…lol
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Kitsune {May 12th, 2008 at 2:22 am}
Mine is a vibe, not a “disembodied penis”.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm}
“My B.O.B. and I have been together for 16 years.”
16?
*doing math in head*
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Kitsune {May 12th, 2008 at 2:18 am}
I’ve had him since I was 15. Same BOB.
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It over when the conversations are reduced to grunts of good morning and/or good night
Its over when he/she is speaking in hushed tones on the phone when you are in the room, or he/she leaves the room with the phone when you come in the room
Its over when night out with the boys/girls becomes a standard every Friday night til 5am
Its over when every time you go over his/her house he/she is sending you home with more of your stuff (i.e. get the hint take all your shit and go)
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You guys are out of control, as usual.
I haven’t been in a relationship in ages, thus I have no recollection of when signs of it’s over. How bout, when I start cheating on you?
Kidding.
Or am I?
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Sister Toldja {May 9th, 2008 at 8:28 am}
Liz, we are >< once again. I feel like this is the second comment to this effect I have to co-sign you on. Talking about these relationships is starting to feel like talking about middle school. I have a good idea how it went, but it’s been so long, I feel like my memories are purely speculation.
Perhaps I will just answer based on the experiences of people I know, such as Jay-Z and Beyonce.
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Liz {May 9th, 2008 at 10:16 am}
ROFL. Why was I thinking the exact same thing about Jay and Bey?!?!?!?! Actually it’s quite sad how MUCH I think about them in terms of a model relationship. They STAY being my reference point as of late, probably way too much.
High five.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:10 pm}
you two need to get a room…
…with some strippers
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Sister Toldja {May 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pm}
Haaaay! Can a sister get a table dance? Can a sister get a table dance?
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It’s over when every time you try to spoon in bed your bf says “it’s too hot for that right now” (even though it’s winter with the heat on). eventually, he’s so far on the other side of the bed, you think you think you’ve been quarantined.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:11 pm}
yeah. the “no touching in bed” thing is definitely a sign
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2 VSB indeed! I got 5 on it:
It’s over when your lady goes from being your honey, to your homey, to the chick you live with (and occasionally sleep with).
It’s over when nickels start looking like dimes. When you have permanent beer goggles and every chick’s a *TENN*, yeah, it’s over.
It’s over when he stops asking for ’some’. When she stops asking why he doesn’t want any, it’s really over.
It’s over when she walks past him (wearing nothing but a g-string) and he doesn’t smack her on the arse.
It’s over when you show up at the family picnic and everyone’s wondering “Where’s the guy she brought LAST time, he had a good job!”
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 9:28 am}
Moses, these are great additions!
This one’s my favorite:
“It’s over when nickels start looking like dimes. When you have permanent beer goggles and every chick’s a *TENN*, yeah, it’s over.”
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:12 pm}
“It’s over when she walks past him (wearing nothing but a g-string) and he doesn’t smack her on the arse.”
this was my personal favorite
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Treezy F. Baby {May 9th, 2008 at 10:28 pm}
What is it with guys and the butt smack thing? It is some throwback version to the caveman clubbing his cavegirl over the head? Me Tarzan, you Jane, my butt, I slap, I man, I own you. Grunt. I don’t know but the butt slap to me is like some primitive sign of “ownership.” So when he doesn’t brand your booty with his hand print it means you’re dunzo?
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Its over when you call, hear it ring once, then goes to voicemail
Its over when instead of saying hey baby when you pick up the phone you say, “damn you again, what do you want”
Its over when you bring him over to the house and your little sister says, hey this isn’t the girl you were kissing last night.
its over when you call your bf/gf cell phone, and your number has been blocked.
Its over when you are in the car and your girl is playing scrubs, creep, hit’em up style,i should’ve cheated, i change my mind,and bug a boo..singing each song word for word out loud while looking at you like she just smelt a foul odor.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:13 pm}
“Its over when you call, hear it ring once, then goes to voicemail”
good addition. when you start hearing voicemail more than you hear an actual voice
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Treezy F. Baby {May 9th, 2008 at 10:53 pm}
“Its over when you are in the car and your girl is playing scrubs, creep, hit’em up style,i should’ve cheated, i change my mind,and bug a boo..singing each song word for word out loud while looking at you like she just smelt a foul odor.”
HILARIOUS!
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Nice post
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INDIA ARIE IS CUTE! You are brainwashed, brother. Your conditioning has been conditioned.
I am now going to read the post, but I will now refer to you as “Color-Struck Charlie” (which one of y’all wrote that?)
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 9:10 am}
I hear that…I think India Arie is cute as well and she most certainly has a beautiful soul that radiates on the outside.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am}
In other words she’s a hott-@ss mess with a good heart. Why is it that women just can’t say that. It reminds me of when my homegirls would try to hook me up with their friends. I’d ask “How she look?” They’d always respond “She’s cute and she is soooo SWEET.” Translation: Hot-@ss mess!
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 10:41 am}
I hold my tongue about NOTHING! So when I say I think someone is cute that’s what I mean. I don’t think she’s a hot ass mess, otherwise I would have either sad so or just let Toldja go off on her India spell alone.
I don’t think she’s drop dead gorgeous either, but I think she’s cute…like puppies and kids…some are just cute.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 10:46 am}
My bad…I actually thought that your assessment of her beauty was being jaded by her “beautiful soul.” But now I see that you actually meant that she is cute like a baby dog. I think I can agree with that.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 11:00 am}
That is not what I said…lol, and that is soooo mean. She cute to look at from a societal perception, but I personally think she is a beautiful person and far from “ugly”.
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Sister Toldja {May 9th, 2008 at 1:13 pm}
I think she is pretty and cute. I also think half of these mullato video chicks are very marginal (such as the girl in Ryan Leslie’s “Diamond Girl”, she got beat with the plain stick), but what do I know?
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 2:44 pm}
@ TOLDJA…beat with the PLAIN stick! WOW…lol… too through!
@Teacia…India is not “classically attractive” but she has an attractive spirit…I personally think she looks rather colorpurple-ish…but her personality might put her over the top…lol
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 3:33 pm}
“I personally think she looks rather colorpurple-ish…”
The fact that “The Color Purple” is used as an adjective just took this blog to an all-time high…
GOODENess you, my dear, are too much!
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm}
Color purple-ish! LMAO! You ain’t right Goodeness or should I say Badness! For that comment I say this:
(*with two fingers split and pointing in your eyes*) “‘Til you do right bah me, e’rythang you do gon’ crumble.”
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 9:45 am}
Indie Arie is oogly. I’m sorry. It’s not about her color…her face just isn’t cute.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 10:43 am}
It’s so sad how tear our sisters down just b/c they look different than we do. That women is far from ugly…and trust me I’ve seen ugly…good and ugly but I don’t think she fits the bill.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 10:48 am}
Teacia, so, you don’t think that there are any ugly sisters?
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 10:58 am}
I personally try not to use that term when describing people…but that’s just me. I do think that it’s unfortunate for them to be labeled as such and to be judged based solely on their looks, when in most cases there is so much more to them than that.
I understand the symbol of beauty in today’s society and I too give way to teeth whitening methods, weaves or fire ass short cuts, nice clothes and therefore, thus and such(i just love that statement)…lol, but I just don’t use that word when describing people. I have however used the term unfortunate b/c that’s truly how I feel.
ugly: very unattractive or unpleasant to look at; offensive to the sense of beauty; displeasing in appearance
Now could you imagined be labeled “offensive to the sense of beauty”…damn, now that’s a lot. Do you know how it make you feel as a person? We have to stop tearing down each other, no matter how different we are.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 11:19 am}
F*ck that! Ugly is ugly. just kidding…but not really.
There have been studies that suggest that notions of beauty stands outside social construction. It actually has to do with how symmetrical a persons features are. Therefore, thus and such (lol) babies are more attracted to people who meet the social standard of beauty than those who don’t.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 11:38 am}
I understand very well how aesthetics play a role in relation to the mind and emotions. Women spend a great deal of time on a presentation and beauty, and nature within itself is “pleasing to the senses” b/c of this.
You have no control over how you look, you’re born with it, it’s genetics and frankly a crap shoot, but we have control over how freely we throw that term around when describing human beings. I don’t know, I take offense to it, my sole purpose to is to make young women feel good about themselves despite how society chooses to label them. So I get a little offended when people are judged based solely on their appearance and not their character.
…but these is just my interpretation of the situation.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 11:41 am}
LOL…it’s not that deep. So you’re the authority on ugly? Well, I still say she’s ugly. Be it a puppy, baby, man, or woman - ugly is ugly.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am}
WORD!
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 11:53 am}
I’ll gladly take the position of defending superficial judgments if ur offering it to me.
And it’s deeper than we care to admit at times. But you know, to each his own…u can’t actually expect to reach everyone.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 12:09 pm}
Right, b/c you NEVER make superficial judgements. And if a dude who looks like Sam Cassel asks you for your number, you’ll gladly give it to him b/c you want to know what his deep, spiritual side is like. Riiiight.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm}
I feel like you are somehow saying ugliness does not exist, when it just does. Telling everyone that they are beautiful is just down-right patronizing. There are ugly men, women and children. Some people look like hell and they know it…and they EMBRACE it. For example, it was the notorious BIG who so eloquently stated “Heartthrob never, Black and ugly as ever, however stay Coogi-ed down to the socks..”. This was a man who understood his shortcomings yet over-compensated with Coogi and other such accoutrements. Truly an inspiration.
So, instead of misleading the youth with credos of “everyone is beautiful in their own way” tell those visually offensive youngsters to go out and cop a nice new Coogie (or whatever their wearing these days). It just may help cover up their insecurities!
R.I.P B.I.G — *”We’ll Always Love Big Poppa” plays gently in the bacground*
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pm}
“So, instead of misleading the youth with credos of “everyone is beautiful in their own way” tell those visually offensive youngsters to go out and cop a nice new Coogie (or whatever their wearing these days). It just may help cover up their insecurities!”
That’s some of the most ignorant shit i’ve ever heard(and that’s real). I teach my girls that beauty isn’t everything and to not put so much credence in it, just as the lord giveth, he can taketh away.
“Right, b/c you NEVER make superficial judgements. And if a dude who looks like Sam Cassel asks you for your number, you’ll gladly give it to him b/c you want to know what his deep, spiritual side is like. Riiiight”
Dude you blogged about ur hair and how much losing it meant to you, and how happy you are and good you feel to have it all back…trust and know that how we choose our men is different. And what I said that I try not to call people ugly, it’s a demeaning word only created to incite hate and to show extreme distaste.
Another subject please…b/c I am sooooo over this one.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 12:32 pm}
“Dude you blogged about ur hair and how much losing it meant to you, and how happy you are and good you feel to have it all back”
And your point being…?
You’ve picked the dumbest topic to be self-righteous about. Get over yourself PLEASE.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 12:37 pm}
Teacia, No! No new subject for you, missy!
Seriously though, I was just kidding. You were taking this “beauty” sidebar thing so seriously/personally that I couldn’t help myself. It was supposed to make you laugh (as it was satirical in nature), but you obviously hate jokes as much as you hate people who call other people ugly.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm}
“You’ve picked the dumbest topic to be self-righteous about. Get over yourself PLEASE.”
I was merely pointing out that what’s important to you isn’t important to me…so we’re going to see this topic differently and probably most other topics…but that’s in no way me putting myself on any pedistal.
“Seriously though, I was just kidding. You were taking this “beauty” sidebar thing so seriously/personally that I couldn’t help myself. It was supposed to make you laugh (as it was satirical in nature), but you obviously hate jokes as much as you hate people who call other people ugly.”
Actually if anyone has been following along all I said was that I thought the damn woman was not ugly…but was asked to defend my views on “ugly”, which I did. I don’t hate anyone or anything, especially jokes. But this is a blog, there was no smiley face, there was no LOL…so how was I supposed to know you were being facetious. You asked me a question and I answered and I do take the mindset of our youth very seriously.
I apologize if my sense of humor didn’t align with urs the way you would have liked. And this post was a joke as well sorry I didn’t get it.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm}
“I was merely pointing out that what’s important to you isn’t important to me…so we’re going to see this topic differently and probably most other topics…but that’s in no way me putting myself on any pedistal.”
It’s interesting that of all the blogs that are posted on my site you pointed to that one - the only one where I’ve ever talked about my hair - as an example of what’s “important to me.” You were merely being self-righteous - you’re very transparent, dear.
Gee, who’s that making superficial judgements now?
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 3:28 pm}
You know…they say a hit dog will holler.
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Cheryl {May 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pm}
shes not ugly. shes just not aesthetically pleasing.
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 1:03 pm}
*kicks the bucket*
That is too funny. You could also say that she’s aesthetically challenged or “For SOME eyes only”…
Cheryl, you made my day!
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Panama {May 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am}
Hmm…project much??
I wrote that. You must be one of those folks crusading for India.Arie because you think she gets hated on solely b/c of her skin-tone. Could be valid, but just to let you know, there actually are some folks out there who actually just don’t like her.
Or think she’s cute no matter how “deep” she is.
Me, I don’t think she’s cute (and um I also don’t give a flying f*ck about her radiation - which I also think is borderline pretentious as.the.f*ck) and she just so happens to be darkskinned.
This is another post for another day actually for making that HUGE leap from me saying India.Arie isn’t cute (which she’s actually not, talented yes…wears earthones, yes) to me being brainwasheded, especially since you’re not the first woman to make that argument (not to me personally, but in general). LOL.
Damn misguided India lovers.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am}
I’m not going to go as far as calling you brainwashed b/c I don’t know you like that and you could reasonably just not be attracted to India Arie, complexion notwithstanding.
But do you remember that chic that was “not so cute” that you were in class with, or hung out with, and as you spent time with her, her kindness and spirit made her far more attractive to you than she initially seemed(oh and if u haven’t experienced that then i’m sad for you).
So when I say she radiates beauty that’s exactly what I mean. She is so beautiful and warm on the inside that you can’t help but admire her as a woman and be in awe of her beauty and grace. And to the woman who don’t understand where I’m coming from, I feel sad for you as well.
Misguided: To lead or guide in the wrong direction; lead astray.
It’s safe to say that India lover or not we’re not the ones that are misguided.
….now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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Panama {May 9th, 2008 at 11:14 am}
Well, since we’re throwing definitions around, how about we try another word:
facetious - not meant to be taken seriously or literally
That’s one hell of an assumption you’re making about India.Arie ain’t it? That might be your perception and for many perception is reality so if that’s how you feel its how you feel. However, you can’t fault somebody else for not seeing the same shit you see. They might not be fans of hers at all so why do they have to recognize and appreciate her inner beauty - an inner beauty, mind you, that you’re ascertaining from her music and/or interviews. Unless of course you know her personally, where once again, how would anybody else know that of her.
If I’m not a fan, and I don’t listen to her music, then that frame of reference doesn’t exist.
Volley.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 11:31 am}
I never faulted you, I only said that I think she’s cute and that her soul radiates beauty. I take that from her interviews, her music, her blogs, her charity work, her foundation and everything else she puts out there as a representation of who she is…just as I take your blog as a representation of who you are and what you think.
I think it’s a bit unfair to call me misguided,facetious and borderline pretentious just b/c I took a moment to embrace the inner beauty she projects outwardly. Yes it is very possible that she is a bitch and this is all a facade used to sell albums and gain favor…but what’s the likelihood of that actually being a reality.
Music comes from the soul, it’s a reflection of who you are what you think. So yes, I take her music and how she lives her life publicly as a representation of who she is and I see GOOD in it…what’s wrong with seeing good in a person. When did that become a facetious act?
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Panama {May 9th, 2008 at 11:39 am}
The term facetious was in reference to my saying “damn misguided India lovers.”
As in, I was being facetious. And I think she, as in India.Arie, is pretentious, from those same songs and interviews, etc. that make you feel she’s this beautiful and warm person. Granted she’s talented, I’d never take that away from her.
“Yes it is very possible that she is a bitch and this is all a facade used to sell albums and gain favor…but what’s the likelihood of that actually being a reality.”
Not very likely, but then again, Lauryn Hill was requiring motherf*cking Wyclef and Pras to refer to her as Ms. Hill. So who knows?
What I was point out is this notion that if somebody doesn’t see her as attractive, which was what spawned the whole convo, then they are tearing her down, when in fact, they are merely making an observation…a subjective one, much like your observation and opinion about who she is and what she represents.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 11:49 am}
Not finding someone attractive and calling them ugly(which you directly didn’t do) is two different things.
I say I think she’s cute and has a beautiful spirit, and I don’t think you’re brainwashed for not being attracted to her. I guess in turn I was arguing someone else’s point and not mine…such is life.
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Sister Toldja {May 9th, 2008 at 1:18 pm}
Wow…..I am not gonna have time to read all of this, but I am glad I got it poppin up in here!
I think India is talented, pretty and a positive role model. I also find most of her music to be pretty boring, minus a handful of her songs that I reaaaaally like. I feel the exact same way about Alicia Keys, and thinking back on when they went head to head in the Grammys a few years ago, and India took zero and A. Keys took like 95…and they both had boring ass albulms….yeah, I think people front on India’s looks and talent because she’s not “the average girl from the video”. I’m sorry, but I just chalk it up to conditioning.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm}
I don’t understand why you’re making it about skin tone. You can only be called ugly if you’re not darkskinned and don’t wear Earth tones? We’re substituting “White is right” for “Black is right?”
I’m thoroughly annoyed with folks ASSUMING that any disdain for a darkskinned woman’s talent and/or looks = color complex issues and the like. India’s songs are boring as hell (although I did kinda dig “I Am Not My Hair”) and she tries too hard to show her “deepness” (much like my girl Teacia).
I’ll take Angie Stone over her ANY day.
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Sister Toldja {May 9th, 2008 at 2:01 pm}
I think skin tone is a factor, but strong African features is India’s “crime” against what most Black folk consider pretty.
I agree that India’s music is kinda boring, but how is she more pretentious than say, Jay or BIG or Puff or Mary (who SANG about how many albulms she sold! WTF?) or most modern artists??? I think she is being honest with her audience, and at least she is saying something positive and uplifting.
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panamajackson {May 9th, 2008 at 2:33 pm}
I don’t even know if you can put rappers in the same category as India.Arie and her intended goals. But her pretentiousness shone through in some of the music and videos of her second album. Hell, have you seen the video for “Little Things”? It was a total, I’m above the world so much so that the depth of a ladybug moves me to a point of distraction. Yeah, okay.
She moved into this realm where, yes she should have won some awards and she knew it, so her music took on a pretentious tone unlike her first album which was very self-aware and endearing. Let’s not even talk about her last album which was totally fluff material.
I think on her first album she was being uplifting. I think now she’s delved into generic songs that do nothing to expose herself and just add to the cannon of more forgettable music.
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Sister Toldja {May 9th, 2008 at 2:58 pm}
I don’t think it was about being above the world, so much as it was an exaggerated example of how she appreciates the smaller things. Give me that over Beyonce moaning about VVS stones and Gisueppi Zannotti shoes ANYDAY.
I think damn near all musicians are pretentious and overly self-important when they reach some level of fame. But, again, I feel there is something a lot more wholesome and honest about Ms. Arie than most.
Most rappers place themelves “above the world” constantly, as do Mary and Beyonce….is that only okay when the criterion for being above the world is being wealthy and bragging about it? India was doing the same shit, just on her terms.
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Treezy F. Baby {May 9th, 2008 at 10:41 pm}
This debate about pretension is quite profound because it is funny that at one point I totally agreed with Panama about India’s somewhat-holier-than-thou-ish swagger…I used to get the same vibe from Erykah Badu and Lauryn Hill. BUT Soldjah really opened it up with the fact that this very same sense of braggadocio is what make the hip-hop lyrical world go round! Same pretension, different topics.
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Monk {May 9th, 2008 at 2:30 pm}
Co-Sign.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 3:45 pm}
I happen to be a fan of both of her first 2 albums, I didn’t listen to the latest one though b/c I too agree that her latest album lacked any real depth.
And ummmm K., did you just officially make this blog about me?!?!? Oh my God…*sniff, sniff*…I am soooo honored, *sniff, sniff
*..I would first like to thank God who’s the head of my life, and my family for supporting me for all these years…*sniff, sniff*(wiping a tear away)…come on now.
Seriously, all I said was the chic was cute and that ugly is an ugly word when used to describe people…ain’t shit deep about that.
And let me give u a little narrative about a situation that may put the word into perspective: My 5yrd old daughter whose father disappears in the darkness b/c he’s so black, attended an all white academy last year, and everyday she came home crying b/c people(white people) called her ugly. Now my daughter is not ugly by any man’s standards but b/c she was different and didn’t have caucasion features or a lighter complexion she was “labeled”. Now I know that I’m biased but my daughter is beautiful and dark, and at the age of 4, she learned the magnitude of how a simple word could change your whole world. It’s a mean thing to say to and about people. And yes I may have uttered it a few times before I had her, but when you a child it puts things into perspective.
So you damn right I’m defending her beauty(India), and not b/c she’s dark, but b/c ugly only shows a lack of vocabulary to explain different. So ain’t shit deep about what I’m trying to say, I’m just aware of how what you say can and will affect people well into adulthood.
So I try not to use the fucking word..sue me already. I’m getting strung up b/c I’m defending natural beauty, b/c I encourage people to look past the superficial, and all of a sudden I’m pretending to be something other than what I am, or I’m trying to be something other than aware…what the fuck ever dude.
Child boo…(which all I should have inititally said to this misguided comparison)
Oh well…and I digress.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm}
I’m not sure why you’re projecting all those deep-seated issues onto me. But hey if it makes you feel better have at it, I guess.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm}
Those issues are not “deep-seeded”, they are surface issues I have with the word and it’s importance.
And u still missed the point of why we shouldn’t call each other names…but I honestly didn’t expect you to get it.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 4:39 pm}
I didn’t miss anything. Those are issues YOU have that YOU need to deal w/ that don’t have shyt to do with me. You’re not the authority on what people ’should’ or ’shouldn’t’ say.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm}
Girl what the hell are you talking about, lol…you should feel so honored to believe that my responses had anything to do with you personally…now D* I found that funny.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm}
I better understand your position.
When I was young I went to a school comprised of 99% white kids. The only other black kid in the school(who was a couple of years older) ran up on me, one day, and called me a “black brownie!” I was so baffled at his comment because I’m a caramel shade and he was more of a mocha. I didn’t realize color (amongst black folks) could be used as an attack on eachother. This was my first brush with pigmentocracy (the hierarchy which is established by pigment). just had to get that off my chest.
Oh and on some real sh*t…if I see that nagga in the streets…I’m going to “whuzuzuzup”* his @ss! So the f*ck what if it was 20+ years ago.
FYI–”whuzuzuzup” is the extreme version of ‘whoop’.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 4:35 pm}
LOL…yeah well that’s how we role in Black America.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 4:36 pm}
But nobody attacked India Arie for her skin tone, hair, etc. on the blog. Mofos just jumped to conclusions based off their past experiences and shyt. As if all ‘natural’ women are automatically beautiful! Please.
I’m far from color struck or biased against natural hair/African features. Shyt, the guy I’m currently seeing doesn’t just have ‘African features’ - he IS African.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm}
Actually, if anyone can recall the initial comments…all that said was that “ugly” was not a nice word and it’s unfortunate that we use it to describe one another…and this was simply personal perception…aren’t I entitled to mine as well, for whatever my reasoning is.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:19 pm}
who knew india.arie could cause such commotion?
personally i’m indifferent, but this entire reply lets me know that we need to do an entry (soon) on the whole color complex issue
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm}
“who knew india.arie could cause such commotion?”
I surely did not.
Personally, I can’t say she’s ugly but I will say that her nose has a monopoly on the majority of her face and like Sister Toldja said, we don’t do strong African features here in America. (That’s the sad truth.)
Her skin tone doesn’t really have much to do with it. If she was lighter, she’d still look the same only lighter. Now granted that may get her a little more play in some circles but you could even say that if her hair was straight and long enough, she’d get more play than she would as as-is.
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 3:59 pm}
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm}
My bad I was trying to do too much…
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm}
I agree with Deviant, I don’t think this conversation really has as much to do with her complexion as it does with her African features…and as D* stated if she were lighter it would probably get her more play and she’s be tolerable to some who reject her now.
Yeah I wasn’t ready for this commotion either, but hey…I get in where I fit in.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 4:02 pm}
I meant to say as Deviant stated that if she was lighter…
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Monk {May 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pm}
I don’t think it’s neccessarily a color complex thing. It’s moreso about what people find attractive and it’s obvious that Indi Arie is attractive…to females. Males? Not so much.
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Deviant {May 10th, 2008 at 6:41 pm}
I don’t think that she’s “attractive” to females, except the lesbian ones, because they’re not looking to mate with her. She’s… non-ugly?
The truth is what people find attractive is so subjective to their individual tastes, except in those cases where people let other dictate what they should deem attractive, that you’ll never get a consensus one way or the other.
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Good lists so far.
I would add that it’s over when calls, texts, or emails aren’t returned and there’s no explanation why.
Also, it’s over if your bf/gf plans a trip to go out of town with the homies or to see family, but you’re not informed until the LAST minute. They’re not with the homies.
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When God tells him you are a demon.
Oh wait that sounded bitter, my bad.
When you start getting or giving WHY a lot. WHY don’t you do this anymore? WHY don’t you do that anymore? WHY do you STILL do this? WHY can’t you stay home one night on the weekend? WHY don’t my son look like me? WHY does he look like my boy *insert name*?
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 2:54 pm}
*on life support* @ WHY don’t my son look like me? WHY does he look like my boy *insert name*?
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:20 pm}
**this almost made me spit out my surprisingly tasty xxx vitamin water**
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Cheryl {May 11th, 2008 at 8:55 pm}
for the record … I never experienced any of those WHYs.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pm}
“When God tells him you are a demon.”
this too
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A few signs to know when it is over.
-When EVERY thing you do pisses her off. EX– Not putting your glass in the sink immedately after you finish is cause for her to jump up, snatch the glass off the table, roll her eyes, stomp into the kitchen, slam it in the sink. After which she heads to the bedroom/bathroom and calls her girl friends to bitch about why you exisit.
-When NOTHING you do pisses her off. EX-You all had an agreement that you wouldnt stay our past 2am without at least lettng the other know you & your folk were hitting Waffle House and then you would be home. You stay out 2 nights in a row until 4:30 without calling and she doesnt utter a word. Ex2-You dont do your share of the household chores and instead of her bitching like normal, she just turns on some Mary J. and knocks them out herself while you are trying to finish your season of Madden. (This is also a surefire sign she is cheating on you.)
-Everytime you call her phone she answers and immediately says ‘hey let me call you right back. And does so a few hours later.
-She gets off her cell phone just long enough for you all the knockout a quick seven minute session. And as soon as you all are done and she has handed you the oblgatory mosit wash cloth(which by the way isnt even warm anymore) she, picks up her phone and you hear her say ‘Yeah girl, I am back…Nothing..Just had to do something real quick’ as she gives you the side eye and hands to the kitchen for a glass of juice.
-Her girlfriends no longer laugh and joke with you. They simply greet you with small talk and pleasentries.
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KindredSmile {May 9th, 2008 at 9:37 am}
**Gasps** All of the above rings terribly true - is it that obvious?
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 9:46 am}
LMAO! I love number 1. But, if you’re right about that, I’m f-ed … I feel like my wife lives in this perpetual state of frustration which stems from me leaving the bathroom light on. This frustration takes the form of constant stomping, exaggerated sighing, teeth-sucking, and eye rolling. Not to mention inter-mittent silent treatment. The only thing that keeps me from panicking is the fact that she is 7 months pregnant.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 9:49 am}
ROFL! I’d hate to see what happens if you leave the seat up.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 10:09 am}
LOL! Yeah…that might be punishable by death.
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Panama {May 9th, 2008 at 9:50 am}
So..um…why DO you leave the bathroom light on?
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 10:18 am}
I leave it on because of a design flaw. The bathroom light switch is on the outside of the bathroom instead of inside. WTF!?! It is counterintuitive to turn out the light once you have already left a bathroom. Granted one might ask “why don’t you make a concious effort to hit the switch on the way out?” To that I’d say: “I don’t know.”
I do however think that if a person pays the bills a person should be entitled to certain things…such as…oh, I don’t know…leaving the light on sometimes. But, this is obviously a very cruel world where injustice reigns supreme.
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Teacia {May 9th, 2008 at 11:04 am}
LOL…yep my switch is on the outside as well and I find myself getting back up out of bed to turn it off sometimes…but it is annoying to try and sleep knowing that the damn light is on and creeping it’s way from under the bathroom door. Yep, we women are most certainly crazy if that’s what you’re thinking.
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm}
sex is a great relaxer for pregnant women too…KNOCK HER OFF! she will be sucking her teeth for a different reason!
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pm}
LOL! Do you have kids?
If so, I would like to ask you…do you think pregnant sex is…um… a little weird?
It took me a while to get over the fact that there was somebody else “in the mix” so to speak. I’m still not really over it.
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pm}
yessir! I have a son…(Happy Mother’s Day to all my new e-friends)…I was evenmore “amorous” (if that’s possible) during gestation…but it relaxes the body…releases calming hormones, and feels good…you’re not hurting her or the baby…you gotta get past the cervix to poke her in the head, if that’s what you’re thinking…lol…and it helps initiate labor when it’s time to do that…I was past due and when “daddy” made it happen…the legacy decided he wanted to be born…TRUST ME…that’s probably really why she’s less that happy all the time…lack of vitamin D…seriously…
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pm}
Yeah, I feel you, I guess…
still… cognitively, it seems kinda incestuous though…
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm}
I wish I had your email so I could e-school you…I understand that you are apprehensive on the issue of gestational intercourse…but you are over thinking it…she is STILL a woman…YOUR woman…remind her of that…sometimes…as an expecting mom, so much focus is put on the baby-to-be that she gets lost in the shuffle…she might even have conflicting felling about it too…I was torn on breastfeeding initially, cause for 20 something years…the Dcup’s main purpose was recreational…and I was concerned about getting sexual and maternal wires crossed…pregnancy needs a PR person! but if you need a boost…I’ve heard that pregnant STUFF is the BEST STUFF!!! don’t think so much with the “big” head this time around…go into the light!
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 11:41 pm}
That reminds me of that Kindred song “Woman First”… That was lovely.
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Cheryl {May 11th, 2008 at 9:00 pm}
LOL @ more amorous.
when I was pregnant with my son, his pops told me he was going to have to get a stand in because he wasnt going to be able to last the whole pregnancy if I kept up like I was.
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am}
*ouch* @ all of those LOL.
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Star {May 9th, 2008 at 10:21 am}
LMAO @ your second point. Similar to an experience..umm, my friend, once had.
Why get upset? Save your energy and call up the Slide on the side…I mean, that’s what I hear…a friend told me, of course.
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Wise Diva {May 9th, 2008 at 10:39 am}
I love it when you post, I am guaranteed to laugh, give a hi-five, or say she just broke it way down! LOL
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Suga&Spice {May 9th, 2008 at 12:08 pm}
Thanks Diva! Blowing ya kisses!
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 1:30 pm}
“You dont do your share of the household chores and instead of her bitching like normal, she just turns on some Mary J. and knocks them out herself while you are trying to finish your season of Madden. (This is also a surefire sign she is cheating on you.)”
-That or she has already found an exit and is just waiting for the right time (ie. you pay your share of the bills for the month)
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Ana B {May 9th, 2008 at 4:22 pm}
THIS IS THE SURE SIGN OF DEATH-”Her girlfriends no longer laugh and joke with you. They simply greet you with small talk and pleasentries” if it comes to this its been over, you are just the walking dead
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Its over when you have a single family home and your bf/gf refers to the basement as their apartment. If you can’t enjoy the upper room together, just sell the damned house! Shouldnt have got it in the first place if you werent married.
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Wise Diva {May 9th, 2008 at 10:18 am}
ohh great topic idea. Investing/financially connecting with people you are dating/in a relationship with. VSBs, handle that, kthxbai
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Cheryl {May 9th, 2008 at 12:19 pm}
in that situation now with the ex.
he’s about to get a surprise tho. God’s Escalade is bout to not have insurance.
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm}
HA! then you WILL be a DEMON…Cheryl’s don’t do it! It’s not the ESCALADE’s fault…LOL
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for me, it was when the BF said he wanted to go to vegas — where we were supposed to be getting married like tomorrow — and i assumed it would be a twosome and he was thinking about going with his friends … my presence was optional.
and this em effer didn’t understand why i was pissed off. and yeah, that’s why the next trip i took was a birthday trip to see my folks and i didn’t tell him i was going (just added it to my google calendar, which he was able to view).
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tiffany {May 9th, 2008 at 11:11 am}
(and in case that first sentence didn’t make sense, when the BF and i were talking about being shackled to each other for life, we said we’d do it may 2008, and i was leaning towards the 10th)
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Monk {May 9th, 2008 at 2:41 pm}
Yep…see what I said earlier.
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Your relationship is on the rocks when:
1. You call your girl and she talks to you in the same way YOU would speak to one of your obnoxious homeboys:
Girl: Hello?
Guy: Hey babe, how are you?
Girl: (*nonchalantly) Oh wassup. I’m jus’ chillin. Hey, lemme call you right back. Aight? One.
2. If your man is consistently in the club with his boys, getting drunk. Man + liquor + scantily clad, drunk, twirking women + darkness + deafening music = trouble. Guys don’t go to clubs to bond with their boys. period.
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm}
I got a better one. You come to visit and she talks to you the same way YOU would speak to one of your obnoxious homeboys:
Doorbell rings.
Girl opens door to see Guy and returns to living room.
Guy (walking in the door): Hey, what’s up?
Girl (resumes watching TV on the couch and never looks up): Nothing
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 2:11 pm}
LMAO! Yeah, that’s when you know you’re finished! HAAA
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K. {May 9th, 2008 at 2:22 pm}
ROFL!!
This blog has made my Friday go by rather quickly, ha!
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Monk {May 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm}
D*stroy,
I disagree homeboy…
It’s nothing wrong with kickin’ it with the homies while “Peaches” and “Alize’” twerk it for a few dollar bills.
That’s only a problem when the mortgage money or kid’s day-care loot is wrapped up in a g-string.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm}
is “peaches” the most common black stripper name? this is another study i’d definitely commission. i think if you ranked the frequency of black stripper names “peaches” would be 1st, “diamond” would be 2nd, and “tapioca pudding” would be 137th.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm}
Champ,
You truly ask some compelling questions… I think Diamond takes the cake.
Here are some other stripper names that I think would lead some lucky lady to a highly lucrative career in “the industry”:
1. “Master Ass-clapper of the world” (that’s all one name and it surely speaks for itself)
(just ’cause it is clearly the best name in the universe)
2. Buckshot Beauty– this is going to definitely attract a certain hood constituency.
3. Fat-Back McDaniels (I mean c’mon… it’s just cool sounding)
4. Clidesdale
5. Donkey Kong Jr.
6. Tits McGee
NOTE to female bloggers: these names are not licensed nor copywritten so please feel free to use them if ever you decide to “use what you got to get what you want”
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 4:02 pm}
#3 is starting her shift at Slappy’s* right now…
*I just made that up cause it’s sounds appropriate.
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Ana B {May 9th, 2008 at 4:25 pm}
giving D*Story the evil eye…I hope your wife is having a girl….
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Ana B {May 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm}
D*STROY…I type too fast sometimes… but the sentiment is the same.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 4:34 pm}
Oh sh*t…SHE IS!!! I forgot your not supposed to say sh*t like this when you are looking to raise a young lady.
Is it too late to retract my proposed-stripper-name list?
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Ana B {May 9th, 2008 at 9:35 pm}
nah man you own that now… just remember going forward with the generalizations about women, you talking about your future baby girl…. *just jokes D*Stroy*
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 5:10 pm}
I LOVE “Fat-Back McDaniels” but I only got a handful of rump…so I think I will continue to use my money making monicker “Oh My GOODENess”…dropping splits and stacking chops on “Thick Thursdays” at a shake club near you!
ummm…I mean…IF I was to be a “shoe model” I would use my name…lol…yeah that’s it!
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Monk {May 10th, 2008 at 1:37 pm}
I concur. Tits McGee is CLASSIC!! Where are you Tits?
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When their friends are surprised to see you.
“Oh… Hey, [your name here! I didn’t know you were coming.”
When their closest friend(s) who they speak with everyday without fail, hasn’t heard or seen from them when you ask.
“You know, I haven’t talked to her today. I don’t know what she’s up to…”
When they say “I tired of doing this with you.” - Don’t ask “Doing what?”. You already know.
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The Champ {May 9th, 2008 at 3:26 pm}
“When they say “I tired of doing this with you.” - Don’t ask “Doing what?”. You already know.”
*adding to list*
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Treezy F. Baby {May 9th, 2008 at 10:49 pm}
OMG I think I said those words exactly…but I feel like I always say things the cliched way…like I stole them right out of a movie and had been waiting to say it to someone in real life ever since.
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With our recent conversation on chilvary, I thought a few of my folks over at VSB might enjoy a this new joint by Usher, Trading Places
http://www.zshare.net/audio/117456381306f7dd/
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm}
That’s a “NO”.
1) Usher sounds mad gay singing ’bout “… tonight I’m on the bottom.” - I’m all for the cowgirl but he made it sound kinda homo.
2) A man should not say “Do me” if he is not Prince.
Good sentiment, poor execution…
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Suga&Spice {May 9th, 2008 at 2:19 pm}
LMAO. I was talking about the chick doing all the things that are typically expected of the dude. You know driving, paying, taking him shopping, etc.
But yeah I feel you there is defnately something unsexy about a man wanting to play the role of my whore for the night.
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 2:42 pm}
“A man should not say “Do me” if he is not Prince.”
Whoa, Deviant…are you crazy?! How could you say such an outrageous thing like that? Especially considering the fact that Bell Biv Devoe left their indelible mark on the music industry when they dropped that hit “Do you me, baby”? I thought I knew you…I guess I was wrong.
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 2:56 pm}
D*,
I have not forgotten the work of masters Bell, Bivens and Devoe….
But “Do me” and “Do me, baby” are too different things… I would even go so far as to say it’s the “baby” that makes it okay…
But really Usher just sounds gay now…
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D*stroy {May 9th, 2008 at 2:45 pm}
That should have said *Do me baby*…I obviously allowed my anger and outrage to get the better of me.
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Monk {May 9th, 2008 at 2:54 pm}
Yep, nothing’s wrong with a woman taking control in the bedroom…or the kitchen, or the living room floor, or the car, or the shower, or the…
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 2:58 pm}
Don’t get me wrong there’s nothing wrong with the role reversal.
Although, it would stand to reason that most men would want to retain the rights to penetration.
I’m just saying that the song is no go.
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 3:06 pm}
*got my keys, quit my job, and left the building* @ “Although, it would stand to reason that most men would want to retain the rights to penetration”…
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GOODENess {May 9th, 2008 at 3:04 pm}
co(muhfuggin)sign
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1. When he calls, you roll your eyes instead of getting butterflies like you used to.
2. Seeing his name in your inbox makes you wonder what he wants NOW.
3. You start counting the money in your savings account and looking at cute apartments. (assuming you live together)
4. You start breaking up with him in theory with your girlfriends (I love the one up there that says your girlfriends stop joking and laughing with him - because they always know first) LOL
5. You regret giving your number to him and not to his average-looking, but more responsible and respectable friends.
6. You start not caring where he is or where he goes.
7. You start slowly taking home the things that are yours out of his apartment.
8. You tell him you need your car key back because you can’t find yours.
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Deviant {May 9th, 2008 at 9:07 pm}
#s 1, 4, 5, 6 , 7 and 8 = the comedic truth
Especially #4…
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I’m not going to post anything here because that would just be telling on myself
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Ana B {May 10th, 2008 at 6:59 pm}
hmm afraid are ya?
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PANAMA’S LIST #3
Funny as H*LL… I can RELATE.. Like Martin Lawrence said, when you start out you give each little knicknames ..towards the end you can’t even get a cheeseburger at McDonald’s..get a d*mn hamburger like you been doing cheese cost too d*mn much these days..lol
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