***paraphrased version of a question raised by a friend of the champ’s last week***
With the most important election of our lifetime coming up, its getting harder and harder for me to separate peoples political selves from their actual selves. I was able to compartmentalize before, but I’m so aggressively pro-Obama now that I can’t see myself even considering the idea of dating someone who wasn’t. Is this a bad that I feel this way?
–friend of the champ
you know what, i’m not even going to touch this one (yet). somewhat intelligent people of vsb.com, how would you answer her question. in regards to dating prospects and relationships, how important is politics to you?
—the champ
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As a non citizen of the U.S. ( I can not vote), I think it’s even more interesting that until this election I would have said politics doesnt matter to me, in terms of my mate or SO.
However, at this point in history, I could not enter into anything but an associate level association with a man that was not voting for Future President Obama.
I am seriously considering disowning some relatives for saying they aren’t voting. **SMH** makes me want to shred their American Citizen Certificate
“I am seriously considering disowning some relatives for saying they aren’t voting”
this is worse to me than holding any type of political affiliation.
I agree! If you don’t vote, then you don’t have a right to complain.
I will go a step further, if you dont vote we should be able to stone you in public, or at least throw rotten eggs at you
I concur. Stone them!
i’d prefer the stones myself
My dear IH:
kindly send me the phone numbers of said rogue relatives, i’mma help YOU out!
oh snap! folks bout to get roughed up!
ohh, this is a good one. I dont know. I know that the other day I made the mistake of discussing politics with one of you employees who LOVES Sarah Palin. I got so mad I wanted to punch his a$$ in the face. I maintained my cool at work and I came home and told my husband about it. We agreed and I was able to calm down and we laughed about how much of an idiot these yt republicans are. I am a political person. I volunteer, round up voters etc. It is an integral part of who I am. We can have varying beliefs but we can’t have completely different ideologies. Kind of like I can deal with someone with a different religion, as long as the religion is based on a belief in GOD, I couldn’t however deal with a person that has no belief in GOD or a Higher being. So while I could potentially date a catholic, I couldn’t date an Atheist. So I could date a democrat that was pro Hillary I couldn’t date a republican period
i am right there with you. like chris rock said, “whatever you’re into your woman gotta be into to and vice versa or the sh*t won’t work.” it is absolutely imperative for my idealogies to line up with my SO’s. we don’t have to support the same candidate or agree on the delicate intricacies of policies that govern this country, but our philosophy has to line up. at the very least, i require that my SO to be able to articulately and logically construct an argument of support. i’ve heard little of this from the anti-Obama camp, and by little i mean nil.
this presidential election season has made me irate on numerous occassions. any mention of the GOP–a.k.a. white privilege, hypocrisy, double standards, flat out lies, POW=pres material (wtf???)–sends me into a fury and has me ready to take off my earrings and tie my hair back (and this is just me reading newspaper headlines alone in my office). “i’m like an angry tornado, swirling about.” it gets ugly and, really, i’m too pretty to even go there.
“it gets ugly and, really, i’m too pretty to even go there.”
this is exactly how i feel about prison. and baltimore.
LMAO. Though the Baltimore inner harbor is nice.
only in the day time
You too?
Me, three.
funny you say that. i also feel this way about 68% of the establishments in Pgh. and any club/bar/lounge featuring WAMO.
“funny you say that. i also feel this way about 68% of the establishments in Pgh. and any club/bar/lounge featuring WAMO.”
i was gonna jab you for taking shots at the burgh…until i realized that i agree. dammit
lol. thanks, i guess?
i’d also like to add South Oakland at night.
Baltimore=America’s Anus.
memphis = america’s chris partlow
In an ordinary election there is a slight possibilty I could work with a republican, but quite frankly in this election your friend has a point…if he was voting for “one heart attack away from the oval office” Palin then I would have serious issues with his overall judgement. In other words, I wear lipstick…but I’m a lady not a b*tch…hee-hee!
“I wear lipstick…but I’m a lady not a b*tch…hee-hee!”
lol…you sure about that?
For real Champ? I guess comedy is not in my cards…lol!
*shakes head and exits stage left*
“For real Champ? I guess comedy is not in my cards…lol!
*shakes head and exits stage left*”
we all have are strengths and weaknesses and sh*t. my weakness: grits
word? grits..that 1/2 made up for calling your readers dumb.
Assuming we are talking about people voting on more than race and the fact that mommy or daddy raised the person to be a democrat, their political views say a lot about their values and worldview. I briefly dealt with a non-white republican and it was one of the most awful experiences of my life. I’d look at the person and be like “do you realize believe the sh*t that just came outta your mouth?”
If political arguments with non-important people can get heated, imagine that with someone you consider to be or are considering to be your significant other. You’ll think they’re crazy and they’ll think you support the lazy.
“I briefly dealt with a non-white republican and it was one of the most awful experiences of my life.”
What happened?
yes, Leila, wha’ had happent?
She made a lot of comments I couldn’t believe. She forgot she was a minority just as I was. She labeled black people as lazy and complainers and said anyone could make it if they wanted to. Her parents were wealthy and she felt entitled to a lot of stuff that regular people wouldn’t. Her view for the lower and working class was to “suck it up and deal with it”. Rather than become America’s next OJ, I let her run wild with “her people”. Case Closed.
She made a lot of comments I couldn’t believe. She forgot she was a minority just as I was. She labeled black people as lazy and complainers and said anyone could make it if they wanted to. Her parents were wealthy and she felt entitled to a lot of stuff that regular people wouldn’t. Her view for the lower and working class was to “suck it up and deal with it”. Rather than become America’s next OJ, I let her run wild with “her people”. Case Closed.
Yeah this sums up my major problem with black republicans.
yeah, pretty much!
im not a republican (or an anything, for that matter) but i kinda keep the same mentality as she does (anyone could make it if they want to)… im came from being immensely poor on welfare to being young and successful with a bright future. i dont even know anyone who qualifies as “wealthy,” so it wasnt because of a leg up or anything like that.
i dont think black folk are lazy, i know poverty conditions you to think that failure is your only end no matter your options, and that you are going to fail no matter how hard you try. Poor people, no matter what race have a tendency to lay there and take it because they have been conditioned by their experiences.
my point is that i dont think its fair to accept a mentality of the man with his foot on your neck, because, honestly, YES, YOU CAN, lol. As long as you know what you want to do, you know what you have to do, AND DO IT, you can get where you want to just as “easily” as you think “rich” people can. if that makes me a republican out of touch with the very person i used to be, then so be it. my experiences have taught me as such.
I agree and disagree. I totally believe in personal responsibility. We all know the problems that exist and that being poor and black in America means you have to work twice as hard to receive the same chances and opportunities. However I dont think this is justification for giving up and not trying. Growing up in the inner city put me at a disadvantage and I had to work dayum hard to get the same things as people who grew up and “schooled’ in better funded areas. We didn’t have TI-85 calculators or up to date computers in my high school so when I went to college and took college algebra and computer literacy courses I was starting from scratch where as everyone else was way more familiar with it.(There are a lot more disadvantages I had to overcome but now is not the time) Now again,I worked hard to overcome this, but it does get tiring to always have to overcome and I recognize that as well. So while its possible to achieve your dreams its definitely not as “easy” as it is for white people or people born of privilege.
I agree! It’s such a fine line. On one hand you believe in personal responsibilty and on the other hand, you have to admit that there are those that don’t have the resources as readily available as others, nor the encouragement/support. There are many times that I want to slap the sh*t out of my people for not doing better, and I have to check myself and admit that sometimes, people JUST DON’T KNOW how go about doing better, or don’t realize that they should WANT to do better.
**sigh**
yes, this also sheds light on a bias i may actually have; growing up in NYC my “bad” might not be as “bad” as other rural areas…
I have seen that some children are not shown that they can be sucessful. If they never see anyone come from their area and just make it..not even be rich but get out from the sh!tty circumstances they wont think they have a shot no matter how may psa’s they see. Its sad but it happens. If all you see is sh!t why would you think there is anything else? Some kids overcome it but alot dont.
I’ll touch it, Champ—It all depends on how good the p*ssy is! *just playin’* but seriously, do you actually think that McCain supporters are actually good in bed? Don’t answer that-LOL for real tho’, I think if your political views are far from mine, it would not work…you talkin’ bout goin’ to blows everytime we watch CNN? nah, i’ll pass
do you actually think that McCain supporters are actually good in bed?
Hilarity!!! I had my laugh for the night. Thanks much.
“do you actually think that McCain supporters are actually good in bed?”
two words: bristol palin
He didn’t say good at making babies, he said good in bed.
R-E-A-D!
lol…
“two words: bristol palin”
That sounds like some pain medication
LOL
just because she can catch some Alaskan pipeline, doesn’t necessarily mean she’s great at it!
“just because she can catch some Alaskan pipeline”
OMG! LMMFAO!!!
**gasping for breath**
i’m thinking in states like alaska where theres nothing to do, it gives people opportunities to, ummm, “experiment” more. i’d bet theres more freaks per capita in states like alaska and any other sparsely populated red states than new york
yea but where as we would play around in NY with some Butter Pecan ice cream, you got Alaskan b*tches wanna slap you with some salmon or something…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“I’m so aggressively pro-Obama now that I can’t see myself even considering the idea of dating someone who wasn’t. Is this a bad that I feel this way?”
If she feels that way, then she should do what she believes but she may miss out on a lot of great men. She shouldn’t hold it against a guy for not being a strong Obama supporter as long he respects and values her opinions and decision for being pro-Obama. I’m personally an independent and while I do support Obama, I wouldn’t make it a dating requirement because each person is entitled to their own political beliefs and it doesn’t shape who they are as a person.
“She shouldn’t hold it against a guy for not being a strong Obama supporter as long he respects and values her opinions and decision for being pro-Obama.”
***the prevailing word world outreach center***
Waving my fan. Like the Baduettes in the “Bag Lady” video.
“She shouldn’t hold it against a guy for not being a strong Obama supporter as long he respects and values her opinions and decision for being pro-Obama.”
i feel the same way about everything. we dont have to have the exact same feelings on things, but we do need to respect one anothers feelings…
i almost dated a baptist who thought i was an atheist just because i’m not christian. i never said i didnt believe in god, i just said i wasnt christian. some people dont know how to respect beliefs different from their own, they only know how to oppose them.
i almost dated a baptist who thought i was an atheist just because i’m not christian. i never said i didnt believe in god, i just said i wasnt christian. some people dont know how to respect beliefs different from their own, they only know how to oppose them
Shay this is getting scary. I literally had to look at this section and think hard about whether I wrote it or not. I have had the same experience and come to the same conclusion. Except I cant date a republican.
“Shay this is getting scary. I literally had to look at this section and think hard about whether I wrote it or not”
sh*t, up until like two weeks ago, i thought ya’ll were the same person, lol
lmao thats funny. i guess i should start calling myself shay # 2…
LMAO me too….
sh*t, up until like two weeks ago, i thought ya’ll were the same person, lol
LMAO me too….
The only excuses anyone has for voting for McCain-Palin is that they’re:
1) blood relatives,
2) are avowed racists, whether openly or secretly,
3) the only thing care about getting Roe vs. Wade reversed, or
4) they’re hopelessly out of touch with the economy and never ever read or watch the news.
I can respect #3, but would point out that McCain’s goal to save the unborn might be to put them in uniform so they can be drafted for the GOP’s planned century of wars. Thus they would need to wrestle with which their Pro-Life platform is merely a Pro-War death platform in disguise. War is the abortion of the already born.
I personally don’t have a single friend whose said they’ll vote McCain, although I have heard a number of folk say they won’t vote at all. Can’t do much about them if their mind is made up in stone (sigh).
My Obama-shirt wearing azz will show up on 11/4 with my son, whose voting the first time, and as many of his homies and my elderly neighbors that need a ride to the polls. Y’all don’t forget about the old folks; some of them have no way to get there.
I just hope and pray that if Barack wins, he won’t let us down, or go down like MLK and Malcom X. I don’t know if could psychologically recover from either, especially the latter.
“I just hope and pray that if Barack wins, he won’t let us down, or go down like MLK and Malcom X.”
I’m confident he won’t let us down, and even if he does, I’m sure his worst won’t even be half as bad as what Bush has put us through over the past 8 years, or what McCain’s worst would be.
“I’m confident he won’t let us down”
I think B is going to do his darnedest to keep his campaign promises. But we must be real: he is inheriting a darn near broke country and before he can start spending on social programs he has to clean up the budget. We will very likely see a tax increase. I don’t see how there is any way around it. Also, it will take more than 4 yrs. for Obama to realize his vision for America. We not only have to work our butts off to get him elected, we have to work to get him re-elected to a second term. Honestly, after inaguration, the organizing has to start for 2012.
I agree 100% VEG. I had typed that most if not all of his term will be spent cleaning up the mess that Bush made, but then I deleted that because I sometimes ramble and go off into tangents. But cleaning up a mess is a whole lot better than digging us in a hole even deeper. If he raises taxes in an attempt to clean up the economy, so be it. I don’t consider that a “let down”.
Yeah. Cleaning up a mess is a whole lot better than making it worse. And I wouldn’t see a raise in taxes to fix this broken economy a let down either, but the ‘others’ will and will try to use it against him.
“their Pro-Life platform is merely a Pro-War death platform in disguise. War is the abortion of the already born.” that is some funny a$$ shyt!! OMG!!!!
yes, the elderly need help…my mom every year takes her van and picks up the elderly in her community to give them rides to the polls. this year one of my closest friends has put together a Voter Drive to do the very same thing, currently a few Frats and Sororities have signed and Humana contacted her to sponsor the event. If anyone is interested in participating in their city or here in Atlanta, shoot me an email ljones@acuitasinc.com
“Pro-Life platform is merely a Pro-War death platform”
Id like to see this tshirt
“My Obama-shirt wearing azz will show up on 11/4″
- Just don’t wear the shirt…
I’ve had to remind numerous friends who intended to wear Obama shirts (aka the new Vote or Die t-shirt for this election) not to wear them…they will make you turn around. No candidate paraphernalia within 150 feet of the polls.
Knowing is half the battle. – G.I. Joe
That right yall…ladies, go to the polls topless! NOYCE!
***SMH***
i second that…in fact i propose a bottomless affair a la Harold & Kumar 2
I’ve had to remind numerous friends who intended to wear Obama shirts (aka the new Vote or Die t-shirt for this election) not to wear them…they will make you turn around. No candidate paraphernalia within 150 feet of the polls.
is this something new? I have never been turned around… I thought this only applied to signage and the staff working the poll.
“Y’all don’t forget about the old folks; some of them have no way to get there.”
this is a great point
I have always been very political in my views… And vibing with someone who is on the complete polar opposite of said views would be a tad difficult (euphemism of the century!)…
So I totally understand where the lady is coming from. Now, I can respect/accept a healthy debate on differing views… But if you’re pro-life while I’m pro-choice, it can become a problem down the line.
“But if you’re pro-life while I’m pro-choice, it can become a problem down the line.”
why this issue in particular?
I would assume they were….how do I say it….they’re having ess-ee-eks.
Haha! I don’t get sprung off if you don’t like Obama so much as I will seriously question your intelligence and right to breathe if you actually think Palin would make a reasonable President. But I felt the same way about Bush in 2004. You are dead to me if you voted for him then. You can tell me this in 2050 and I may still feel the same way.
Besides, my political stance intertwines with my life. I talk about shyt like that allada time. And being able to have a conversation and not an aneurysm at the same time is high on my priority list for friends/SOs. Its like I will have to drop yo behind if you are a committed homophobe. Just can’t fux witchu.
My thing with McCain supporters is that I believe they have lost all hope for America.
I support Barack but honestly I don’t think either he OR McCain has enough experience running a government (i.e. big city mayor for 12 years, governor** of a state that has more people than an inner city Chicago high school). Barack gets my support, despite his thin resume (I will take the backlash for saying this but I would like to add that I worked with Obama years ago, before he was the U.S. Senator from IL. Not that it is at all relative but I was hoping it would win me some sympathy points, lol.) is that he INSPIRES folks.
For America to fix its economy, repair its international reputation, provide a quality education to our children, we – citizens and our lawmakers – have to first believe that we can do it.
B has given us hope that we can be great. If you can’t get down with hope, I can’t get down with you.
**Bush was a governor and this didn’t prepare his a$$ for ish so perhaps experience running a government is not all that it is cracked up to be.
I dont know why you would get backlash. I totally agree, I am a Barack supporter but I am also a realist. His experience is thin but so are all the candidates on the bill. Barack is not the perfect candidate by all means, he has flaws but like you say he truly believes that we can do better, he inspires the best in people and I believe he truly wants this not for the prestige of being president but because he wants to make a difference. On top of that. He didnt vote for the war and is not trying to overturn Roe v. Wade and is all about economic rebuilding, education and universal healthcare. O’bama.. F*ck witya girl….
“I dont know why you would get backlash.”
Girl some of Obama diehards cannot take you saying anything negative about him. lol. They be tryin to fight.
I was about to state what you said in your footnote, so I guess I don’t have to now.
Only 16 (out of 43) U.S. presidents were governors before being elected president. Kennedy, one of our most beloved presidents, was never a governor, but was a senator before his term. Nixon was never a governor either (although he was a vice pres before his term). Same for Lyndon Johnson and Gerald R. Ford.
But all that is off topic and nothing new.
I know. Kennedy inspired people…led them to believe. So he won on that.
Johnson first got the presidency on an assisination tip so he don’t count. But he had experience he could point to during re-election. And Ford got it off of Nixon’s resignation. lol.
And I realize that only a few presidents have only been governors but I think real (not Palin-esque) executive experience can go a long way. Not to include Bush, of course.
“Kennedy inspired people…led them to believe. So he won on that.”
Hopefully that’s what we’ll be saying about Obama down the line
“Johnson first got the presidency on an assisination tip so he don’t count. But he had experience he could point to during re-election. And Ford got it off of Nixon’s resignation. lol.”
True. But we consider the vice pres during the presidential election, which is why Palin is relevant. Because if (when) McCain has that heart attack, she’ll become our 45th if the American public chooses them.
Yeah. John McCain will prolly die in office and that chick will be our President. Sigh.
Though I am sure the state of the union would be entertaining with her at the helm, I fear what this country would look like.
“Yeah. John McCain will prolly die in office and that chick will be our President. Sigh.”
Yeah, maybe…but honestly IF dude were to become president (God forbid this happens) he’s a wealthy and healthy YT man with access to the best of healthcare. So from an odds standpoint he’ll probably make it to 76 years old if the stress of the job doesn’t do him in. And with the possiblilty of Palin being next in line they have additional motivation to make sure he reaches 76…they know what they really have in Palin…not much.
Obama may not have the traditional Washington experience, but at least his resume holds more weight than Palin who I LOATHE (yes, I said loathe) by the way.
Can I tell you I am with you on the LOATHE tip. I actually said to my class the other day that “I am offended as a woman that the GOP would nominate THIS woman as a VP, it is a slap in the face to any woman but especially all of the women that broke the ceiling before her, Shirley Chisolm, Patsy Mink, Geraldine Ferraro, Hilary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi etc (http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30261.pdf)… all these women busted their azes getting into the ole (all white) all boys network and here comes this chick who has the nerve to say that because she can see Russia from her back yard she has a track record in international politics. Sh*t I can see the Atlantic Ocean from mine that don’t mean I know how to sail…” I am O-ffended
i think it’s insulting not only to women, but to americans as well that they would exaggerate her qualifications like that in an attempt to win the election. even karl rove said her selection was a political move.
and if I hear one more time about her down syndrome baby and her other 4 children… I mean really she couldn’t even talk to her 17 year old about how NOT to get pregnant, we are expected to believe she can deal with heavy hitters on a global scale. GET THE EFF OUTTA HERE!!!
Experience is overrated. There is no job that can prepare you to be president. Many ex-presidents have said this.
“And being able to have a conversation and not an aneurysm at the same time is high on my priority list for friends/SOs.”
I definitely agree with that. I cherish my blood pressure and would prefer that it not shoot sky high every time the news comes on and my SO is around. So I might have to re-think my stance of “as long as they’re registered to vote and know whats going on in the world, they’re fine with me”.
I’d definitely find it hard not to stab my SO in the eye with a spork if he was set on overturning Roe v. Wade
Just watching a McCain advertisement while watching my favorite shows makes me want to put on a pair of football cleates and go out kicking kittens in there cute little faces while listening to Jim Jones
“go out kicking kittens in there cute little faces while listening to Jim Jones”
LMAO
I just spit out my Dannon Light & Fit Smoothie all over the place
“I just spit out my Dannon Light & Fit Smoothie all over the place”
lol…stop frontin like that was “smoothie juice”
whispering in Champ’s ear
I dont spit
This made me spit out my regular plain ol’ H20.
“whispering in Champ’s ear
I dont spit”
……………………….
wow, that QUICKLY took a turn! lmao
*dying at the use of spork*
I think, as some have stated, that there has to be a common ground somewhere. I don’t think I would toss someone out of strictly on the basis of their political affiliation so much as how they act on it. Sheryl Underwood is republican but she supports Barack. Maria and Arnold are making it work. But I could be speaking out of turn. I’ve been fortunate enough to never have been with someone who’s beliefs were radically different from mine. We may have had different views on certain issues, i.e. certain gay rights issues (do what makes you happy, it’s hard enough to find love as it is), abortion (pro-choice), but on those things we usually talk it out and then agree to disagree.
I know what you mean. I ‘ve had friends who were definite republicans but with brains and coherent arguments and I greatly respected them. I just thought they were dead wrong. We could get into some fun debates (aka great arguments). But for a SO…. nah. There couldn’t be a big pervasive issue that we simply couldn’t talk about. B/C my republican friends I had to treat like my friend who believes Michael Jackson only had 2 surgeries. We had to leave the whole issue alone after eating a pork chop and some potato chips.
Not a bad thing. I can’t date anyone who doesn’t know the true value of red koolaid. We all have our vices.
after a much needed and long nap. I had to re-read this 3 times just to make sure it really read: “the true value of red koolaid”
LOL
“Not a bad thing. I can’t date anyone who doesn’t know the true value of red koolaid. We all have our vices.”
see, this is why i stay jockin liz-b
“see, this is why i stay jockin liz-b”
and all this time I thought it was cause she has plump pillows below her clavicle, go figure
“and all this time I thought it was cause she has plump pillows below her clavicle, go figure”
they help. they definitely help
LOL.
hi Liz
this is so true. that’s one thing i get riled up about…the insistence that red is not an actual flavor!
i care about kool-aid.
if you were into Politics you could use this as your platform
“i care about kool-aid.”
i’ll keep that in mind. though i’ll never go into politics. i dont want to have to answer for that time I…or that weekend where…ya know…and then there’s those two blondes, that coat hanger in the airplane hangar on route 66…oy vey…
just use the response very familiar to most black men
“wasn’t me”
Haha! I don’t get sprung off if you don’t like Obama so much as I will seriously question your intelligence and right to breathe if you actually think Palin would make a reasonable President. But I felt the same way about Bush in 2004. You are dead to me if you voted for him then. You can tell me this in 2050 and I may still feel the same way.
Besides, my political stance intertwines with my life. I talk about shyt like that allada time. And being able to have a conversation and not an aneurysm at the same time is high on my priority list for friends/SOs. Its like I will have to drop yo behind if you are a committed homophobe. Just can’t fux witchu.
BTW I’m used to being on other recently shutdown blogs and this foolywang about my sailor language is annoying. I don’t cuss that much dagnabit. Moderation nshe’et
I felt the same way about Bush in 2004. You are dead to me if you voted for him then
Besides, my political stance intertwines with my life. I talk about shyt like that allada time. And being able to have a conversation and not an aneurysm at the same time is high on my priority list for friends/SOs. Its like I will have to drop yo behind if you are a committed homophobe. Just can’t fux witchu.
I agree 100%
Word is Bawn! at some point ya’ gotta think to yourself “is this the person thats gonna run the country should the president pass away”…if you can’t see Palin doin’ it , then don’t respect it. period. if you see that chick handlin’ the nations biz, I don’t want to date you, screw you, or give the time of day!
if you see that chick handlin’ the nations biz, I don’t want to date you, screw you, or give the time of day!
lol…tell us how you REALLY feel next time
Think of it like this. My husband and I live together (shocking right?) so we have the exact same financial situation and issues. I would not be able to understand if we share the same problems why he would advocate a ninja whose whole plan to fix the f*cked up economy is to create another f*cking committee that will report to him how f*cked up the economy is and providing on the job training when the issue is that ninjas aint got an “on the job” in the first place. Instead of supporting a ninja who is talking about jumpstarting the economy with tax relief for the middle class, creating new jobs by investing in new technology and innovation as well as reinvesting in the transportation by building new highways, railroads etc and universal health care. I just woudnt be able to get past that.
“I would not be able to understand if we share the same problems why he would advocate a ninja whose whole plan to fix the f*cked up economy is to create another f*cking committee that will report to him how f*cked up the economy is and providing on the job training when the issue is that ninjas aint got an “on the job” in the first place.”
perfectly stated. my zealously liberal mother has asserted many sentiments such as these, though i think her ratio of “f*ck”(and all it’s conjugations) to all other words was inversed.
I am a very political person who is a registered Independent. I don’t care who a person supports politically, honestly, as long as their views are somewhat progressive and that real thought goes into their decision making.
For example, someone dead set against abortion even when the child was conceived via rape or incest, would irk me. If they don’t even consider the psychological affects having a child conceived during rape would have on a woman and how that would slow her healing process- even if she places it for adoption after the rape – we couldn’t talk.
Similarly, anyone who has extreme views about education, social security, gay marriages, etc. and has formed those views without doing any research at all, would die a quick death in my presence.
I guess I am saying that I could date a centrist. But not anyone on the extreme right OR left (totally die hard liberals also irk me, lol).
I totally agree VEG..
But this election is so important. I feel that this election much like the one before it has very little middle ground. The candidates are polar opposite on almost every single major issue and although most people dont agree 100% with either candidates platform, This political race revolves around several hot button topics that could potentially reshape America as we know it: Roe v Wade, the economy, war, and not to mention the implications this political race holds concerning race relations in this country. If anything this political race has shown how far the nation has progressed but also how FAR we still have to go before there will ever be equality among the races…WE are at the fork in the road that Robert Frost described “Two roads diverged, and sorry I cannot travel both” one road takes us forward while the other road sets us back…I don’t know if I could date someone I held responsible for setting the whole country back 100 years.
I agree with you. My support (love, lol) for Barack is based on the fact that he believes this country can be something spectacular (see post above). If a person cannot get behind the first candidate in a looong time to really talk about making America different and better and who has proven through his campaign that he wants to involve people in the process, then they need to step off. lol.
“Similarly, anyone who has extreme views about education, social security, gay marriages, etc. and has formed those views without doing any research at all, would die a quick death in my presence.”
Co-sign. Please dont go hard on an issue and you’ve never done any research or even attempted to hear out both sides. If a man is on some “it’s gotta be this way because I said so” type of bull$hit, he can kick rocks, but if his argument is researched and well thought out, I still may be irritated by him if i dont agree, but at least he’s not coming from an ignorant place with his opinion.
“totally die hard liberals also irk me, lol”
me too, actually. probably even more than fervent conservatives
I remember being a 10 yr old and my Dad telling me that he was p!ssed off at my mom for thinking for a millisecond that she just might vote for Reagan. Now of course, Reagan was out of the White House by this point, and my parents had been divorced for around 9 years, so I have no idea why he felt the need to share this bit of info. Pop’s shut up and sit down somewhere and stop letting it be known that you haven’t gotten over my mama!!
Anywho, I wouldn’t hold a person’s political affiliation against them. As long as he is up on current affairs and he’s registered to vote, he’s a winner.
As we watched the Super Bowl, a guy friend of mine gave me the stupid face when I asked him who he was voting for in the democratic primary. “Vote?!?! I’m a Black man! What I look like voting?!?!”
Now even though this man had just supplied my friends and I with endless ribs, chicken, and free likka (and i’m sure would continue to keep my belly full for the rest of my life), I had to walk away from him…after I finished eating and drinking, of course. Any man talking about he isnt voting, and doesn’t have a concrete reason that makes sense, makes the c00ch dry up and the cl!tor!s dry heave.
“Pop’s shut up and sit down somewhere and stop letting it be known that you haven’t gotten over my mama!!”
this made me choke on my toast
““Vote?!?! I’m a Black man! What I look like voting?!?!””
that was his way of asking for a throat punch, you should have obliged
yeah, at this point in life, there really ain’t no good reason not to vote.
hell i live in the district of columbia and outside of the general election for president i dont get a say so on sh*t…but i stay votin’ dun dun…
Word. DC stand up–taxation without representation and Eleanor for first State Governor!
I second that emotion!
Do you know I had friends visit from out of town and had NO IDEA that folks from DC don’t have a voting delegate in Congress until they saw the license plates?? I was flabbergasted to know that our plight isn’t nationally recognized.
“…doesn’t have a concrete reason that makes sense, makes the cooch dry up and the cl!tor!s dry heave.”
* calling housekeeping to clean off mango smoothie from my monitor*
” but I’m so aggressively pro-Obama now that I can’t see myself even considering the idea of dating someone who wasn’t”
well theres something like 8 million black folks who don’t (or CAN’T) really give a good got dam#n. I wonder about THESE people. Where are they living, seriously, I’ve thought about taking a leave of absence from my job for a month to help find all of them, take um out for a dam%n drink and vr card.
I know some negros who have over intellectualized the electorial college vs. the pop vote and thusly have decided to opt out of the whole process.
At that point I can’t date you. Though you may understand some of the system, you’ve totally negated all the black folk who made your dumb @zz life possible to even discuss the process.
i take history VERY seriously. and I think its disrespectful to the people who lost their lives in Selma. Its like going up to them all and spitting on them.
1965 was not a long time ago.
see I kicked ninjas that didnt vote to the curb a long time ago. Whats even more suprising to me is that a lot of college educated ninjas make the decision to not vote. WTF is that about?
“WTF is that about?”
i don’t know. VSB might be a nice random sample of EBF across the country, how many of “us” will opt out of the process thinking we don’t really decide whose president?
would anybody admit that church?
And speaking of church, how come my pastor (whom I love dearly, head of a VERY connected but diverse black congregation) keeps telling people God is our President. Yes, yes he is…but no, no he’s not.
there’s alot of mega churches in the black community who have tons of mobilization power but just leaving it up to God. I think God would be down for some change too, now. And God also endorses a little self-determination and action.
the whole struggle was rooted in the church.
“God is our President. Yes, yes he is…but no, no he’s not.”
I laughed out loud at this.
Me too.
my president is Black. the only time i ever felt Young Jeezy was ahead of the curve.
i want one of them damn t-shirts.
Black folks that don’t vote need the drop squad…
“there’s alot of mega churches who have tons of power and just leaving it up to God. I think God would be down for some change too, now. And God also endorses a little self-determination and action.“
Hallelujah holla back!!
Faith without WORKS is dead…duh! Yes God is our President (I kinda chuckled when I typed that), but he also gave us this lil thing called FREE WILL, which means we can do whatever the hell we want, so we’re gonna have to do a little more than rely on God being our president.
But im sure you’re pastor came from a good place with that message.
“he also gave us this lil thing called FREE WILL”
GOMH suga. lol. I thought that when I read your post!!! We need to exercise our FREE WILL and repair the damage our FREE WILL has caused. We were given utopia and destroyed it through our own actions and only we can fix it.
“Faith without WORKS is dead”
***Touch Down Jesus*** where’s my bible.
NOT “Touch down Jesus”!
LOL, Oh glory…
please dont spike the bible!
there’s alot of mega churches in the black community who have tons of mobilization power but just leaving it up to God. I think God would be down for some change too, now. And God also endorses a little self-determination and action.
the whole struggle was rooted in the church.
I dont know how I feel about church and politics.. after Bush used the black churches to his advantage with the whole gay marriage thing.. I would rather pastors preach and leave the politics alone however I dont know that I want anyone saying that “God is our president” LMAO.. I might make that my signature for the day at work tomorrow…
“I would rather pastors preach and leave the politics alone”
thank God this didn’t happen during civil rights. seriously, THANK GOD.
I would rather pastors preach and leave the politics alone”
thank God this didn’t happen during civil rights.
WOOO SAAAA
Here is MY OPINION on it
During the civil rights era churches played a central role in the community. the pastors not only were leaders in the church but in their respective communities as well, advocating for civil rights and against civil injustice. The church in this day and age is no longer central to the community instead becoming more like mini communities within themselves. . These sovereign mega churches are moving out of the neighborhoods they previously catered to and now seem to advocate upward mobility over social reform. There is nothing wrong with that, but in distancing itself from the communities it has also distanced itself from the problems and issues of said community. This is highlighted by the fact that many churches found the issue of gay marriage more important than the impending war on Iraq, the growing inequality of the public school system, health care and social security and welfare reform. Also a lot of the sub issues currently at play in this era (i.e. death penalty, roe v wade, same sex marriages) were not major issues during the civil rights era and cause a conflict of interest due to the basic ideology of Christianity. So rather than have a pastor have to choose McCain because the bible is more in line with the republican stance on those issues I would rather they preach and play a spiritual role. My opinion,you don’t have to agree with it…
Shay d, we can hang girl.
Shay d, we can hang girl.
I was just thinking of asking you if you had a gmail account. LOL
“My opinion,you don’t have to agree with it…”
thanks….
I would tend to agree behind the ideals of church, i also happen to believe that upward mobility used correctly is social change in and off itself. The black middle class can’t wrap their head around that because …new money is distracting.
Im not looking for Jimmy Swaggart to tell me who and what to believe. Much of the bible can be interpreted in many many ways. I always look for shreads of consistant truths through out the biblical text (which also flows in and around all other religions).
a sermon in almost every single sect/religion could be preached around BELIEF and THOUGHT.
I happen to believe that the whole “GOP is tight” paradigm is a concession….as well as God being President but in a more apathetic way.
this thread is illustrative of the problems differing political viewpoints can bring.. and WE are all for Obama imagine what would happen if we werent? I dont think a relationship could survive that drama. He.ll I have had to retype several comments to prevent all out “what you say bout my momma” war. VSB better than anger management!!!
“this thread is illustrative of the problems differing political viewpoints can bring.. ”
i don’t think its a problem…black folks don’t all think the same. Ive learned alot from you and VEG. Discourse is the only thing that channels my A.D.D LOL…and without friends who weren’t Dems, Repubs, Indies…id prolly be on medication. Sameness is boring as hell… not hot…and death to the creative spirit.
i don’t think its a problem…black folks don’t all think the same. Ive learned alot from you and VEG. Discourse is the only thing that channels my A.D.D LOL…and without friends who weren’t Dems, Repubs, Indies…id prolly be on medication. Sameness is boring as hell… not hot…and death to the creative spirit.
thats true but my point was that we have a debate going on some shyt we basically AGREE about imagine how we do those mccain supporters? especially ones that are not fully abreast on all the issues? on top of that said ninja is going to come and try to snuggle up next to you and get some? I dont think so…
“The church in this day and age is no longer central to the community instead becoming more like mini communities within themselves. . These sovereign mega churches are moving out of the neighborhoods they previously catered to and now seem to advocate upward mobility over social reform. There is nothing wrong with that, but in distancing itself from the communities it has also distanced itself from the problems and issues of said community.”
I see your point, I definitely do. But I sometimes wonder is it solely the church’s fault. Surely, the church is made up of people in the community, and if the people distance themselves (and many of them have) how can the church stay focused on the needs of people who are no longer part of the establishment?
The church is nothing without people, and if the people who need more than this “prosperity” message have gone to handle business elsewhere, how can their voices be heard within the church? How can the church find ways to help? How can the church know what is needed?
I dont think church’s should support particular candidates, but I love when my own pastor speaks to the congregation about the benefits of knowing politics and making educated choices for the betterment of the community and the future. To be honest, the church does help in that many people get their news and info from this institution. With that being the case, if pastors are more responsible with political information, I’m sure we’d have more people registered to vote, especially during this extremely important political season.
“These sovereign mega churches are moving out of the neighborhoods they previously catered to and now seem to advocate upward mobility over social reform. There is nothing wrong with that, but in distancing itself from the communities it has also distanced itself from the problems and issues of said community.”
as I read this it kind of reminded me of the flashy videos that our youngens watch..all flash no substance. I am by no means saying that these churches have no substance but to me this is the crux of the problem. Out of sight out of mind. In these mega churches built away from our most impoverished communities and the people that need us most we forget about the giving back part.
I have to concur with this. I am spiritual but not STUPID. My political choices are not going to d@mn me to H3llfire, so don’t pander to the destiny of my etnernal soul to get your candidate in office.
During the last election, my pastor actually got called out by the YOUTH of the church because they felt that he was telling them who to vote for. I couldn’t have been prouder of them.
Phrases like “Vote with the Spirit, not your pocketbook” and “Righteous Spiritual Warfare” came from the pulpit more than once.
My church is very racially, ethnically and culturally mixed, and most of the time, its one big happy family. BUT, during this time, you could see the political divide manifesting itself in the faces of the congregation. I found it quite telling…
“Shay d, we can hang girl.
I was just thinking of asking you if you had a gmail account. LOL”
this is cute and sh*t.
I dont think its over political for a preacher to tell his congregation to go and vote. However, it is political and very ILLEGAL to tell them which candidate to vote for.
*i have paid u all 2 cents*
“God is our President. Yes, yes he is…but no, no he’s not.
there’s alot of mega churches in the black community who have tons of mobilization power but just leaving it up to God. I think God would be down for some change too, now. And God also endorses a little self-determination and action.”
This thinking irritates my colon, I mean I have faith but God helps those who help themselves. And our Religious and community leaders need to be encouraging people to Yes have faith, but act on that FAITH, that is in the scripture.
**looking through bible for the verse***
“faith but God helps those who help themselves. And our Religious and community leaders need to be encouraging people to Yes have faith, but act on that FAITH, that is in the scripture.”
LOL
its there..I feel it in the name of Jesus.
but reading it sounds rather republican-y.
i will admit it.
i will admit that in my younger, dumber, more heavily intoxicated college days….i didnt vote. i believed the hype about the electoral college (which i still think should be disbanded, honestly) and i didnt vote…i even considered voting for *gasp* nader! i didnt care about politics…i was completely oblivious to the world around me…i truly believed my vote didnt count….im better now though, but i think back to those days and i shudder.
*hangs head in shame weeping uncontrollably*
“i take history VERY seriously. and I think its disrespectful to the people who lost their lives in Selma. Its like going up to them all and spitting on them.”
I also take the present seriously how about the US is one of the FEW country’s where you no longer have to fear for your life, your family’s life, having your house burned to the ground if you voice your opinion on voting.
You are absolutely right about 1965 not being that long ago, but we only need to look to other countries to see how it used to be. Sheet, truth be told, that is why my parents came to this country.
I agree. This is a great country. Even in contrast to present countries, but it certainly didn’t get great without the struggle…the fruit in which we all benefit from.
It’s not so much about being on one accord for me, as it is what seperates Obama/Dems from McCain/Repubs. My views are left of…left, so I can’t imagine dealing with a man who could vote for a party that wants to overturn Roe V. Wade, continue the war on Iraq and hates Black people. I don’t date non-Blacks, and I don’t respect Black republicans. So….no, I couldn’t date someone who wouldn’t vote for Obama. I could deal with someone who begrudgingly chose him as a lesser of two evils (someone who would vote Green party, but prefers not to waste a vote in a critical time). Like, you don’t have to be EXCITED for Obama, but you have to realize at the very least that he is the best candidate in the running.
Seriously, I do not respect republicans. I don’t even think I could bone one. Like, I don’t respect people who buy G-Unit and Dipset CDs, but I might still smash just for fun. A republican could not get it. He’d have to be like, Idris Maxwell Kodjoe-Williams. And even then, I’d kidnap him and hold him hostage on election day. Mwahaha.
“Like, I don’t respect people who buy G-Unit and Dipset CDs, but I might still smash just for fun. A republican could not get it. He’d have to be like, Idris Maxwell Kodjoe-Williams.”
bwahahaha
“He’d have to be like, Idris Maxwell Kodjoe-Williams”
Girl, I laughed for about 5 minutes on this one… I am not sure i could do the ‘bought a G-Unit or Dipset’ fella either, maybe if he burned it though, lol…..
I think I might take the republican before the Dipset/G-Unit guy…lol
I’d just have to be celibate…
I think I might take the republican before the Dipset/G-Unit guy…lol
I could do a ninja that bought the first 50 and young buck CD’s.. but this last joint and lloyd banks or tony yayo? GTFOH…..no dipset, under any circumstances unless you count that guest appearance on chris brown’s joint….
My vote lies with Barack Obama.
And I’d even site him being black as one of the reasons, I’m going to cast my vote in his direction.
I f*cks with Obama’s stance on many issues and dammit, it’s no reason why I would vote for a n*gga who prides himself of being a Prisoner of War. As Jay-Hova said, “Y’all respect the one who got got shot, I respect the shooter”. This statement equals John McCain to me. He’s a victim. Who wants the victim to be their Commander In Chief??
That’s just scratching the surface, but I can’t see someone whom I’d date being a supporter of the opposite. I would really look at her like, “Are You Serious??”
I do think McCain/Palin is going to be the winning ticket and there will never be a Black president for the United States of Amerikkka. Don’t mean to bust your bubble and I PRAY that I’m wrong with this one. But I’m a student of history.
“I do think McCain/Palin is going to be the winning ticket and there will never be a Black president for the United States of Amerikkka.”
I would agree that I think McCain/Palin are gonna be the winning ticket. Sadly. Because I have worked for progressive organizations I have seen how organized the Republicans are. Example: Obama is out fundraising McCain but the mighty RNC is killing the DNC in raising money so McCain still has a sick amount of cash on hand. I also believe the GOP secretly owns several voting booth manufacturing companies. Also, the Dems are not unified. They can’t come together on ish.
HOWEVER, I do think we will see a black president. I have the audacity of hope (I still pray B can overthrow the mighty RNC this election). I don’t think a sista will make it to the white house…Amerikkka really hates us. lol.
Because I have worked for progressive organizations I have seen how organized the Republicans are
You aint lying VEG. I have witnessed this first hand myself.
The republicans are the truth when it comes to this political game. The way they have worked this Palin nomination? moved Bush to the background? and then the republicans move together. We got registered democrats bytching and crying saying they would rather not vote than vote for Obama. WTF?
However I am black in America I know the reality of the world I live in but I refuse to accept it..I have the audacity to hope, believe and demand change. chanting O-bam-a, O-bam-a
“The republicans are the truth when it comes to this political game. The way they have worked this Palin nomination? moved Bush to the background? and then the republicans move together.”
I hate to give those mo fos credit but the GOP are master political organizers.
“I hate to give those mo fos credit but the GOP are master political organizers”
I totally disagree. Obama’s been “Presidential” for over a year now. Hell that was part of what the whole acceptance speech was about..looking, sounding, acting like the President. The power of suggestion…frankly it really doesn’t get any more “organized” and “master”mined than that.
I think sometimes the GOP gets political props from us based SOLEY off perception….
let us not forget that just as Bush was “seperated” from McCain/Palin…so was alot of the black old guard, hell most of the damn Black Congressional Caucus heard about his chocie to run the same way WE ALL DID….on tv.
“I think sometimes the GOP gets political props from us based SOLEY off perception….”
I feel ya but my perception is based on watching it in action. The GOP at both the state and national levels is extremely organized. They, I have found, are able to move much more quickly on getting their folk to speak out for/against a piece of legislation, etc.
That said, B’s ship is TIGHT. But he is also now working with the DNC which is no where near as tight as the RNC.
“I feel ya but my perception is based on watching it in action.”
I think you would be surprised that MANY others have a few first hand pieces of Washington DC legislative info from a TWO party perspective. And I just can’t endorse this message LOL.
Just because a person is able to speak on legislation don’t mean shyt if you can’t craft it in a way that everybody wins or losses less, and you can’t even convince your Dem friends to sign it, even over a cognac and a porterhouse at the Palm.
Repubs are famous for the figure head type shyt. Its old school, lacks transparency and very stodgy. But alot of people believe in what they can’t see.
“Just because a person is able to speak on legislation don’t mean shyt if you can’t craft it in a way that everybody wins or losses less, and you can’t even convince your Dem friends to sign it, even over a cognac and a porterhouse at the Palm.”
Girl I didn’t say they were good politicians. They are good political organizers, meaning they can mobilize their base. Lol. The ish they did in the 04 elections, pinpointing the one issue their base felt very strongly on – gay marriages – and riding that ish into the White House was genius. Wrong but genious. Instead of talking about real issues that affect people in their day to day lives, they play on people’s fears. Again, wrong. But it fires up their base. A motivated base votes.
Now, yeah…they don’t do ish when they are in office. I am with you on that. Unless a bill comes up about gay marriages or funds for the Black AIDS crisis. At which point, they motivate that base again…
the republicans managed to take a candidate that THEY Weren’t even a huge fan of and make him a front runner. Mc Cain wasn’t even a top 3 contender for the nomination a year ago! The fact that they got the party in line and behind him that quickly shows that the machine moving behind them is fierce. He-ll like you said we knew a long time ago that Barack was a contender and the party has still not organized behind him. Our votes are the ones that are swinging not the repugs. You should never underestimate your opponent and I think a lot of people (I include myself) thought the hardest part of this election for Obama was wining the democratic nomination and we were and are wrong. Obama is not running against McCain he is running against the RNC and we cant afford to overlook that. It aint called the Grand old party for no reason.
“Obama is not running against McCain he is running against the RNC ”
Exactly. BIG difference.
“knew a long time ago that Barack was a contender and the party has still not organized behind him.”
The fact that Hillary had to get on stage at the Convention and darn near beg Hilsters to get behind Obama is a sad commentary on the state of the DNC.
The fact that Hillary had to get on stage at the Convention and darn near beg Hilsters to get behind Obama is a sad commentary on the state of the DNC
the fact that after her speech half of her supporters (senators and delegates, not just voters) did not even stay to hear Obama speak is even worse. Republicans push the party message a vote for McCain is a vote for the party. The DNC has not quite mastered that platform yet.
““knew a long time ago that Barack was a contender and the party has still not organized behind him.”
The fact that Hillary had to get on stage at the Convention and darn near beg Hilsters to get behind Obama is a sad commentary on the state of the DNC.”
I think this has less to do with party affiliation and more to do with the fact that Obama is a Black man with a “funny sounding” name. I mean, come on. Do you really believe that if Obama was a white man, people would be so hesitant to support him? It’s not because they are Democrats. The same issue would arise if Obama was the Republican nominee. People aren’t ready for a Black president, and white women are salty as hell right now that their dream got snatched right under therr feet…by a BLACK MAN.
“and white women are salty as hell right now that their dream got snatched right under therr feet…”
Yep…this constant struggle has been going on since affirmative action.
The fact that Hillary had to get on stage at the Convention and darn near beg Hilsters to get behind Obama is a sad commentary on the state of the DNC.
its just sad period. there was such a strong divide amongst hillary-obama that i silently started to hate hillary supporters. i never really had an opinion on hillary clinton until this election process started and now i think she’s an evil bitch. and thats probably most of her supporters fault. same with bill clinton.
f*ck bill clinton. i was never on the bandwagon so much to begin with, i think he gets more credit in the Black community than he deserves anyway, but now…i’m just waiting for the Jim Jones/Bill Clinton double album called, “Hatin’ on 125th Street”
*** ducking tomatos***
I voted for Obama in the primary…but early on I was torn. Im not gonna lie. I was on that Cathy Hughes/Bob Johnson tip. but I see the light nah.
“f*ck bill clinton. i was never on the bandwagon so much to begin with, i think he gets more credit in the Black community than he deserves anyway, but now…i’m just waiting for the Jim Jones/Bill Clinton double album called, “Hatin’ on 125th Street”
**missionary work**
the repubs did gain a lot of support for the anti-gay-marriage thing. but i don’t think that was the main reason. notice how you haven’t seen that d*mn red-orange-yellow terror alert since ’04. that was the real bush platform! i think they took it down the day after election day that year. lol
Lol. I totally forgot about the orange/red alert ish. HA! Yeah that was a big one for ‘em too. They, again, played on people’s fears and ignorance.
“You aint lying VEG. I have witnessed this first hand myself. The republicans are the truth when it comes to this political game. ”
for example…
http://anythingblack.net/discouraging-the-black-vote
“I do think McCain/Palin is going to be the winning ticket and there will never be a Black president for the United States of Amerikkka. ”
my worst nightmare. but this reminds me of a convo i had recently with one of my brother’s best friends who said “white folks would rather go down with the ship and drown (knowingly) with their own as opposed to rising up with the help of ANY Black man in particular.”
p.s. i completely agree on the POW tip.
For a different generation the POW story has meaning. That light though, has dimmed considerably.
“I do think McCain/Palin is going to be the winning ticket and there will never be a Black president for the United States of Amerikkka.”
i understand why people might feel this way, but it IS gonna happen eventually…why not now?
Si Se Puede
“I do think McCain/Palin is going to be the winning ticket and there will never be a Black president for the United States of Amerikkka. ”
theres power in the tongue….and speaking for all of US eternity …wow…
Generation Y obviously doesn’t give a fyuck about race-Obama owes most of his success to them. Those people will and do have kids you know.
Oh yeah, I’d never entertain someone who was an advocate of McCain/Palin in the dating arena. Me *add* her *equals* not much in common.
McCain is scary looking, disgustingly scary looking. I know he was a POW and all, but those damn arms just freak me out. *shivers at the image*
Now on a more intellectual note, he’s an idiot…and not just like plain dumb, but willing to shift his positions 6 times in 6 months dumb. Being a future politician I absolutely ABHOR the pandering that takes place today.
We’re not all a bunch of bumbling idiots, we know when you’re bullsh*ting us. If for no other reason than Barack not pandering to us ALL the time I would vote for him. He is a bit liberal though, but he gives me hope for a better future for my kid and and also inspired me to follow my dream in politics.
I could date a guy who didn’t 100% agree with Barack, being in Florida I myself have reservations about his immigration platform. But I could NEVER, I repeat NEVER date anyone who would actually vote for McCain/Palin.
**sidenote** I was chosen to participate in a 10 day seminar where i will get to witness the change of administrations and our future president’s swearing in in Jan 09…..GO ME!!!
**sidenote** I was chosen to participate in a 10 day seminar where i will get to witness the change of administrations and our future president’s swearing in in Jan 09…..GO ME!!!
congrats and sh*t
thanks! i’m kinda excited and sh*t.
“McCain is scary looking, disgustingly scary looking.”
lol McCain looks like Guss the groundhog. That was an inside joke for all my fellow Pennsylvanians
I AM MAD at GUS THE GROUNDHOG… the 2nd most famous groundhog in PA…
but you’re right, he kinda does.
wow. like seriously…he really does. i’m mad i never noticed that
as am i…and now im disturbed by the fact that its true
can we get a picture… I only ever heard of punxsutawney phil
here you go!
http://www.character-shop.com/gus.html
LOL~I did a side by side comparison. They do resemble each other
I always thought McCain looke like a T-Rex cuz his arms seem waaay too short for his body.
And his hair looks like his mama slicked it down w/some Dixie Peach so he could go take some Easter pics down @ Sears.
If anyone is still undecided or considering anything other than Obama they are a dumba$$ and I do what is possible to remove such ignorace from my radius. I called someone a dumba$$ on teh metro this morning for saying they prefer McCain cause he will keep us safe from Cobra Commander or whoever people think are coming after us that we need to bomb indiscriminitety.
“I called someone a dumba$$ on teh metro this morning for saying they prefer McCain cause he will keep us safe from Cobra Commander or whoever people think are coming after us that we need to bomb indiscriminitety.”
LOL
I dont think McCain would be as bad a president as everyone feels. This DOES NOT mean that I am voting for him. I’m just saying that almost anything/one is better than Bush. With that being said, I am not voting for Barak; I’m voting for Michelle. I think she is the shit.
Now to the question at hand, could I date someone who was voting for McCain? Yes, but they would really have to prove their intelligence to me. Not only would they have to calmly and articulately tell me why they are, but they would also have to prove that they’re still not a complete moron. And they must have all of the features that were listed in yesterday’s entry (lol).
it can get worse. there is always something worse.
hmmm. you know whats funny? the fact that you see many centrists and lefties doing the EXACT same stuff (extreme close-mindedness, being holier than thou with no respect for ideas other than their own, and condescension for all opposing viewpoints) that we deride in conservatives. i’m staunchly pro-obama, but its really surprised me how nazi-esque many of us have become.
as far dating someone with opposing political views? sh****t, as long as they weren’t extremists (on either end), it wouldn’t matter. amy holmes would definitely get the cheese steak too
Oh Champ – don’t you know that Amy is secretly a liberal democrat? She just wants to be on TV. Cute as a button, though. Aaaand to show I’m not knocking your hustle, I’ll suggest Michelle Bernard for your “Hottie Pundit” list as well.
I’ll suggest Michelle Bernard for your “Hottie Pundit” list as well.
**googling her as i type**
I saw her on TV last night could not concentrate on what she was saying because I was so distracted trying to figure out her ethnicity.
“but its really surprised me how nazi-esque many of us have become. ”
I think its frankly more about, for the first time in modern history, most people now feel like they have something to believe in. Somebody who looks like them (be it Palin, McCain or Obama).
And when a lot is at stake (real or perceived) people get emotional and affected…maybe thats not such a bad thing. As tight as the race seems to be everyone involved is going to have to learn how to play nice.
“hmmm. you know whats funny? the fact that you see many centrists and lefties doing the EXACT same stuff (extreme close-mindedness, being holier than thou with no respect for ideas other than their own, and condescension for all opposing viewpoints) that we deride in conservatives. i’m staunchly pro-obama, but its really surprised me how nazi-esque many of us have become. ”
Good observation and oh so true.
” i’m staunchly pro-obama, but its really surprised me how nazi-esque many of us have become.”
Sometimes I just want to kick a blinded liberal in the a$$. lol.
I don’t believe that there is such a thing as an undecided voter at this junction. There are just white people who don’t want to admit that they’re voting for McCain.
My SO is in the military, and he knows that a McCain presidency means another (this will be the 4th) deployment in less than 7 years. He’s voting for Obama.
My history as a clinic escort and pro-choice rabble rouser means that I cannot possibly support Mr. Little Choice McCain and Mrs. No Choice at All Not Ever Even if Your Uncle Rapes You – P.S. Buy Your Own Damn Rape Kit Palin. Not to mention this silly little thing called the economy. I like having money in my pocket, and Republicans do not agree.
This is a historically crucial time, y’all. Let’s make it count.
“I like having money in my pocket”
you know what? me too. i like candy in my pocket too. and, in 8th grade, i liked brandy johnson’s hands in my pocket as well
“in 8th grade, i liked brandy johnson’s hands in my pocket as well”
I see not much has changed since 8th grade
This is an easy one. I come from an extremely political family, and I cant imagine bringing some non-voting apolitical home to meet them.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, if I met a great guy and later found out that he had a totally opposite point of view than I do on key issues, I’d have to end it also.
As exciting as a good political debate can be, I wouldnt want to sleep next to that person every night. I might be tempted to use my bootstrap to strangle them.
“I come from an extremely political family, and I cant imagine bringing some non-voting apolitical home to meet them.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, if I met a great guy and later found out that he had a totally opposite point of view than I do on key issues, I’d have to end it also.”
are you Maria Shriver? LOL
I joke
No. But my family is extremely involved in politics on the local level. My mom, grandma, and great grandma have been in politics for well, generations. From a young age I was taught that political apathy was just not acceptable.
Every family gathering has at least one political argument, and usually my grandma is the loudest!
Anybody who isn’t somewhat on the same wavelength would be argued down until they cried (I speak from experience, sadly).
Any men involved in anything from your fam?
“Any men involved in anything from your fam?”
LOL. this made me choke on my oreo frosty
I failed to see the humor in it. Didnt know it was supposed to be a joke.
My brother. Poly-sci major, community activist, future lawyer. My Uncles and grandad, not so much. But they’re still active voters and volunteer on political campaigns, etc. argue you down. Lots of fun.
The only black republicans I’ve ever came across was on TV, so this doesn’t really apply to me.
I will say that watching by Michelle Obama’s fine @ss on Good Morning America this morning gave me a stiffy. I might have to make wifey wear her business suit to bed tonight
hahahahahahaha
“The only black republicans I’ve ever came across was on TV”
I know some black republicans and they all live in the south. My best friend’s family is from VA and they’re republicans. I have known them for a long time and I get along with them great because we respect each other’s opinions. They’re also moderate in their views. As long as people respect each other, then that’s what matters to me. I don’t get along with extremists, but I’m always ready for a healthy debate.
“The only black republicans I’ve ever came across was on TV, so this doesn’t really apply to me.”
There TONS in DC. Ive voted republican once or twice. And once upon a time and a place called reconstruction, we all were.
“And once upon a time and a place called reconstruction, we all were”
speak for yaself I wasn’t here till 1978
***looks into my crystal ball***
Dev you’re givin me a Frederick Douglass past life, b 1818.
if thats the case Fred Doug has done some bad things
“And once upon a time and a place called reconstruction, we all were.”
actually, if you look, all of the most significant and virulent racists in american history were democrats. all of them
and when the time came (after the Civil Rights Bill) they all switched to the GOP
I have an uncle that votes republican.
He lives out in the woods of Upper Marlboro alone w/a half-blind Dalmatian named “Daisy” w/10 cars in his yard and is always fixing stuff. We don’t see him much.
imma bout to pee on myself….mostly because its not far from me.
1. She gotta vote. Not voting is a deal breaker for me.
2. She don’t have to vote my candidate BUT we must be able to have intelligent, thoughtful “intercourse” on the issues and reasons, etc., without anger or vitriol
3. Must be respectful of my choices.
4. Must be willing to talk about it, and not just say “Because” (because she is a woman, because he is a vet, etc)
But I am not worried because I seriously doubt anyone would be attracted to me from the Repub. camp anyway.
“But I am not worried because I seriously doubt anyone would be attracted to me from the Repub. camp anyway.”
you’d be surprised. well, at least, i was surprised. conservative chicks like chili dogs too
Well, for sure if it happens I will let you know!
“The only excuses anyone has for voting for McCain-Palin is that they’re:
1) blood relatives,
2) are avowed racists, whether openly or secretly,
3) the only thing care about getting Roe vs. Wade reversed, or
4) they’re hopelessly out of touch with the economy and never ever read or watch the news.”
You forgot number 5, which is McCain making the promise of legalizing weed!!!
Hell if he said that, I might become a McCain supporter.
Mccain will have to do more than legalize weed to get a vote from me. the illegalities dont stop me from smoking but a bad economy would.
“Mccain will have to do more than legalize weed to get a vote from me. the illegalities dont stop me from smoking but a bad economy would.”
*taps hymnal w/the tambourine*
I have turned into the Incredible Hulk on more than one occasion since this election has begun. I’m one of those Obama stans who can stand when I read black bloggers go for Obama’s jugular. Sometimes I think dissenting black bloggers just wanna build names and careers for themselves. It’s one thing to have your own opinion; but another thing to unfoundedly lambast Barack. Cause the truth is that most people have nothing on him. It just makes me pissy like nothing else could. The man is perfection in my eyes and hell to the no could I deal or be friends with someone who thought any different. Sometimes people’s jealousy and resentment of Barack are so obvious and it hurts like hell when it comes from our own people.
“The man is perfection in my eyes and hell to the no could I deal or be friends with someone who thought any different.”
so anyone who’s critical of obama at all, even if its justified, gets cut off?
Champ.
You can criticize Obama. But to say you’re picking McInsane over him is just pure f*ckery. I just think that sometimes people want Obama to blow sunshine out of his ass to make them happy. Obama is representation. Not perfection. When it comes to your own life its all about manifest destiny. I’m gonna get mines not matter who’s president. I think its just a bandwagon that a lot of black folks have jumped on…you know…this “I care about his platform” junk…whatevs..
Anyone who votes for Palin (Cause that’s who McInsane chose) is telling me that my womb doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to the government. I’m not feeling any chick who’s trying to set woman back 200 years.
since when do people decide the presidency based on the Vice? its the man in the top spot that matters. McCain will not die anytime soon. His mother still lives and is quite spry.
“McCain will not die anytime soon. His mother still lives and is quite spry.”
That is one old broad!! She’s like the female version of Montgomery Burns
I don’t know. Kennedy was a young, seemingly healthy man when “somebody” killed him. Anything could happen. What if McCain simply became incapacitated? He is really old and that stuff happens to really old people. That Palin woman just makes me extremely uncomfortable.
And by “extremely uncomfortable”, I mean “makes me wish she is knocked down and anally raped by an Angry Alaskan moose, set on revenge in the memory of his slain brethren”.
That has to be the funniest thing I have ever heard in my 29 years on this planet we call Earth.
And by “extremely uncomfortable”, I mean “makes me wish she is knocked down and anally raped by an Angry Alaskan moose, set on revenge in the memory of his slain brethren”.
This made me laugh in the same uncomfortable way as coming across an extremely funny “Ni%%a joke” on the internet…which means.. hard as he.ll LMAO
and plus, she’ll have to keep the baby….and pay for her own rape kit.
If she keeps the baby, then we’ll have to hear about her soldier son, her pregnant daughter and the subsequent grandchild, her Down’s Syndrome toddler AND her half-moose baby! And you know everybody will be cooing over that freak of nature, talkin’ about “It was God’s will…how precious! Look @ his little antlers!” Geesh! I’m tired of her tribe of anti-choice icons already.
Hopefully the moose will have watched enough episodes of “CSI” and “Crossing Jordan” to know to use a condom.
That is soooo bad. I’m imagining the baby and it is NOT a pretty picture!
It depends on how you answer the following questions:
1- How much does this person’s political affiliation adequately reflect who they are?
2- Are they voting based on where they fall on the issues morally or of the historic’s of the election?
For instance someone like me: I am registered as NPA because I tend to swing between both parties. I usually side with the republicans on a majority of the issues, so I consider myself a republican. For a long time I just automatically assumed that I would vote for Obama, but when I considered his stance on several of the major issues, politically I can not stand behind him100% (or McCain for that matter.) So even though Obama will get my vote, it won’t be based on his projected policy. It will be because I can not stand to see a black man who has a very real chance of winning the election run and not aid him in securing his spot in history.
After I typed all that I forgot my original point. I shall be back to explain once I bill some hours and my brain is working again.
“Obama, but when I considered his stance on several of the major issues”
Can you please expound on this point? I am very interested in knowing.
Basically when I say major issues- I am speaking of those issues from a spiritual perspective. So those issues would be abortion, gay marriage, etc. . . OOOooo and Health care & taxes.
to me those spiritual issues aren’t even urgent issues. They are just tools politicians use to get people to vote for them. Neither side really intends (they shouldnt) to do anything about them cause if they did how would they motivate people to side with them? So called spiritual issues should remain personal issues. The Govt should not have any hand in or stand in the way of any of that.
you do realize that the whole ‘gay marriage’ issue was pandering to evangelicals who ran out in droves to vote republican— while the republicans knew D@AMN well it is a STATE issue not FEDERAL and thus they had no intention (or right, for that matter) to legislate on it… right?
And I agree w/Deviant (LOVE the moniker)… spritual issues and political issues are not the same species and should never be in bed together… its like beastiality… just SICK and WRONG… not the fun kind of sick and wrong either…
well that is your opinion. . . but it also goes back to question Number 1- How much does this person’s political affiliation adequately reflect who they are?
Some people view politics with the same disdain they view Walmart and R. Kelly. Some people view politics as something that is vital to each humans existence. It is all about that person’s views of politics and where they fall in their life and belief system.
Plus, the Dems did the same thing with Abortion that the GOP did with Gay Marriage. Whether people agree with Evangelicals (Christian) folks or not they are a body of people whose political ideals falls in line with their morals. Dems. . . not as successful in doing so.
Although gay marriage may seem like a state issue, utlitmately it will end up in the SCOTUS to determine if it is indeed a state issue. Something about one of those clauses in the Constitution that requires others states to honor their laws. I think it is the Full Faith and Credit Clause not sure didn’t pay much attention in Con. Law.
I understand where you are coming from and truth be told, there are some issues on which I could be considered conservative… oookay, centrist. But they are also issues that I truly feel the government has NO right to legislate on. Period. Don’t tell me what to do with MY body, don’t tell me WHO I can love and HOW to love them….doesn’t that kind of government sound a bit “1984/George Orwell-ish” to you?
My major issue with Republicans pandering to Christians is this…my interpretation of the life of Christ was that He cared not what was going on the political world so much as He cared for the people who were subject to the political system.
when the pharisees tried to catch Him on the issue of taxation of the subjugated Jews by the Roman Empire, they were trying to politicize him then, just as (both parties, but particularly Republicans) are doing now. He wanted no parts of it and in 2 sentences, dismissed them. In fact, whenever anyone tried to politicize Him, even in death, STILL, He dismissed them, because the mission was greater.
That being said, if I had the right to vote in this election (not a citizen), I would probably be an independent, but totally support Barak.
“…my interpretation of the life of Christ was that He cared not what was going on the political world so much as He cared for the people who were subject to the political system.”
***liturgical dance***
“My major issue with Republicans pandering to Christians is this…my interpretation of the life of Christ was that He cared not what was going on the political world so much as He cared for the people who were subject to the political system.”
or simply: Pontius Pilate was a governor, Jesus was a community organizer. you be the judge.
But they are also issues that I truly feel the government has NO right to legislate on. Period. Don’t tell me what to do with MY body, don’t tell me WHO I can love and HOW to love them….doesn’t that kind of government sound a bit “1984/George Orwell-ish” to you?
Don’t know who George Orwell is but just like you feel that he legislature shouldn’t legislate on these issues, you must recognize and accept the fact that other people feel that they should. As a race of people (the human race that is) what you do affects those around you. Even if you think it does not.
Based on your interpretation of Christ’s life, do you think Christ would be okay with Abortion? At what point during the gestation process would your right interfere with those of the person or potential person inside you. Doesn’t Christ have the same love for you as for the child inside someone?
And quite honestly I really don’t care about what the government legislates on cause, Imma do me regardless of the rules! I always have and always will. Half the laws that are enacted but the legislature are not even enforced. As a matter of fact, that is one of the reasons why I became an attorney to have a role in the legal process, so one day I can become a judge and interpret the foolishness that the legislature legislates.
sidenote-
I find it very interesting that people are following after Obama like he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. I want people to realize that Jesus and Obama are two very different people ,who serve two very different purposes.
BTW, you might want to consider the option of becoming a citizen. I did it in the 4th grade just cause I wanted to be able to vote when I got older.
Gasp! *untwisting her knickers*
You haven’t read 1984? Look it up. The author is George Orwell. Negative utopia, ultimate governmental paternity, altering/erasing history/ ultimate denial of infallible and provable truths… Its a frightening book because, though it is extreme, it resembles our life today (particularly technology) and it was written in 1949. That and Fahrenheit 451 are the two books that I am grateful my HS teacher made me read. I make the students in my mentorship group read it every year.
And as far as abortion goes… like I said, there are issues that I could be considered a conservative on. Matter of fact, my line of work (women’s healthcare) somewhat buffets against some of my feelings on the issue. But here’s something to twist your knickers. I had to help a very good friend who had been violently raped and became pregnant on what to do… and she is a Christian.
As far as Citizenship… don’t get me started. I’ma get on my philosphical/moral high horse and TRUST, no one (including me) wants me to go there.
you do realize that the whole ‘gay marriage’ issue was pandering to evangelicals who ran out in droves to vote republican— while the republicans knew D@AMN well it is a STATE issue not FEDERAL and thus they had no intention (or right, for that matter) to legislate on it… right?
you would be suprised how many people didnt and still dont know that….
can someone say.. seperation of church and state? Let the church say AMEN……
the church and state hasnt been separate for a loooong time now….God’s on the money!
….God’s on the money!
only in the lettering…….
but still…its hard to feign a separation of church and state when the word God is on all the money
the only way you should be voting mccain-palin is:
-you make $250k a year or more
-you want to overturn roe v. wade (even though that will never happen)
-you believe john mccain will have the lifespan of mr. burns
“-you believe john mccain will have the lifespan of mr. burns”
lol
are peopel forgetting his mama is like 900, sprightly and drives a little red bmw. Him dying while in office is the least of my concern if he would win.
“are peopel forgetting his mama is like 900, sprightly and drives a little red bmw. Him dying while in office is the least of my concern if he would win.”
i know right? i was watching the repub convention, and someone referred to mccain’s mother in the audience. i was like, “his mother????????!!!!!!!!!!” i need some of that congress healthcare. either that or she on that noni juice.
she did an age spread in Vogue last month (or month b4??) and I was floored….And she’s opinionated as hel@l. That might be the fountain of youth right there. Opinions…if thats the case..we’ll all live to be 100….my @zz tho might be eternal… LOL
LMAO @ “she on that noni juice”!!!
or the jack la lane juicer. He and his wife are like 1100…
-you believe john mccain will have the lifespan of mr. burns
lolololol
I have no problem with rich people voting for McCain (i still think they are jacka$$es but I understand), I have problems with people that make less than me saying McCain will benefit them. I still rememebr this piece about this hick in Western VA saying she would vote for anyone who didnt mess with her gun rights. She thinks palin is on her side cause she is a mountain hick too. She is obviously unaware fo the Bill of Rights. Unless she has automatic weapons (she probably does) no one can mess with her gun rights. It was proven not to long ago with the Supreme Court overturning DC’s gun ban.
im right there with you…i truly have to question folks who are in foreclosure and selling off all their assets cuz they lost their job and the stock market is crumbling, voting for john “i cant remember how many houses i have” mccain
Who you vote for is not nearly as important as why you’re choosing to vote for them.
I haven’t heard a single intelligent argument from anyone about why they’re voting for McCain. Maybe because I don’t know anyone voting for McCain?
Relationships, for the most part, are based on common interests and shared ideals. In this election the ideologies are just too different for anyone who might for McCain to have a chance at the awesomeness that is Deviant.
“Who you vote for is not nearly as important as why you’re choosing to vote for them.”
i won’t say its not nearly as important, but i do agree that it definitely matters
“Relationships, for the most part, are based on common interests and shared ideals.”
And I can’t imagine having anything worthwhile in common with a Republican.
I think it makes sense. Since the actions of politicians effect our lives so much via schools, taxes, GAS!!! People should try to understand anothers political views prior to getting on a serious level.
-J.M.
MrSwagger.com
“People should try to understand anothers political views prior to getting on a serious level.”
if you ask the right questions, this usually comes out during that process.
i’m not big into politics at all. which is ironic if you consider my current employment. however, i’m not sure i could date somebody who was bashing obama and clearly pro mccain/palin. if you want to vote for mccain, whoopty do. that’s fine. but if you make it a point to tell me how terrible the country would be for electing obama…who i plan to vote for…and that i really need to do more research, etc….well, i just may have to cut you.
there’s this blog i used to frequent that i had to stop going to b/c the blogger was so staunchly anti-obama (and so extremely pro-hillary) that she turned me completely off. i dont mind moderate opinions that are open to discussion…i like my women with opinions, but if you’re so extremely one way that you think anything to the contrary is the equivalent of coming in the house and not wiping your feet on the rug…
…well i couldn’t date you and i’d rather never speak to you either.
basically, zealots bother me.
zealots suck. seriously.
but the song by the Fugees was hot…
“but the song by the Fugees was hot…”
i think thats probably the most underrated classic album of all-time.
h3ll yes….
i knew there was a reason i liked you… that and i too, can be a bit of an a$$hole. i mean that in the best possible way, of course.
im feelin you, champ. i STILL buss that out and rock it…
“basically, zealots bother me.”
– That sums up my stance for people’s political/ideological views. Other than that I can pretty much find common ground w/ anyone.
I could not, would not have a romantic relationship with some one of the Republican persuasion for the same reason that I could not, would not have a romantic relationship with an atheist (not someone who doesn’t believe in Jesus, just someone who doesn’t believe in anything)
I could not affiliate with either group of those folks because I believe that they are seriously lacking a piece of their soul. My and their fundamental value systems are so different that we could not agree on any major topic–topics that govern how one lives on a daily basis.
And I would be waiting for the lighting to strike them down (or the unicorns to trample them to death) for being so short sighted about life.
awwwww, the unicorns… *single tear*
I put that in there just for you, Alise.
you had me at “lacking soul”. damn
“you had me at “lacking soul”. damn”
Well, it’s true. They are missing something fundamentally good/spiritual/human. And it would definitely be a problem. And quickly.
“I could not affiliate with either group of those folks because I believe that they are seriously lacking a piece of their soul.”
republicans=atheists?? I don’t think I’ve ever heard that comparison before.
“republicans=atheists?? I don’t think I’ve ever heard that comparison before.”
I wasn’t comparing them, they are two different groups that I will not associate with on a romantic level?
republicans & atheists= people that I will not have in my life/bed.
AO is pissed right now. [back back]
Man, when are peoples [yep, peoples] going to pay attention and relaize that this nominaton did EXACTLY what it was supposed to do. It removed the focus away from the issues. Where do these two basic 2520′s stand on the issues for, common-non-twelve-home-owning-muphukahs?
How are you going to bring jobs back in this piece? I work with a few 2520′s, who just this morning, thought it cool to down play the election as this sh*t doesn’t matter. And, in the same breath, had the nerve to say that George Bush was a great president in the beginning of his administration [aye-yo, say whaaattt?]
THAT is a problem. These cats are living in a dream world if they think things are great. Sh*t. Holla if yah hear me.
holla!
holla, and sh*t
@AO~ the other day in my class my students were complaining that their information is listed publicly and can be accessed through the internet… my response to them was thank your current president and the Patriot Act which is a total shame. It took so many years for us to earn the civil rights and in one fell swoop of a pen the Patriot Act belittled all of it. It’s a Dayum shame
@IH, wordlife, when i speak to these young so called “enlightened” kids they think it’s okay, because they have nothing to hide, but in the fine print of the document, there is uncontrollable power unchecked, that has been allowed to become, quasi-law. some scarey sh*t!!!
I hear ya! They were extremely upset when I told them that the FBI or any other government agency could role up in here and request all of their records including but not limited to what they view on line using various computers, library information, academic records (classes taken), what they download, etc and the U would not even have to inform them it was done. They were amazed. I was like, where have you all been? In The Champ’s Cave?
As far as dating prospects go, they need to be able to clearly articulate WHY they are voting for a particular candidate. I’m open to hearing arguments from all sides (dem, repub, green, libertarian, etc.). It doesn’t impress me if you’re an Obama-stan if you can’t hold an intelligent conversation about his policies and why you feel he would be the better candidate. And it doesn’t turn me off if you’re a McCain-ite if you can bring an intelligent argument for him to the table.
It is a HUGE a turn-off to talk to someone who only votes in presidential elections. If you aren’t at least slightly familiar with local politics, you won’t get the time of day from me. Politics matter more than once every 4 years.
“It is a HUGE a turn-off to talk to someone who only votes in presidential elections. If you aren’t at least slightly familiar with local politics, you won’t get the time of day from me. Politics matter more than once every 4 years.”
I concur. I would even go so far as to say that local politics matter more.
Grassroots=local. The federal system is too big to really get anything worthwhile done.
****Somewhat related Tangent****
well not related other than its about Palin… It made me laugh
What people have said about her, and by people I mean comedians
Are you kidding me, the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska? Yeah, that’s who you want in the White House during a time of crisis. When she got a phone call at 3 in the morning, it was because a moose had gotten in the garbage can.” –Bill Maher
“I think this is pertinent because McCain has been running this
campaign based on ‘we’re at war, it’s a dangerous world out there. The democrats don’t get that. I, John McCain, am the only one standing between the blood-thirsty Al Qaedas and you. But if I die, this stewardess can handle it.’” –Bill Maher
“Five kids? Does anyone in that party understand the concept of pulling out?” –Bill Maher
“When they were vetting her for this job, like three seconds ago, she said, quote, I’m not making this up, ‘What is it exactly that the VP does every day?’ Let me field that for you, Sarah. They start wars, they enrich their friends, they subvert the Constitution, and they shoot people in the face. That’s what the vice president does.” –Bill Maher
“Today President Bush called Gov. Palin and congratulated her. Bush told Palin the job of vice president is very important because as vice president, you get to tell the president what to do.” –Jay Leno
“John McCain’s VP pick is the governor of Alaska, a unknown hockey mom named Sarah Palin that no one ever heard of. The only other job she had in politics was the mayor of a small town known as Wasilla, Alaska, and now she has the opportunity to be on a ticket opposite of Barack Obama, the first black man she’s ever seen.” –Bill Maher
“There was some breaking news out of Dayton, Ohio today, where Republican presidential candidate John McCain introduced the world to his third wife.” –Jon Stewart
“She’s not bad looking. She looks like one of those women in the Van Halen videos who takes off her glasses, shakes out her hair, and then all of a sudden, she’s in high heels and a bikini. All of a sudden, I am FOR drilling in Alaska.” –Jimmy Kimmel
“Not only is she young, they’re saying she’s the prettiest candidate for Vice President since John Edwards.” –Jimmy Kimmel
“Alaska Gov. Sarah Pallin is John McCain’s choice. Here’s what we know about her: her name is Sarah Palin.” –Jay Leno
“Actually, it was kind of a smart choice. McCain went with a woman because he didn’t want to have to be in a position to have to get CPR from Mitt Romney.” –Jay Leno
“Palin and McCain are a good pair. She’s pro-life and he’s clinging to life.” –Jay Leno
“The McCain people believe that Americans will disregard her
inexperience because they will fall in love with her story. She was a runner up in the 1984 Miss Alaska Pageant., which may sound trite, but you try walking in high-heeled snow shoes.” –Bill Maher
This:
“Five kids? Does anyone in that party understand the concept of pulling out?” –Bill Maher
and this:
“Actually, it was kind of a smart choice. McCain went with a woman because he didn’t want to have to be in a position to have to get CPR from Mitt Romney.” –Jay Leno
now have my keyboard drenched in water. thank you, IH.
sadly i have little to contribute to this topic (student immigrant – nah, f*ck this immigrant sh*t, as from now on i am an EXPATRIATE motherfuggers – who has no prospects of voting on the horizon) but either which ways, my fellow african (american) obama is the only way to go.
more generally i agree with the sentiment that even if your politics don’t match up with mine (one of my best friends is a south american neo-conservative), as long as you respect my viewpoints, we’re cool.
“Five kids? Does anyone in that party understand the concept of pulling out?” –Bill Maher
This is the best line ever.
“Five kids? Does anyone in that party understand the concept of pulling out?” –Bill Maher
**flatlining**
someone e mailed this to me over the weekend… Bristol Palin’s baby daddy might be Black…… Lawd have MERCY.
http://www.blackbottom.com/watch.php?v=WdBJd9b9i8A&feature=active_sharin
They better hope that baby don’t come out caramel colored….
OK… I LOVED THIS!
LOL, nice drop.
“John McCain’s VP pick is the governor of Alaska, a unknown hockey mom named Sarah Palin that no one ever heard of. The only other job she had in politics was the mayor of a small town known as Wasilla, Alaska, and now she has the opportunity to be on a ticket opposite of Barack Obama, the first black man she’s ever seen.” –Bill Maher
I do so love that man. I truly do.
well on one hand i’m all about differing views, IDEALLY. obviously you need to have a basic agreement on fundamentals, then yall can differ on amenities lol. but for me, in THIS case, nobody can tell me im not being objective and making a decision on facts for voting obama. when you’re muslim, black, and female, the mccain/palin tickets screams: what little civil liberties you have left are mine bi*otch.
i personally have voted every local and national election since i was of age. i cant say i dont understad people who dont though, there are reasons that people feel disenfranchized and i cant honestly look in their eyes and believe it when i say “your vote counts”. 2004 anyone? 2000 for that matter…
that said, gobama.
“somewhat intelligent people of vsb.com.”
that how you feel champ? lol
lol. good question
lol you are wrong for that champ.
“was able to compartmentalize before, but I’m so aggressively pro-Obama now that I can’t see myself even considering the idea of dating someone who wasn’t”
1) This had to be a female (see myself with, FOH with that nonsense)
2) She wouldn’t date a white dude anyway ->
3) No black person would vote Republican in the first place. (the 10% of you sell outs that do, you deserve this oncoming Depression)
The real question for the Chosen, is could you deal with someone with a different level of Obamma-ness?
Obama has replaced Jesus as the Messiah, and Michelle has dethroned Oprah as THE black woman that is beyond all reproach.
All though we’re all voting democrat, there are those who see Obama’s serious flaws, and those of us who excuse them.
All though we’re all voting democrat, there are those who see Obama’s serious flaws, and those of us who excuse them.
expound, please (expatriate willing and eager to learn – after all, that’s what i came here to do, alongside not being employed on wall street making six figures as a starting salary… i need to get back on the boat home).
1) This had to be a female (see myself with, FOH with that nonsense)
it is.
ARRRGH! Happy Talk like a pirate day.
Hush.
lol…. u stupid
u are so stupit!!!
someone just said this to me so I hit em with teh 2008 pirate
“gimmie your wallet..take off your shoes and jacket.” “gimme that watch and buy me a soda andd give me the change.”
I didn’t read the comments so forgive any repeats.
If I met a guy and he was voting for McCain, I’d assume he’s an uninformed idiot which is a no go. Dude, McCain said our economy is strong on the day that the Dow dropped 500 pts. w/ banks folding left and right. Are you kidding me??? Unless of course he’s wealthy – which means voting for someone like McCain would be favorable to his interests. I DOUBT I’d have a ton in common w/ a guy like that but wouldn’t automatically rule him out either.
and not just any banks, one that had made it through 2 world wars and a financial company that was once the leader of the financial world.
**SMH**
he is clueless
Unless of course he’s wealthy – which means voting for someone like McCain would be favorable to his interests. I DOUBT I’d have a ton in common w/ a guy like that but wouldn’t automatically rule him out either.
i respect that, i wouldn’t rule him out either (if he can pay my tuition and for those louboutins i’ve been scoping and whatnot…).
*gettin all Debosian*
“whatchu got on my student loans, son!??!”
Politics is not important as long as you’re voting for obama. I really don’t care about much else political past that.
When Hilary and Barack where still racing, some of the “other” skin toned girls in the office were voicing their concerns about Barack and ‘his level of experience” I have not looked at them the same since.
“Politics is not important as long as you’re voting for obama”
lol…this made me laugh for like 6 seconds straight
And that made me laugh. My goofy behind wasn’t even trying to make a joke. LOL.
I think politics is right up there with religion… both trickle down to other things like morals and values… and if you can’t agree on those things initially when meeting someone… it will only get worse down the road… so no I would not date someone who doesn’t have the same political views as me.
“I think politics is right up there with religion”
i agree with this. i don’t know if i could be in a serious relationship with anyone who was an orthodox anything.
all this dam@n thinkin hurt my head today. I need a martini.
Yeah the Martin(i) would be great right about now!!!
I have to say that if McCain/Palin wins, I’m moving to Canada. And its not an empty threat… I’m a Kanuck, I know how to speak French, and we still own a house in T.O.
And I’m starting to think I want my kids to go to a French Immersion school…
I decided something similar. My parents still have property and connections in the homeland
I decided something similar. My parents still have property and connections in the homeland
Where are you from IH?
I’ve voted in every election, both local and national since 1992. I do it because like Comeback Girl mentioned earlier, its a matter of respect for the struggle. “1965 wasn’t that long ago”. I couldn’t deal w/anyone on any level who doesn’t have that same respect.
Point blank. Period. Dot Com.
As far as if they are voting the same way I’m voting, I think it’s a private matter. It’s a deep down thing for me ( I actually pray to God and the ancestors before I cast my vote), and I assume the same about others.
But I definitely wouldn’t become involved w/a person whose views and beliefs were nowhere near lining up w/mine. A certain level of commonalities is good, but basic life philosophies cannot be overlooked and/or negated in intimate relationships.
“But I definitely wouldn’t become involved w/a person whose views and beliefs were nowhere near lining up w/mine. A certain level of commonalities is good, but basic life philosophies cannot be overlooked and/or negated in intimate relationships.”
good point and sh*t
“Who you vote for is not nearly as important as why you’re choosing to vote for them.
“i won’t say its not nearly as important, but i do agree that it definitely matters”
Someone voting for Obama solely because he’s “black” or handsome or from IL is just as the same as someone voting for McCain because he picked Palin as a running mate. They’re equally ignorant to the issues at hand.
And I don’t do ignorant.
“Someone voting for Obama solely because he’s “black” or handsome or from IL is just as the same as someone voting for McCain because he picked Palin as a running mate. They’re equally ignorant to the issues at hand”
yeah..but sometimes the end justifies the means
True.
At this point I wouldn’t care why someone voted for Obam if it would increase the possibility that he was able to defeat McCain.
But if the “why”s weren’t important McCain wouldn’t still be trying to misrepresent himself to the masses as a “maverick”.
Im at a point right now, where i agree with your friend champ. i was finding it difficult to truly have respect for the hillary supporters i was coming across during primary season (and i still have no respect for the idiots that intend to vote for mccain because she’s not the nominee…i cant even get started on that!)
my thing was, please dont give me that “experience” crap as your reason for supporting her. if you like her policies and what she says resonates with you, then fine. vote your conscience, but dont be an a*shole. dont vote for her cuz you have matching genetalia. they should revoke the right to vote for these people.
but now…i cant even go there. not with mccain, not with palin. people who literally support these people’s policies?? me and those people live in two TOTALLY different countries. our views of the world and the people in it are completely different. theres no way i could date a mccain supporter. theres no way i could date someone who truly believed that sarah palin would IN ANY WAY help this country as president. to me, that person is actually crazy. poor judgment, poor reality testing, lack of empathy….these are symptoms, my friend!
When I was a little girl my mother told me to never marry a republican or I would spend the rest of my life sleeping next to the man who cancelled my vote. I took that to heart.
I almost got into it with my friend at the bar last night regarding “Obama not being good for Israel.” She’s jewish, born and raised there, so of course she’s biased. She tried to tell me how Israel needs US support b/c otherwise theyd be the helpless nation in a sea of enemies. I tried to explain to her that they have nuclear weapons, a ridiculously aggressive army, and a superior intelligence agency. She wasn’t hearing it. By the end of it, I was HEATED. We played nice but it wasnt the same lol.
This was with a friend, so I can imagine political arguments with a romantic interest.
but can u imagine the make up secks?????
True…but it would be that hateful type of pounding… “How u like that…u republican smut”
LMAO!
“True…but it would be that hateful type of pounding…”
thats how i feel about derek jeter.
*go red sox*
The funny thing is Obama is about as pro-Israel as they come. People have this distorted view of the man as some ultra leftist, when in actuality, the cat is just a tad left of center from the average politician. I wouldn’t expect any changes when it came to Israel from him.
He has to be as pro-israeli as they come, otherwise he would be in trouble. I don’t see much changing in policy towards them, except perhaps there would be less of a pat back on the back when they launch attacks, and more of a diplomatic push by the president
although this is totally unrelated to the discussion, i just wanted to let everyone know that i just received an email from my dad in which the phrase “…bill clinton getting bj’s in his pj’s in the oval office…” was included.
i love my parents.
carry on
I think I love your dad too
It’s not that I’m simply for Obama, it’s that I’m a democrat. It’s at the heart of who I am…you could tell that by looking at my blog.
I could not date a person who votes republican because, I’d truly believe that something wasn’t right with them at the core of their soul.
I recently won a debate against a black republican and here is some of the callous shit that he said (full debate @ my spot):
– In a nut shell when the rich are happy the poor are happy.
– When products are American made by well paid and benefited American workers, the poor will not be able to shop at Wal Mart
– When XYZ_Corp has to pay higher taxes it will ripple down. Jobs will be cost, raises will go down, and the price of XYZ_Corp’s product will go up. This ripple effect of Obama’s tax plan could affect the middle class and the poor more than the tax breaks we might get.
I ripped him a new fannyhole (or donated precious brain cells to him).
It’s not that I’m simply for Obama, it’s that I’m a democrat. It’s at the heart of who I am…you could tell that by looking at my blog.
I could not date a person who votes republican because, I’d truly believe that something wasn’t right with them at the core of their soul.
I recently won a debate against a black republican and here is some of the callous shit that he said (full debate @ my spot):
- In a nut shell when the rich are happy the poor are happy.
- When products are American made by well paid and benefited American workers, the poor will not be able to shop at Wa.l Mart
- When XYZ_Corp has to pay higher taxes it will ripple down. Jobs will be cost, raises will go down, and the price of XYZ_Corp’s product will go up. This ripple effect of Obama’s tax plan could affect the middle class and the poor more than the tax breaks we might get.
I gave him a new fannyhole (or donated precious brain cells to him).
It’s not that I’m simply for Obama, it’s that I’m a democrat. It’s at the heart of who I am…you could tell that by looking at my blog.
I could not date a person who votes republican because, I’d truly believe that something wasn’t right with them at the core of their soul.
I recently won a debate against a black republican and here is some of the callous stuff that he said (full debate @ my spot):
- In a nut shell when the rich are happy the poor are happy.
- When products are American made by well paid and benefited American workers, the poor will not be able to shop at Wa.l Mart
- When XYZ_Corp has to pay higher taxes it will ripple down. Jobs will be cost, raises will go down, and the price of XYZ_Corp’s product will go up. This ripple effect of Obama’s tax plan could affect the middle class and the poor more than the tax breaks we might get.
I gave him a new fannyhole (or donated precious brain cells to him).
(sorry for tripple post, I figured you’d delete the previous two..but I cleaned this one up)
I went, I read, I loved!
congrats on handing his a$$ to him
Hmm, I have a simple answer to this. If Sarah Palin was single, a few years younger, and made a move on me, I’d be f*cking her that night. . .
I dont have a problem with a person that admits to voting for Barack because he’s black, as much as I have a problem with black educated people who use his lack of experience as an excuse to vote against him because he is black. I heard a thousand times about Hillary’s experience but honestly what experience did SHE have? She was first lady but she was not running the country. She had basically the same experience in her own right as he did. bourgeois blacks use “voting republican” the same way they use rental luxury cars, business cards and irregular/discounted designer clothes and shoes….
For me, it’s about the “why?”
I need to know why a person of color is a Republican, period. It has to be principled and I have to have a real sense that this person has reconciled the fiscal with the social (conservativism, that is) in a way that makes rational and emotional sense.
I need to feel comfortable that not voting for Obama is principled. I need you to tell me why McCain’s platform is better. If its a partisan thing, then all the stuff above is important (why are you a R)
Often I find that people of color mask embarrassment with black people and naked assimilationist ambition with being conservative (politically, that is) and a Republican. That to me feels reactionary and unprincipled. If you believe in small government and you think market values will ensure things shake out fairly (esp. to the little [and/or black] guy) and can explain it to me in a way I can appreciate (even if I disagree), then sure we can kick it.
I just find, in my experience, that there are few people who can do this.
so I’m maad late, but I just had to say this.
I agree with said friend. I can vote, I WILL VOTE!!!
However in this campaign with access to all personal info I find it had to seperate the “man” from the “race”. First its part of my government to stay up in the news. Then the media stays on insignificant ish (Palins glasses (Made page 2 news in major paper, or How much Michelle’s speench dress was compared to Cindy’s… diversion or the slow steady decline of man’s intelligence ) YES WE CAN!!
However, when I heard the story of McCain’s first wife my pure disdain turned into pure DISGUST!!
I digress, it’s too late to get riled up…
YES WE CAN!
“However, when I heard the story of McCain’s first wife my pure disdain turned into pure DISGUST”
you didn’t like that love story LOL?? honor…dedication…it made me warm and tingly…for real though THAT woman has a story to tell. But maybe her story is about absolute forgiveness. I salute her just for that.
Love story my mash!! lol…. that woman has an amazing story of forgivness and survival. But it made me wanna throat punch and crotch jab that McCain chacter!
politics – so sick of it all right now – the ruling party here in SA just recalled, (read ‘fired’ )our president -thabo mbeki is no longer president of south africa…shock/horror – so everyone is tense and wondering what’s next – we’d love to have an obama type option…elections are next year, and i’m not sure why they fired the man a mere 9 months before elections -so tiresome, these ‘big men’ and their games. tiresome as all hell…
Well I love politics… so in dating it’s okay to be different but I wouldn’t be able to date anyone who was totally clueless to what was going on around him. I mean he doesn’t have to record every Nancy Grace show but at least know who the candidates are.
I’m probably a horrible person, but I lost respect for my mother when she voted for bush TWICE — not considering the fact that she’s a minority female that falls on top of the poverty line, but because she didn’t want gays to marry. This year she insisted that she was going to vote McCain. When I told her about the private banks selling themselves because of the economy, she murmured in concern, and I couldnt help but slide in that if she votes McCain, he’s not going to make it any better for us, because things are only getting better for him. Maybe she’ll listen this time.
I’ve always had trouble dating Republicans. We just don’t see things the same way. Their concept of poverty and economic change are horribly misaligned with mine. They also tend to have a distaste for immigrants and fall to using stereotypes gleefully. More often than not — not saying all republicans are — they proved closed-minded in a lot of aspects, and were very VERY quick to resort to name calling and attacking personal characters in arguments and debates. I will not date one again, regardless of Obama or future candidates…
yes
noyes