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Strippers.
I think strippers provide the world with a much needed escape from reality. Most strippers don’t look like the kind of women we’d marry. They have fun little tattoos of sunflowers in the most curious of places. Strippers are the combination of synchronized swimming, choreographed undressing, gymnastics and Ripley’s Believe-It-Or-Not, all in one.
You know, I honestly believe strippers get a bad rap. Most people view strippers as money-hungry, scandalous, trifling chicks who have nothing to offer the world and I simply disagree. Especially since I think that damn near every woman actually wants to be a stripper. Most just don’t have the proverbial balls to do so.
Mmhmm.
I drew this conclusion after noticing an interesting trend. Allow me to share:
Panama’s Pole Postulation 1.2: If you put a pole in the middle of a room, 8 out of 10 women will either swing around it or touch the pole at some point.
Now this actually speaks to two different things. The first is that women do want to be strippers evidenced by the fact that no pole is safe in a room full of women and a DJ. The second is more interesting though. Somehow, I think women are as obsessed with phallic symbols as Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing thinks white people are obsessed with the suppression of the Black male phallus. The only difference is that I think Dr. Cress-Welsing is f*cking insane – though she’s probably right for all the wrong reasons. I mean really…it’s just a football.
But I digress.
Anyway, I’ve always found it interesting how many women will congregate to a pole in a room, even without any music playing. It just seems that women tend to like touching protruding objects. I’ve never been able to put my finger on it aside from the obvious adoration for the male fun-gun. Granted, it’s probably a subconscious thing and somewhere in life, society’s focus on patriarchal living was ingrained into the fabric of every woman’s mind causing a certain penis-love (I really don’t know if I believe in penis-envy though it can’t be discounted). I mean that’d would at least explain in part why women are always feeling up poles.
Men do it too I suppose, but I don’t know if it’s so abnormal considering how we have to “hold the pole” to take a piss, anyway. We have a birthright to be obsessed with our fun-guns. Plus, you don’t actually see straight men gravitating towards poles just because the damn thing is there.
But women on the other hand will just hold-the-pole to have a regular conversation and as soon as some music starts playing, out come the moves that most women ASSUME would be stripper moves.
I guess the main point here is that I find it very captivating that women are obsessed with poles so much, considering that most women don’t really respect actual strippers. Yet, as soon as the opportunity presents itself, the inner stripper in every woman will surface if the lights are dimmed just enough.
So what is it? Are all women really pseudo-strippers at heart? Or are women just obsessed with penii?
And where is the Honeycomb Hideout?
-VSB P
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I think it goes back to the days in the jungle gym. The monkey bars and stuff were fun. Nothing phallic. Get your mind out the gutter, P.
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panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:18 am
I don’t even see how that relates. Plus, boys play on the monkey bars probably moreso than women do. You don’t see us backing it up on every pole we see…
Y’all just enjoy touching poles.
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Liz Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am
only cuz ya’ll enjoy watching us touch poles.
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willnotbetelevised Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:07 am
thats exactly what i was going to say. Its flirting. Women want to be strippers because men like strippers. but they also know men don’t really respect strippers (note: wont marry one) so its a way to flirt but then say, oh i’m not actually a stripper, i’m dateable.
The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:09 am
“i’m not actually a stripper, i’m dateable.”
another t-shirt
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
@champ. That is a shirt I would actually wear to the club
don giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
where can i buy a few of those for a few female friends i have??
AroundHarlem.com Reply:
June 17th, 2008 at 7:55 am
I can’t wait for the shirts …….. LOL.
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Boys like the pole too. If the poles are chick magnets then men are going to be where the chicks are.
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southernabelle Reply:
June 18th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Women like to feel sexy….seeing a stripper pole evokes sex and to me ( a woman comfy in the sexuality) ..giving a pole a twist pushes a button, if you will.. the negative connotations that come with that…well….you just don’t know ( ;
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Never been in a room with women and a pole (besides the strip club) to test the theory, but I agree about the bum rap.
This comes up with me and my female friends often, and I think player’s club has convinced them all that its a place where the baby mama who is desperate for money is willing to let her psuedo-cute cousin get gangbanged for a few bucks (and don’t forget the lesbian rape scene). If only I could take pictures and show women its different (too bad there are strict rules bout them cameras).
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
@SBM. In Atlanta, (straight) women frequent the strip clubs just as much as the men so no pictures are needed. We go where the men are and strip clubs are the best place to spot/learn a man’s behavior. It is an easy way to determine who is cheap and who is not!
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Teacia Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Funny you should say that b/c my girls and I go to the strip ONLY because that’s where the men are who are easy targets…lol. Man, I love living in Florida!!
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
hey Teesh, don’t know how i missed this comment earlier today. we gon have to have a lil talk. …like you and ur girls stalking the strip clubs “ONLY because that’s where the men are who are easy targets…” LMAO!!!!
female lionesses hunting in packs preying on the hot and bothered. open, fully self-accepted female sexuality. 6 times proposed to married never.
…and was it a coupla weeks ago some memory about you cuming on some dude and he thought he peed on ya. LOL!
ima have to study this. make an appointment. step into my office.
don giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
it’s not a true determinant of whether a man is cheap or not!! i’m actually quite picky about my strippers!! they get checked for bullet/knife wounds, keloids, and bad breast implants before i even say hello!!
i view my dances like i view sex…can’t have just anybody!! needs to be something else there that makes me wanna keep going after 5 minutes or else i’m off to the next one!!
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it’s in my pants.
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On a real note, I know a few strippers. I dont know, it depends on what venue they work for. The ones who dance in the basement of the bar and do make use of the champagne room — yeah, that’s where the rap comes from — do practice trifling tendencies outside of the mirrored walls. The ones who strictly abide by the No Touch law of NY, who tip the dj, and who get driven home.. it’s just another job, really. And no, theyre not always molested as a child. Some still suppress shame every day, but admittedly the money is incomparable.
All women want to try their hand at sexy. I can tell you now, I fail at the pole. If somebody taught me, I’d rock, but the one time I wound myself around a pole, I was awkward and laughing hysterically.
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:24 am
real talk…there is a club here in the “D” that has a free stripper class every Saturday from 7-9pm…(hit me @gmail.com for details) I have been…it was fun although I didn’t learn very many new moves…I was the one in the back modifyiing the moves for those with bad knees…lol…and then came the POLE! (gasp!) do you know the ab streangth necessary to rock a pole like Ronnie a la Player’s Club? MAN! I will admit…the red wuhn failed at the pole…but I will NOT be defeated…I will keep going back until I am upside sliding to the floor and landing in a split…
I want to strip at least once before I die…I tried out at a big girl club in Houston called “Baby Dolls” but although I had “amazing presence and great moves” I wasn’t big enough…I’m too “thick” for the mainstream clubs and not “thick” enough for the fetish driven market! Can I get a SMEDIUM girl strip club on aisle 3?
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:34 am
because you’ve been a good sport, i’ll have our people install a pole in your corner to keep you occupied.
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:12 am
BLESS YOU…although you know the pole is for more for ya’lls enjoyment than mine…but I will put on a good show for ya..
and ummm…the conjugal visits?
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:22 am
give a nickel a rope….
too much is not enough.
LOL!
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:21 am
she still in the corner. LMAO! the pole is her consolation prize for being a sport. Ha!! …ur killing her.
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
@GK and Champ! How long does one stay in the corner on this site?
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
@Good. You forgot all about arm strength. Man, I never knew strippers had to work out regularly to master such a trade.
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Don Giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
actually, the pole is a workout itself….the basement and the top floor of the GC back in the day, the amazement of the acrobatic moves these girls could do!! better than the cirque du soleil!!! The main floor was a little too crowded…you might catch a heel to the face!!
AroundHarlem.com Reply:
June 17th, 2008 at 8:00 am
LOL @ better than the cirque du soleil
yellahamma Reply:
June 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Im a stripper myself here in Ft Worth TX. Its funny because we are perceived as “hoes” yet the girls who come in the club are just as naked and dancing just like me, I’m just getting paid. Also I have NEVER slept with a customer, I don’t sleep with customers at my day job so y do it at my night job. The men who come in the strip clubs usually end up leaving with the other girls in the club but we (the ones stripping) are the ones getting a bad rep! I wouldn’t care what any of them nigs or broads thought about me cuz they paying my rent ya dig!!
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genius khan Reply:
June 19th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
i digs, wit yo yella arse is sayin. so be honest wit ya boy, how many of the women you work with have slept with the customers? (your opinion/knowledge)
would you sleep with a customer? (not necessarily a financial transaction) i mean could u like a patron enuf to go there with him/her?
how many of the women who work the strip club with you are gay or bi. do tell?
yellahamma Reply:
June 19th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I couldn’t even count how many of them do just to be honest. I personally couldn’t do it, this sounds so crazy since I work there but I don’t wanna sleep with no dude who’s looking to sleep with strippers. Ha, ironic as hell huh? (and I don’t do patron, I’m a hennessey, crown, jack typa chick) I just personally don’t believe in mixing work and pleasure, at any job. During the day I am a receptionist at an adoption agency, I don’t sleep with anyone there so y do it at the club. If im gon give myself to a man I would like him to know me outside of that environment. Btw I am not trying to play the “good” stripper like Diamonds bitch ass in players club, because I’m a stripper just like them other girls. One is no different than the other, the act of dancing I mean, as far as after the dancing we all have different beliefs about what we will and won’t do after clock out time. As far as the bi gay situation, it’s hard to tell which girls are really gay(bi) or
which ones do it because they think they will get more money or just because the men like it. Sometimes you can see in the girls eyes how uncomfortable she is with having another girl all up on her but she gotta stack that paper! Huh, if you do it for money your still gay though right? I would say 75% do participate in “gay like” activities! (You like that “gay like” activities”) I personally don’t like girls, I like my men. I do think a womans form is beautiful though so it doesn’t bother me looking at them but heffa u bet not touch me!
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
@ Jess. Places offer free pole classes if you really want to rock the pole. LOL
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Jess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
FREE? WHERE. In NYC the pole classes offered in gyms run like $70 per class (even more expensive privately). I mean, sure, I can sacrifice 10 days worth of food just to learn how to properly hold myself up with my vagina so that I can administer windmill tricks with my legs, arms and hair, but I like eating.
Free? Seriously, find it for me. It’s the illest workout, that I know for a fact, in all the right places. I already know how to pick up a man without a pole, but I still want to take that class. TELL!
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“Panama’s Pole Postulation 1.2: If you put a pole in the middle of a room, 8 out of 10 women will either swing around it or touch the pole at some point”
Guilty! I’ve swung around a pole. I can’t explain why, there’s something sexy about it. Do I secretly want to be a stripper? No! But, there’s a difference between doing it for me & my man versus a room of strangers. You can do a lot of sexy moves and it keeps things interesting.
Strippers do get a bum rap. A lot of women have a fear that they’re doing more than “dancing” and are not happy with their men going to strip clubs. Personally, I don’t look down on them. I had a friend from college do it and know that women have different reasons for stripping. Some women fall on hard times and have to provide for their kids. Others can’t afford to go to school, so they use the money to pay for their education. It seems like a double standard between male and female strippers though. When a man does it, it’s not as a big deal as a female stripper.
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:17 am
“When a man does it, it’s not as a big deal as a female stripper.”
lol, i dont think so. every male stripper carries the “switch-hitter” stigma, which, in our culture is much worse for a man to possess than a woman. i’d even go as far to say that as soon as a man takes his clothes off in front of a group of people in any situation other than a locker room, he immediately becomes “suspect” in the eyes of many, and that suspicion never goes away
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:29 am
(raising hand from the corner)
I do not like male strippers! there is something b*tch-made about a man in a butt-less velvet onesie, chaps w/ sequin trim, and a bolero jacket making his cheesk clap to R. Kelly’s Seems Like You’re Ready”! Yeah I’m ready to GO! boooooo! Most of them are d*ck smugglers anyway…I mean if you’re gonna do it! do it! but don’t act like it’s beneath you, when you know you got a ball gag in your arse!
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Monnie Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:57 am
You forgot about the Jodeci or fireman boots…
I went to one show and dude had on pastel Aloysius Snuffleupagus set.
That is not sexy.
Fulanigirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I agree GOODENess, male strippers are too corny for me….
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
@Good. Yeah, I agree as well. Male strippers are just not exciting to me. I mean, their moves are pretty generic. Do they ever have original tricks?
yellahamma Reply:
June 19th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Thankyou! so true, and they be putting they junk all in yo face, I would b so mad and the girls just be going crazy. I dont get it!
Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:08 am
@ Champ~can you please let GOODEness out the corner? She aint been misbehavin and the time you had her in there is a tad extreme. The punishment should fit the crime.
You must be a sadist
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:23 am
i think she likes it there.
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
(blushing) I do like it a little bit…I enjoy the “special attention” and you are making it more and more cozy for me everyday!
KindredSmile Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I disagree – she clocked more time with “butt-less velvet onesie”
Nut Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:54 am
“i’d even go as far to say that as soon as a man takes his clothes off in front of a group of people in any situation other than a locker room, he immediately becomes “suspect” in the eyes of many, and that suspicion never goes away”
so true. and the outfits are way to shiny.
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Leila if you found out after the fact that a man you were dating was stripping for the usually phony reason a female stripper uses (i.e. money for school) would you believe him and be ok with it?
…and if a man told you what you acccept so empathetically from female strippers: “…fall on hard times and have to provide for their kids.”
would you still date him? …and if you did how would you feel when he comes home on the regular, the afternoon’s after? please tell me you woud feel good about it every friday, saturday, sunday and monday afternoon after? …gone all night, all weekend. then you go to work and find out you supervisor had her hand on his dick and she knows he’s your man. that’s gonna be a good look at the X-mas party. i know, i know you would be oh so cool with this. right?
most women don’t have the emotional unavailability and detachment to PIMP. thats why 99% of the time its a mans job.
IF and when mens stripping becomes as prevelant as female stripping i wonder how you feel about making a boyfriend or husband out of a stripper.
most of the male strippers i know are in open relationships and many of them swing. would you be ok with this? ( i know their psuedo-girlfriends)
take two doses of reality and call me never. LOL!
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:39 am
I know this was for Leila…but I have to say…HELL TO THE NAW! I know some male strippers and they are hustlers. I know women that have abandoned marriages, lost homes, jobs, cars, savings, etc behind chasing these dudes…and most of them (the strippers) look like the inside of a chopped beef sammich! The women are ignut enough to think dude is really feeling them and they give him whatever he wants…I wouldn’t even have a stripper as a FuBu, because there is an air of hoe-ness that is far more stank than a female stripper…not a SKRIPPUH, a stripper…SKRIPPPUHs are just as (if not moreso) than male pole monkeys…I’m just saying…The disparity between the acceptance of female and male strippers is vast…(shruggin) but whatchu gonna do…double standard indeed…now if he used to be a male stripper (ie YEARS before we met) and had since given up the game… I would consider it…but actively employed as one…nope!
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panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:58 am
I like double standards. They keep life interesting, no?
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:24 am
never wife a sexual double standard. word.
Sister Toldja Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:06 am
LMAO! I was at a male strip show once (Choices, in Baltimore) and this stripper (who was packing 12 inches, I KID YOU NOT) offered me his phone number and was like “Call me anytime. Hit me up tonight”. I was perplexed, as there were mad women in the club clamoring over the mens and I was chilling extra hard. I know he didn’t think I was one of the women described above, or that I would pay for some ass. Plus, I was getting broke off on the regular at this point, so I didn’t have an air of despiration. Needless to say, I didn’t call.
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:17 am
my ex lives right by Choices…they go after the ones that aren’t pressed or impressed…(shruggin) I believe the footlong though… I was married to one, so my jaw hits no pavement on the existence of the truest form of SOUL POLE…lol…but I will give him his penileprops for not having a fake pocket rocket to fill that banana hammock! those DC boys seem to be bigger than the average bear…must be something in the water!
Sister Toldja Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Mercury.
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
@Good. Thanks for the heads up. I will be sure to wear my vacation goggles the next time I hit Chocolate City
Leila Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:06 am
I would not want to date/be in a relationship with a male stripper. You’re right that women could not handle it, especially me. I need a lot of attention and would not be comfortable with my man being out there like that. But there’s a difference between doing it temporarily and permanently. I don’t have any male friends who are strippers, but one of my friends did in college and he did temporarily to pay for school. I just finished grad school with 6 figures in student loans and can understand the desire to do it because the money is good and you only work a couple hours a night.
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Sister Toldja Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Is he exceedingly good looking? Cause if so, I’d date him. It depends how deep in the strip game he was if we could have long term potential, but there is a paucity of fine men out here and I would be foolhard to pass that up.
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:28 am
dam Toldya Girl, it’s hard out there on a pimptress huh. is it really that big of a shortage of fine men? kudos for being open minded enough to date a currently stripping male. i think a man would do that (date a female stripper) quicker than a woman but i think you would find that you couldn’t handle the lifestyle unless you could handle an open relationship etc. not to mention out all night half the week.
The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:35 am
yeah, i’m surprised our resident radfem freedom fighting socialist would get in a serious relationship with chocolate thundersticks. who’d a thunk it?
Sister Toldja Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Well, I meant an EX stripper, not a current one. I could probably handle an open relationship/homie-lover-friend situation with a working stripper, but it would likely go down as one of the passing fancy stories of my 20s. Which is all to the good, cause I want to write a memoir one day (no Superhead).
My brand of feminism strives to make everyone equally free to do the same stupid shit.
Tezeta Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
@leila …no I can singularly vouch that the fine black men pickings are just as slim if not damn near anorexic here on the left coast. Please don’t get hopes up
Sister Toldja Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Depressingly hard out here, GK. I can make a case for most women being pretty, but the menfolk? Not so much. Call me superficial, but I am casting for cuties in my life movie.
Leila Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:58 am
I agree. Where are the good-looking men? I’m getting ready to move to the west coast and hope that the situation is different out there.
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
@Sister. The good looking men ARE definitely hard to fine. I am so glad I am NOT on the market because, I think I would get freaking depressed. We need to start putting as much pressure on the men as they place on us when it comes to beauty.
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
@Leila. I think men have the same rep as women that strip. I think all stripper are hoes and have a price regardless of sex. js
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Straight up…I’ve been a strip club connoisseur (in the past…making occassional visits back home) and I TOTALLY agree that exotic dancers (strippers) get a bad rap.
The automatic assumption is that they’re hoes and they’re fuckin’ for cash. That generalization is the same as saying, “I see a bunch of of black guys with their pants sagging to their knees…they must be about to kill someone.” Surely, it may be true, but 9 times out of 10, that’s not the case – he’s not about to commit a homicide and she’s not as NASTY as one may think.
I’ve dated dancers before and I SWEAR they are more particular about cleanliness than “regular” girls. Afterall, they rely on their appearance and hygiene to make profit.
Now I know there are some skanks out there who are/look “unclean” but that goes with regular chicks too.
And yep, I KNOW that ALL chicks have a desire to work that pole and seduce that man…just in the same fashion that everyman desires to kick down the door, wave his “magic wand”, and have a chick hypnotized by the “pole”.
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:34 am
not all strippers are ho’s like:
not all basketball players are tall.
not all football players are strong.
not all black people like watermelon.
this we know. and you don’t have to be a stripper to be a ho.
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:40 am
SUCH REAL TYPING… the biggest hoes, don’t even think they are hoes!
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I haven’t met a black person yet that didn’t…. caught myself
But for real, I don’t really believe the stereotypes.
Having grown up in the shadows of an Ivy League institution, and knowing of many beautiful white women who actually were paying their way at the local mob hangout, I mean strip club, I never believed that all strippers were ho’s. Just like I am not naive enough to believe that they are all working there to pay their way through college
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
@Gk. You are right. Anybody can be a ho, regardless of what profession you chose.
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
@Monk.
“I’ve dated dancers before and I SWEAR they are more particular about cleanliness than “regular” girls. Afterall, they rely on their appearance and hygiene to make profit”
I agree. Strippers are very clean. I can’t tell you how many coochie baths I have witnessed in the Chittah lounge. Disclaimer: I used to date a man that was obsessed with strip clubs.
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love this topic
I started taking pole-dancing classes last year and now I teach them @ a local studio. It’s fun and you can get creative. It’s also nice to show off your routine to your special someone
My students range from Senator wives to gay men.
The pole is your friend and it makes for an easy way to feel liberated.
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:18 am
“The pole is your friend”
i have the feeling that today is gonna be a great t-shirt day
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
@Champ. Yeah, that t-shirt has a double meaning. LOVE IT!
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
yeah I agree, “the pole” is my BFF
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:41 am
now see i love u. you are doing a great service to your community. i would send some girls to sign up for ur class if i was in ur city. to many women are sexually and sensually inhibited. keep up the good work.
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panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Yeah, anybody who thinks the pole is their friend is alright in my book. VSB salutes you.
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ok! this is a fun topic for me and one that has risen in many conversations that i have had with many different people! i do agree that strippers gte a bum rap only for the simple fact that they sell a fantasy that revolves around sex! growing up and living in atlanta, in a time where there was a strip club on almost every corner, i frequented them all! hell, at 16, i was the youngest person allowed in the gold club and had a $200 bar credit every time i walked in, but that is a different story!
i knew and still know strippers and they are from many different walks of life! the single mothers who are down on their luck, the college students who don’t qualify for financial aides but can’t afford the costs of tuition, and the exhibitionist who loves the attention and the money! and i can definitely say that they all treat it as if it were a job and nothing else! these women are actually some of the smartest women i have met who could probably have more insight in the field of human interaction and psychology than those who go to school for it!! i actually know one who is a doctoral candidate in psychology and says that she is going to cut back after she makes enough money to start her private practice, as a psychiatrist that is. but i believe that the whole issue is for women who hate the strippers and that their men will visit these places is that the fact that a woman who doesn’t know a man can get the emotionally aroused as well as sexually aroused on a different level than their girlfriend can!
i’ve heard women ask the question many times before of why go and spend money at a strip club for something that is tangible and you can’t truly experience when you can have me all to yourself and do whatever we want to do! i believe that it has to do with the fantasy part! when you walk into a strip club, there are at least 20 different women, differing in shapes, sizes, skin tone, height, etc., and the fact that you have a choice is what makes it appealing! plus, it brings every man in their down to the same level…no matter how much a man has in his pocket (whether $50-$50,000), for 3 minutes and some odd seconds, he can have the pleasure of having someone who is not the normalcy for him in his personal space selling him a dream, a fantasy that on any other day in any other place he would never have! whether he can keep her there for one song or 50 songs is up to him and his financial status, but when they approach him and ask would he like a dance or would he like to visit a private room, it gives him the false sense of being sought after, pursued or in charge! i see the faces of too many guys who are hooked on that feeling and it stems from them not being able to be in control of situations in their daily lives.
as far as do i think it is some type of instilled or institutionalized response for women to want to grab the pole and take a swing, i believe it is! i hear women all the time say that they wouldn’t degrade themselves by dancing naked at some club for a little piece of change and that the women there must not have any self respect, but i have to disagree! i think that most women, if they weren’t so self-conscious about their physical appearances would consider it, even if it was just a fleeting thought! where else can you sit and lie to men about how sexy you think they are and all that good stuff while making up to $500 a night (or day, depending on your shift) which is tax free and get your exercises on to livelier music than in the gym and on your ipods?? i’m thinking about trying out for a male review right now and i’m about 5′4″ 210lbs and as round as a pregnant woman carrying twins!! damn, won’t i look sexy up there?
i believe that the appeal in it lies in the attention that one gets, the feeling that they are highly desired by someone who would normally not look twice in their direction, the sensuality and sexuality they behold while dancing around the pole! don’t deny it fellas! we pay more attention to the woman dancing near the columns, stair rails or on the walls of a club than the ones on the dance floor! its just something about how she places her hands on it and playfully acts out the scenario that you thought of in that 2 minute time frame of what might happen when (scratch that) if you get her home tonight!! and women know this! that is part of the whole teasingly seeking attention from all the men across the room, even though she will never accept or give out her number to any of them because she knows what they are thinking and seeking from her!!
i do have more to say, but i’m out at pin ups right now being lied to by a girl in a shiny bikini about how she can tell i workout from feeling my arms! but i know the truth, la fitness has been gladly taking their fee out of my account even though they know i haven’t been in their since february!! she is boosting my ego right now, making me want to go ahead and give her this $10 bill for a dance, but i’m gonna wait until the 3rd song of the set when they play something long and slow!
talk to ya’ll later on today!! i’ll have more focus then!!
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willnotbetelevised Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:13 am
i believe that the appeal in it lies in the attention that one gets, the feeling that they are highly desired by someone who would normally not look twice in their direction, the sensuality and sexuality they behold while dancing around the pole! don’t deny it fellas! we pay more attention to the woman dancing near the columns, stair rails or on the walls of a club than the ones on the dance floor! its just something about how she places her hands on it and playfully acts out the scenario that you thought of in that 2 minute time frame of what might happen when (scratch that) if you get her home tonight!! and women know this! that is part of the whole teasingly seeking attention from all the men across the room, even though she will never accept or give out her number to any of them because she knows what they are thinking and seeking from her!!
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panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:02 am
R.I.P. Gold Club. Piedmont hasn’t been the same since…
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
@Don.
“i’ve heard women ask the question many times before of why go and spend money at a strip club for something that is tangible and you can’t truly experience when you can have me all to yourself and do whatever we want to do! ”
Okay, I truly do not have a problem with men going to strip clubs or spending out the a$$ while they are there. However, I do have a problem with guys blowing $200 at a club but not wanting to go an a decent date because they are “saving.”
Pin-ups, eh? Is he girl there with the big butterfly tattoo on her a$$ making it fly for you? LOL!
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Don Giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
well, i guess then you have to ask the question of is she worth a decent date and what does a decent date consist to the two of you!! the guys are probably looking at it this way…1. this girl will really listen to me and stroke my ego while my girl at home gripes and causes me grief, 2. $5 for 3 minutes of pleasure versus $25-$50 dinner and an ungodly amount of time of pain and suffering!! you do the math!! now the whole thing is this, when dates arise, who usually pays out the ass is the one who doesn’t usually get any ass!! So, many times a guy might hold off on an expensive date until he feels that it might be worth it to go broke for the woman, whereas there is usually no pressure in the strip clubs…you either feel me or you don’t, i either want you to dance or i don’t, i either like this song or i don’t…not too much thought needs to be put into it…a date on the other hand…where are we going to go, will we have a great conversation, will i be bored out of my mind, will i duck out of the back after i say i’m going to the restroom, will she duck out of the back after saying she has to go to the restroom…too many more questionable variables that might present itself during the time!!! plus, the strip club is entertaining and fun each and every time, guaranteed…who doesn’t like to be entertained and have fun?? dates on the other hand, 50/50 chance on that one!! you never know what to expect!!
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Tallgent Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
AMEN!!! I am a man that is not a fan of the strip club but chick should not expect expensive dates off jump. I mean I dont know you, you are not special yet…
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
“I don’t know you, you are not special yet” ~~~ Man, that is a classic statement right there. And, I also think, it would look good on a t-shirt
Tallgent Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
I know it might sound like an asshole statement, but it is what it is
yeh, strippers do get a bad rap. why? because we all watch too much tv. there are the skank clubs and the high roller clubs, and most of us tend to associate strippers with the former, desperate more std version. hbo documentaries don’t exactly help in dismissing this negative stereotype either. many of the women that are portrayed are broken (spiritually/ emotionally/ mentally), exploited both at work and on the home front, and are devoid of self-worth. their life appears sad and hopeless. on the other hand, i agree that the whole pole fascination with women is a fantasy. it has nothing to do with penis envy but rather everything to do with role playing. who wouldn’t want to put on a sexy outfit and dance on a pole for their guy? am i wrong? a few years ago, i went to vegas to ‘test’ this theory and realized that there is a little part of me that um…likes the pole. i’m thinking about signing up for a pole class where i live…they’re popping up everywhere! why? not because i aspire to be a stripper but because it’s a good ass workout and because i have a feeling my future guy will appreciate my new “strength training”. lol.
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panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:04 am
“who wouldn’t want to put on a sexy outfit and dance on a pole for their guy? am i wrong?”
So all women are definitely strippers at heart, huh? This makes me smile.
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Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:43 am
@ P- does this really make you smile or is their also a stigma attached to women who have admitted on the world wide web that they desire to be ‘one with the pole’ in the privacy of their home?
Stripper at heart: “Hello my name is Miss _and when I grow up I want a retractable pole in my bedroom”
Audience: *slow clap* “welcome, welcome”
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
@Miss Patterson. Not the slow clap. HA HA HA. Every girl does love a pole though.
panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Yeah I can actually appreciate a good stripper. I remember back when I was 18, I thought I’d seen the most beautiful woman in my life at a strip club.
She had major talent too…I’m a fan of strippers.
Well I’m not going to lie…I have taken measurements for a pole (removable and retractable) in my basement. I’ve actually taken a pole stripping class and was very fascinated at the fact that you can buy very sturdy “retractable” poles.
I don’t really think its about being a dirty azz stripper. As Miss Patterson suggests, there are two kinds. One is the skank who hasn’t seen the inside of a gym in 12 years with a bullet hole on her thigh the other I would put up there like a vegas revue. I mean when’s the last time somebody went up to a Pussy Cat Doll and tried to put money in the (busted hole) in her fishnets…it didn;t happen WHY?? because something about those girls too me say SEXY and UNTOUCHABLE and they wouldn’t be sporting torn fishnets either.
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:21 am
“I have taken measurements for a pole (removable and retractable) in my basement. ”
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TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:26 am
whats the problem…Miss Patterson summed it up well. EXCELLENT strength training.
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:39 am
lol, no problem. i’ve just never actually met a woman with a stripper pole in her basement. its just funny to me because most basements are inherently unsexy, and i imagine women testing out their moves in their sexiest outfits while bumping into the dryer and knocking over boxes filled with their old college textbooks
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:59 am
“lol, no problem. i’ve just never actually met a woman with a stripper pole in her basement. its just funny to me because most basements are inherently unsexy, and i imagine women testing out their moves in their sexiest outfits while bumping into the dryer and knocking over boxes filled with their old college textbooks”
LOL…ok somebody needs to be writing for the screen. This is CLASSIC and funny as hell.
well its not exactly a “basment” its the first floor, ground level “recreation room”. Its also my creative “work space”.
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
@Champ. You are a fool! Thanks for ruining my basement pole visual. LOL
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am
LOL! Heh! come on now she gave better reasons than just strength training. (i think that was just well crafted red herring distraction, fishy) its more about everything other than strength training. if she really wanted strength training, she would have been using that gym membership she bought or those exercise machines over in the corner catching dust. you’re not fooling me. no need to, i support your pole isssues. get some pole in ur life and stop bullshitting urself.
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:00 am
When you have ADD you need other workout variable options.
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:34 am
so the workout is in the top 3 reasons for you to work a pole. come on. look at your face. you can’t be serious.
panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Yeah, I’m with GK on this one…strength training is probably the least of reasons for pole-tasticness. Hell, you can lift weights for strength training. it’s more for the sexual fantasy and roleplaying aspects of it. Which to me means that most women want to be dirty (not hygienically but nasty) but society isn’t to receptive of this woman so she becomes they lady in the street but the freak in the bed.
The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:36 am
“women want to be dirty”
this was the 2nd suggested name for vsb.com before we went with vsb.com
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:45 am
@ ComeBack…(shameless, but genuine plug)
If you haven’t already found a place to get your pole…hit me up… I am a wholesaler of adult accessories…we have the retractable model that is mounted to the ceiling beam…you can take the pole down and hang a plant on the mount until it’s time to “work out”…hit me @gmail.com and I will get the prices for the different models….we currently have 4 I think…
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:01 am
my baby, sweet lady. how did the set go? (or maybe it hasn’t cum yet) what’s selling the best on the toy roster? what’s new? which ones really make you ssss- wett?
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:24 am
my set Thursday went well…I spit I wrote called MIC CHECK about the MIC being my aphrodisiac…my feature show is on 6.25.08 @ 9pm at the Absinthe Lounge…travel much? lol
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:40 am
yep. may hit Essence on the 4th then Vegas in July and September. got cousins in Mic city. might bless the set one day. hell i might even rock the open mic. caught ur unabashed plug. poles r us. stay tuned
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:47 am
so jealous…I want to go to Essence…but American Airlines doesn’t care how cute I am…they want money in exchange for goods/services…(sigh) not diong much traveling this year at all…it’s hard out here for a pimp…lol
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:02 am
a beam??? what about the one’s that the traveling stipper trainers use..you know the one you twist in the middle and has two round support structures at the top and the bottom (you twist until it locks in place). I don’t think a beam is very feng shui…but I will hit you up for the website.
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:22 am
it’s not a website..I am a licensed wholesaler…but I will hit you with the info…the twist-n-lock model is cool…I was just thinking as far as for doing stunts/tricks, etc…you would want a strudier connestcion…at the Lodge, they have a pole mounted to a mobile “stage” that has locking wheels…very sturdy! when I buy my house next year, I am going to have the beam mounted version in a corner of the pool table/boom boom room…removeable of course, I am somebody’s mama…lol
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:27 am
you have mail..no website..pictures will do.
Draw somthing on a peice of paper. Something I can visualize.
Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:27 am
they have retractable poles? cool!
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:39 am
“they have retractable poles? cool!”
in keeping with the phallic imagery, shouldn’t they be referred to as “flaccid poles”?
nevermind. don’t answer that
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miss t-lee Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Yes..they do…
don’t ask how I know, but do a google search.
Oh yeah and they support up to 300lbs.
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TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:03 am
“Oh yeah and they support up to 300lbs”
Im not getting a good picture here.
miss t-lee Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Reppin’ for the big girls…lol
So what is it? Are all women really pseudo-strippers at heart?
no
Or are women just obsessed with penii?
ALWAYS!
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I agree that strippers get a bad rap. and yes like every woman I would love to learn how to work the pole and be the person arosing desire from most of the men (and sometimes women) in a crowded room. Any woman who says that she doesn’t envy the confidence most strippers have is lying. I’m talking about honest working dancers, not the nasties that would do sumthin strange for a lil piece of change.
I will say that I think that it is a fantsy and all persons involved have to be reminded that this is a controlled situation with very small amounts of reality. Meaning that in real life women cannot behave like this with a positive response; the desire can quickly turn to uncontrolled aggression. In most cases outside of the strip club void all the security only a select few will stare longing from a distance or offer some sort of compensation for the work that is being put in. Instead you get primal behavior . This is true. I live in Atlanta and I’ve experienced freaknic. I’ve also been privy to how men behave when they see said stripper in her everyday life (ya know in the mall just buying some shoes) they are so aggressive. This type of desire arousal is a pressure cooker and it’s a matter of time before someone can’t control themselves. With that said it’s hard to believe a woman would, for any amount of money put herself in that kind of position. Maybe I’m a scardy cat, but I’ve been to strip clubs and thought ‘wow!! I would love to be up there show casing my sexyness.’ But with a quick look around the room and I’m quickly reminded that there is no way I could control who is at their boiling point and be concerned about if he knows how to handle it. I’ve been in the club with that one woman who had her pole moment and was quickly reminded where she was and how hard it is to control someone who just wants to touch the jiggly bits. They don’t ask they just grab. Sweaty hands, glazed over eyes with heavy breathing is not sexy and that’s reality.
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while it is true that strippers serve a purpose and aren’t all 14 dollar hookers with tear drop tats on both sets of cheeks, i do think that the “rap” that strippers get is 100 percent accurate. i think that there has to be something somewhat “off” with a person (male or female) who actually strips for a living. put it this way, i seriously doubt that any professional strippers bought any father’s day cards last weekend, lol
plus, from what i understand, if a woman stays in the strip game long enough, they start to look at all men as “johns”, and become completely jaundiced about the opposite sex and relationships in general.
for those who don’t think that strippers get a bad rap, would you wife (or husband) a stripper? not someone who has stripped in the past, but a current stripper?
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
@Champ. You know you stole that Fathers Day comment from me, right? I am calculating how much you owe me right nah!
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The Champ Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
your omelette is in the mail
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
@Champ. I hope it has extra cheese
yellahamma Reply:
June 19th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I can understand your position on that but I do it truly for the money. I was with my daddy on fathers day, we went to eat, went fishing and just spent the day together in general. Does my dad know I strip at night. . . hell no! He would come yoke me up outta there! I dont see my stripping as being “off” It truly is just easy and good money. But on the other hand I guess me doing something I cant share with my daddy is a lil “off”
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I have a love/thing with strip clubs, especially the bulletwound ones (shout out to The House and Macombo Lounge on Georgia Ave in DC). I can appreciate escapist fantasy, but there is still something degrading about the whole thing. Not as much as the upscale clubs, because the women have choreography and the touching is limited. But when a woman is popping her butt and humping the floor like a dog and men are throwing dollars….I dunno.
It’s weird, because it’s hard for me to imagine that seeing strippers and video girls does nothing to shape the female image in men’s minds. As I say all the time, this is a very misogynistic society and transactions like this do nothing to better that. Men don’t occupy spaces where we see them as pieces of meat or hoes that often. There is something a lot more comical than sexual about watching male strippers. Like, it’s moderately titlating because there’s hot bodies and big penii, but the men/routines and costumes are usually gay as hell. Which, in this rare space, does NOT make me fall in love. I digress…..
I will admit to being a hypocrite, or just conflicted, when it comes to this topic. Because I do think bullet wound strip clubs are fun and I saw a burlesque performer once and I thought it was really cool. And I think women grab poles because of phalllic obsession and the association with stripping and sexy, as someone else said.
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:09 am
“But when a woman is popping her butt and humping the floor like a dog and men are throwing dollars….I dunno.”
Toldya girl, this shit made me chuckle. i had flashbacks of being in the strip club. i have to admit that i like a woman who doesn’t strip but can go to the strip club and enjoy herself. very few women are sensually and sexually in tune enough for the thought of enjoying the strip club not to fry their brains and conflict their emotions and self acceptance.
“…bullet wound strip clubs are fun.” i’m still laughing and feeling you. LOL!
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:34 am
“i have to admit that i like a woman who doesn’t strip but can go to the strip club and enjoy herself. very few women are sensually and sexually in tune enough for the thought of enjoying the strip club not to fry their brains and conflict their emotions and self acceptance.”
(raising hand in corner, again) my homeboys take me all the time…they get more attention when I am with them…and I enjoy it…I pick up new moves…and the entertainment/attention of a well trained, captivating shoe model is second to none!
you sure you don’t know me for real? (squinting at my monitor, head to the side)
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
getting to know you. tell me what you’re wearing right now? maybe that will (clears throat) jar my memory. i sometimes remember by the fabric that brushes on ones skin. do tell.
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
too funny…I’m at the plantation so I am wearing a (insert farm name here as to remain semi-nonymous) and some black bermuda shorts…
which reminds me…
ladies when/if you go to a pole class…wear your heels and some SHOWTS…you need to know how the pole will feel when you’re really dancing on it (assuming that actualy performance is your ultimate goal) the SHOWTS will allow you to gauge the slide/swing ratio that your thighs will allow…and heels are standard pole dancing gear…barefoot pole dancing is just WRONG! Clampett much?
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
is that all you’re wearing? dig beneath the surface. do tell. i like colors too. splain? heh heh heh…
Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
@ GK, get a room…then join the corner with GOODENess!!!
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
manish aint i?
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
@ Miss P… GIRL…you trying to get me my conjugal visits huh? lol…if you see the corner rockin’, don’t come knockin’… ME and GK… in a CORNER…with a POLE… TOGETHER? MAN HOLD UP!!!
(insert T.O. impression) “Get your POPCORN READY!!!” lol
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
@Good. **covering my eyes** I am so not ready for the corner action.
KindredSmile Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
“bullet wound strip clubs are fun”
This definitely goes in the category of “hoodrat things to do with your friends”. I’ve never been to one, but clearly that needs to change.
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
yes clearly. in fact if we ever do a VSB cumin together. this will be on the itenerary. enjoy. go with some openminded girlfriends and or some chill cats. let us know how it felt.
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Well as a former gentleman’s club waitress, I have played around on the pole, and let me say it takes incredible upper body strength and precision to go all the way around. I think there is an awe about the pole. It’s like you have control over a room, men, your body. And spinning round the pole is sexxyy! And speaking of spinning round the pole, has anyone seen the King of Queens where Doug and Deacon put poles in the bedroom? And Carrie sucks at dancing and Doug shows her how to work the pole! HILARIOUS! Oh let me search for it on youtube…
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:45 am
While in New Orleans at a conference last summer myself and a group of women went into a Strip club just to see what the hoopla was. I have to agree those women are athletic. They were amazing, and some of them were even pretty and had great bodies. We walked out impressed with their pole action
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:45 am
yep funny shit. i like Lia Remini or whatever her name is. cute girl.
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“Panama’s Pole Postulation 1.2: If you put a pole in the middle of a room, 8 out of 10 women will either swing around it or touch the pole at some point.”
Swinging on a pole is fun, but it’s not that deep. If you put a set of nunchucks in a room, I bet 8 out of 10 men would try to pick them up and act like they know what to do with them. Does that mean most men want to be ninjas? Doubtful.
I will agree with the argument that most women want stripper skills, but that’s it.
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BigBuck Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Of course we all want to be ninjas! Do you actually know any men? Pay attention! We all want to be ninjas, superheroes, and porn stars. That is just the way it is!
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2Degreez Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Did you read beyond the word ninja? You’re totally missing the point. Pay attention.
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BigBuck Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I read the whole thing and I still think the point to take from that is that men do want to be ninjas and women do want to be strippers. Pay attention. <—–Mine
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
that’s just like all they read from one of my comments the other day was “2 tongue rings” I had some clever ish in that comment and it was all lost on teh mouth jewelry…but I agree with his royal BUCKness…ALL men want to be super-porn-ninjas…it’s that damn Y chromosome! They can’t help it!
BigBuck Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
“ALL men want to be super-porn-ninjas”
I would rock the hell out of a shirt that said Super-Porn-Ninja! LOL!
“Swinging on a pole is fun, but it’s not that deep. If you put a set of nunchucks in a room, I bet 8 out of 10 men would try to pick them up and act like they know what to do with them. Does that mean most men want to be ninjas? Doubtful.”
i’d definitely moonlight as a ninja if the pay was right, but i dont know if there’s much of a demand for ninja’s in pittsburgh. maybe i could ninja at the park at night by myself, but that would just seem too time-consuming.
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2Degreez Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:30 am
OK, Bruce Leroy.
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panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Right…hell, who WOULDN’T want to be a ninja. You’ve got to use a better example than that.
Hell, i’m all excited right now thinking about being freakin’ Jubei from Ninja Scrolls.
Ninja…hell yeah!
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2Degreez Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I was being sarcastic. The point is, just b/c a person wants certain abilities that another possesses doesn’t mean they want to do what they do for a living.
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Nut Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
You said ninja @ 2degreez they heard nothing else. They all want to be ninjas. lol
2Degreez Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I know, right? LOL
panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Dude…it’s ninjas!
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
so u wanna have stripper skills but you don’t want the job. u got private aspirations. strip on wit ya badd self. im feelin that. ima private person too not an exhibitionist. sep for that time at the bachelor party. nooooo im only kidding. privacy is the best for me at least.
i hate that we are having such a great topic on a monday when I am running on 4 hours of sleep since thrudsay nigt. I cant think of a damn thing to add. But I will say thatI am currently taking Jiggle It class (see:booty shaking) and it is real damn empowering.
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:35 am
there is a JIGGLE IT class? where you live? I wanna go to one of those! GET ME BODIED!
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Suga&Spice Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:38 am
I am in Atlanta. The class is AMAZING cardio and is only 15 bucks. The place is called PoleLateaz.(a play on pilates). They have everything pole dancing, chair dancing, jiggle it, strip tease class. You name it.
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:51 am
ok look all that cardio, strength traning and shit is ancillary, collateral at best when it comes to motivations for stripping and working the pole. (amateur or professional) ima take a survey next time i go to the strip club. …and yeah it may be 1 or 2 out of 10 (CIVILLIANS, non pro strippers) who do it primarily for exercise. stop frickin playing. LOL!
Nut Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I’m takin a jiggle it class!!! finally a class where my big ass is a asset!!!!!
BigBuck Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Are there really times (other than when purchasing airline tickets) in which a big ass is NOT an asset?
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:36 am
There’s alot of cardio in this too. I knew there were other fun ways to “keep it tight and right.”
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
u want cardio? Ride the SCREAM MACHINE! get ur tickets. LOL!
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
can I get a discount with a CocaCola can?
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
2 pepsi bottletops (not cans) AND a ticket stub from mo betta blues. this aint no average ride so we don’t accept average fare but believe me it’s sooooo worth it. there’s a dress code (literally) too so if u need to step into a nice lil sundress or something, first please do. taking it completely off is optional.
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
hot dam i love vsb women. very smart sistas. they’re either taking the shake club classes or interested in taking them. very progressive. shake on. i loves a private freak, im a private man. nobody wants to play (sexual sensual games) anymore and you sistas are getting letters in it. i can tell you who will graduate magna cum loudly and and such. (dammit im stuttering and shit) bet? SALUTE!
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
@ Genius, baby don’t stutter. Take your time and get it out accurately and succinctly. I’ll wait my turn in the line, if the ride is worth it there will be a line, it’s probably one of those rides that has a line long enough to have signs posted along the wait (one hour from this point).
How much for a season pass?
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
you are working your way to the V I P rope. keep talking to me like this and you will have the only season pass ever issued for this attraction. kiss urself.
Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
“hot dam i love vsb women. very smart sistas.” – I certainly don’t make the call on these things but I think Liz would have to agree that GK just earned himself a t-shirt here. So bros are you gonna rock this shirt or what?
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
@ Miss P~ I second that motion.
and Liz, I forgot to mention KUDOS on the upgrades to the site. You doin’ it!
BigBuck Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Of course I will rock that shirt! But you have to wear one that says “Split Mo-Blippy: Breakfast of Champions”!
Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
“Split Mo-Blippy: Breakfast of Champions”! – you’re a nut Big Buck. (that didn’t sound right, did it?) still, you’re a fool. …a lady wouldn’t wear that in the street now would she?
i will only wear the discreet t-shirts (with a few exceptions that i’d only sport in a dark club among strangers) i have very strange rules you see.
“Especially since I think that damn near every woman actually wants to be a stripper. Most just don’t have the proverbial balls to do so.” Not so, I believe that its our way of (yet again) pleasing men. We know you like it so in order to attract you we will gravitate to the pole.
On an0ther level I think this “pole philosophy” of yours is due more to the fact that as women we know that strippers are not at the hierarchal top of the socially acceptable roles in life, and because they’re job is something that we “shouldn’t” be doing and seen as socially unacceptable any chance some women get to dance on a pole they take. It’s like any taboo that you are told to stay away from since birth, the moment the opportunity presents itself in a public forum (where you are intoxicated and being edged on by a group of other intoxicated women), you dive right in to attempt your best stripper moves, it’s not that every women has a stripper in them but that we all want to try something at some point in our lives that we have been told is socially unacceptable.
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TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:50 am
I personally don’t think ITS ALL ABOUT a man for the same reasons women don’t put on their finest and sexiest gear to get a number.
Sometimes its nice to push the envelope. To kind of unleash that inner goddess. The Pussy Cat Lounge in vegas attracts tons of women too…those ladies turned a million dollar industry into really telling women that having control over your own sexuality is empowering. And its a tasteful non sleazy act.
to me getting a man with all this is secondary..I’ve never done the booty shaking class, but I imagine that it feels very good. The same for belly dancing. its great cardio. The primary reason was to find something that made ME FEEL GOOD while doing it. Showing my man the move when I got home was number 2 on my list.
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:05 am
I agree, its not always about a man…
It is empowering to have control over your sexuality especially since we are constantly told to hide it or ignore it. But I do believe that the majority of women that are doing it are doing it for men. The women that do it for empowerment are still in the minority
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
it should be more about how it makes you feel. don’t worry about me, im turned on knowing you’re turned on. so sexy.
Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
and it turns me on to know you’re turned on
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
well well a woman who aims to please and a man who brings the same. makes for a long week. eat your wheaties. im, passionate when it comes to the giving and indulgent when receiving… you greedy lil thang u. kiss urself.
I was at an event at Twelve Hotel (Atlantic Station) and they had some instructors from PoleLateaz there. As soon as the pole was erected (heh heh), the females in the room got antsy. LOL, there were mixed reactions: curiosity (me), disdain (the girl behind me), indifference, aggravation, and I think arousal (I gathered that she was in to chicks).
I think the appeal is similar to women who enjoy giving a BJ, women like rendering men powerless through their actions. Ya’ll are easy prey in that sense
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:54 am
render me…. heh, heh, heh. LOL!
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
im not turned out by head. i can count the ones who have been extra-ordinary on two fingers. (though many have tried) u got a lotta confidence in your helmet game girl. you’re always referencing how you can make a man do your bidding, reverse decisions and such. show me. head on, apply directly to the head. LOL!
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Wise Diva Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
erm, i am not/was not referencing my head game whatsoever. That was REALLY not the intent , b/c that ain’t my steelo (bragging on helmet game)
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
if you got it, you got it. no need to brag. (i feel ya.) i just read a confidence in ya when it cums to that. do u.
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
AAAAMEN!!! finding power in sex and all things associated with the connection…rendering indeed!
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Personally, I like standing by the pole or touching the pole because it is an all purpose object. You can lean against it, dance on it/with it, or you can use it for support when you are doing those “cute *hoochie*moves” but are not in shape to really do them like you could when you were 18. In summary, the pole is like the best seat in the house. It is usually in the middle of the dance floor and allows you to see the entire room.
I do not think all women have a secret stripper inside dying to come out. However, strippers are there to suduce, tease, entice and look sexy. What woman wouldn’t want those qualities?
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tiffany Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
“You can lean against it, dance on it/with it, or you can use it for support when you are doing those “cute *hoochie*moves” but are not in shape to really do them like you could when you were 18.”
if i had some wine in my mouth, it would have been all over my screen after reading this line.
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
@Tiffany. I just try to keep it real. I mean it’s cool to look sexy on the damn thing, but you know it has more meanings than just being a sex object.
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Elenda says: ” the pole is like the best seat in the house.” it dam sure is, when it’s mine. LOL
if i saw a cutie wearing that t shirt and some cute ass panties, i would develop an acute case of angry d***. head on apply directly to the head. LOL!
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
@GK. I’m convinced you are a hot mess.
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Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
@ gk. take a cold shower and then pop some of that xanax you’re always raving about… then get to the corner. now! pronto! vsb bros back me up on this one.
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genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
heh, heh, heh….
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BigBuck Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
You know I fucks wit ya GK, you do it for the people just like me! But I do think you may need to visit the corner for just a few minutes. Use this time to come up with even nastier thoughts, then hit ‘em again! LOL!
By the way “Kiss yourself”<——Most Pimpin catch phrase of ‘08
This concludes the “On GK’s nuts” portion of the show.
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
LMAO. Kiss yourself should definitely be on a shirt. I’m glad ya’ll do it for the people and that is why I keep coming back.
Wanting to strip and wanting to BE a stripper are two tangential yet different desires.
In fact, I already have the song that I wanna strip to once I finally get the guts to do it…in an intimate setting with my dude NOT in public, of course. I think the saying is lady in the street, freak in the sheets…and I’d like to keep it that way thank you very much! No square chick wants to get mistaken for a stripper EVER! So if, my standing next to a pole does that, I will keep 10 feet away from every stop sign, yield sign, lamp post, rake, and various other such phallic objects from now ON! My goodness.
By the way, the song is Willie Max – Can’t Get Enough. If you remember this song, you get a gold star.
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Monnie Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
LOL.
“Can’t Get Enough” and “T-shirt and Panties” were the songs that everybody use to grind to back in the day (in my area).
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Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
@Monnie, the offical stip song is contagious. Touch me baby…so contagious.. give me what you got. What ya’ll know about that?
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Treezy F. Baby Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Oh and I meant the slow version of the song cause there’s a fast version too. I also think quite a few R. Kelly songs make the cut too especially Slow Wind, Feeling On Your Booty and Seems Like You’re Ready.
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whatever. They don’t get a bum rap! I worked in a strip club for only 3 days, as a waitress. I saw F*CKING going on in the corners more than once. Those girls all looked pretty decent, and it was not considered a bottom of the barrel club. Men are up on some bullshit trying to convince their ladies that nothing inappropriate goes on there! For a few dollars you can put your fingers inside a stripper! I would have a MAJOR problem with my man going to a strip club. period.
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Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
yeh. i feel you. i had the advantage of having a lot of guy friends in college who told me exactly what they did in strip clubs. and what they did violates every rule of monogamy. they had oral sex, sex…no it’s not environment you want your special guy going to…
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GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
that stuff happens in mainstream clubs too…didn’t you read the post of the “strangest place”? it all boils down to whether or not you are comfy about your man passing on the fruit of temptation or taking an apple from God’s first daughter!
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Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
yeh i read the ’strangest place’ post but those sexual encounters were intentional and overt. what i’m referring to is the notion of getting your freak on in the strip club after convincing your girl that it’s ‘just a guys night out and not about sex’. that’s out right deceiving. i guess it all boils down to trust…but i’d rather my guy just watch porn and call it a day. if he wants a lap dance well that’s where strength training comes in. lol. btw…would any of the ladies take their guyto the strip club? not the guy you’re banging this week, but your bf?
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
take..yes…done it…the ex-husband and I used to go all the time…but alas…I typed EX-husband…lol
don giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
well, i assume that there is no trust between the two of you?? again, those things happen there, just like they happen in a night club, at work, a park or at a church!! are these things that will be crossed off of his acceptable places to go list because you think he isn’t able to control his desires or is it because you are scared that it isn’t you that he desires??
while in compound one night, i had a woman to say that she was extremely tipsy and asked for me to forgive her before she did what was on her mind. I took it as she was about to lose the alcohol she just put down, but she stuck her hands down my pants and led me by the d!ck to the ladies restroom and proceeded to give me some of the best oral sex i had experienced in some time!! she had told me that i was attractive and that she just had to have me!! and this was in a regular night club with a very beautiful woman!! her nickname is the bold and the beautiful and yes, i still keep her around for moments i may be in need!!
but to say that sexual encounters happen in strip clubs and nowhere else is slightly ridiculous and naive, or just blatant ignorance to what goes on around you!! i’m sure u have seen a car pull up next to you at a light and a woman has her head in the male drivers lap!! i can say for surely that she wasn’t taking a nap!!
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juli Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Don~ Actually my fiancee’, someone I had been with for 3 yrs, and I broke up 3 wks ago because he cheated on me AT THE GYM. I am certainly not unaware that people have sex everywhere. My point is, I have had plenty of guys try to convince me that “nothing” happens at strip clubs. I always believed it, until I worked in one.
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Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
so sorry juli. i hate stories like that. *virtual vsb hug*
Xquizzyt1 Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Right. And Chris Rock wrote a whole song about it… “There is no sex… in the Champagne Room” ahem, and you might believe that, if you’re naive. Riiiight up until you see “Diamond” turn back into Michelle, leaving the club out the back door in flip flops, sweatpants and a ponytail, talking to her son’s nanny on her iPhone to remind her that his fancy private school is having a field trip that day, while walking through the parking lot to get into her CLK and head towards Buckhead. Shiiiit. You gotta be reaaaaaal fly to make THAT much money on the pole alone (no pun intended).
Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
men have the ability to cheat anywhwere (as do women). and i certainly don’t believe it’s limited to one environment. i merely emphasized strip clubs because of its connection to today’s topic and why strippers get a bad rap etc. as far as putting this on a ‘do not go list’ for my guy…eh? depends on the guy, really. but honestly i don’t know alot of guys who go to the strip club to catch up on current events with their homeboys. the strip club “agenda” is usually not one that is condusive to fidelity.
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Don Giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
the strip club, or gentleman’s club, has always been the place where a man can go and get away from the stresses of life….its where men could go and do whatever, whether it be to smoke a cigar, have a cordial, get an ego massage, or have the company of an attractive woman in your presence!! A true “gentleman’s club” was a place for guys to go where the boys could be boys and talk about whatever they wanted to!! when i go with some friends, we have drinks and talk, sit and watch a game or whatever may be on tv, we may take our clients, or we just enjoy our time out away from our other halves (won’t say better because it isn’t always true). it’s not always about the naked chicks walking around, but we don’t deny that they are there!! now whether it is conducive to fidelity or not, is a different story, but what goes down in a strip club or adult entertainment club is what happens everywhere around the world….we enjoy our time away from the nagging of our women and i’ll say that it is more conducive to fidelity than a woman’s nagging is!!!
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
@Don. I agree totally with you. It all boils down to trust. Unless you plan on keeping the dude locked up in the house temptation is all around him. At least when he goes to a strip club he is prepared mentally and it doesn’t catch him off guard.
That “forgive me before I do what is on my mind” line sounds like it needed to be posted on the best pick up line topic a few posts back. **jotting it down in my notebook***
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I didn’t read the other comments cus I’m coming in late and I’m lazy. But…
Am I really in the majority when I say I respect the art of stripping. Not to be confused with working the champagne room, flinging one’s self around a pole to the beat is no easy task…So I’ve been told. *cough*cough* It’s hard work. Enough to break a sweat even when you aren’t wearing ‘plastics’ (that stripper lingo for clear shoes), or so I have read. I have been saying for years that those hoes, I mean ladies, need a union. They need benefits. They should not be on the pole for more than 15 minutes at a time. I need to write Obama about this. J/K
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TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
i think you need to read..cause you are NOT in the minority.
I think we need to have some Fredrick of Hollywood confessionals in the b$%#ch. Whose actually BOUGHT the highheels with the fuzzy boa toes…AND where can I GET THE CLEAR heels.
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Hostess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
If you are in the D/M/V, there’s a place out by Anne Arundel Mills that sells plastics and has classes…So I heard. I believe it’s called XPose Fitness. And I believe that it’s tucked in a strip mall and looks quite unassuming from the outside. Yeah, all this is what I heard cus I would nevuh-evuh…
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TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
like Columbia Mall?? i think i may have to do some research for VSB’s blog. And see whats going on and report back.
Hostess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
I heard it’s PAST Columbia Mall–Like in Odenton, right across from the Mills.
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Arundel Mills Mall!!!! near the saks outlet
GOODENess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
WOW…now Arundel Mills is hood…THAT is the place for a strip club!
panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
@GOODENess: I’m sorry, but what Arundel Mills do you go too b/c the one that I go to ain’t exactly hood. The one I go to has lots of white people and nice stores for the family.
Hostess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
It’s not a strip club. It’s more of a training ground. I said it’s supposedly called XPose Fitness. Emphasis on the fitness. Get your minds out of the gutter. I read about it in the uh, Post. Yeah in the Post.
BigBuck Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I would have to agree with Panama. Arundel Mills Mall is definitely not hood. They have a got damn Bass Pro Shop. What hood spot you know got a damn Bass Pro Shop?
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
mmmm hmmmm.
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
its FOR RESEARCH.
Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
the lengths we will go in the name of research. I for one am grateful. I salute you.
genius khan Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
mmmm hmmm. keep researching luv. may your wildest dreams cum true. respect. salute.
Elenda Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
@comeback. You can get the clear heels from the “every shoe is $9.99 -14.99 shoe stores in the hood.” If you ever visit the A, it’s one in the Kroger shopping plaza across from Greenbriar Mall. But please get your size and don’t let your toes hang over the front.
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
HBO did a documentary about a woman that was trying to unionize the strippers and other sex industry workers in San Francisco ( I think it was SF), anyway it was a great story. I sympathized for many of the women and their unique stories. It was eye opening to see just how hard they work
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Hostess Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
If I wasn’t afraid of the Hoffa affect, I would head up the charge on the East Coast. But I am from Detroit and I know better than to go messing with unions. I don’t want to wind up sleeping with the fish!
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I hear ya with both ears. There is a reason certain industries aren’t unionized. Cause the made men don’t play
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
“Cause the made men don’t play”
at least not during the light of day and while congress is in session.
one famous madam just went sleeping with the fishes (vis a vie her own noose) after all her congressional johns sent her up the river without a paddle. I still think someone should pay for this.
Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
“at least not during the light of day and while congress is in session.”
I live between you big made men states… trust me when I tell you the light of day is irrelevant. They work 24/7~365. Congress don’t work as hard as they do.
TheComebackGirl Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
true…that means they must be tired cause they’re all really one and the same.
Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
that should read I live between two big made men states
Miss Patterson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
I saw this documentary too…Really interesting piece. Those women were pioneers in attaining rights for alot of women in ‘clubs’. You’re right it took place in San Fran…the doc is titled ‘Live Nude Girls Unite!”
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I am turning my phone off and heading home before my Drought & Sleep Deprivation Goggles have me responding to these damn text messages I am getting.
Good Night Good People of VSB.
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I can’t even lie…the pole fascinates me…and I am considering going to a pole class when I visit Vegas in a couple of weeks…but um, we shall see.
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panamajackson Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
You betta get on that pole, girl!
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don giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
i have a portable one in the trunk of my car if you need to borrow it…i’m all about assisting and giving you positive feedback if you need it!!
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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
whoa! how far will you travel with the pole?
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don giovanni Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
metro atlanta only (within 285)!! Gas prices are toooooo high!!
Tallgent Reply:
June 16th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
How far have you traveled for some pole?
There’s an allure to the pole and stripping. In that way, I guess most women are attracted to it. It’s fun to let the bad girl out once in a while:) I can’t think of a good equivalent for men though….
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I haven’t read the 6,897, 989 comments, and I know I’m not THAT original, so pardon what I’m certain will be a repeat of some other comments. But:
LOL I agree with you – but will correct you on one point.
Women, whether they will admit it or not, admire strippers and their abilities. Women might rant and rave about how strippers have no self-esteem and are whores, etc. and how they WOULD never (more like “COULD never”) but at the same time will sign themselves and all their girlfriends up for “pole dancing classes” for fun and “treat” their significant others to their version of a lapdance. Women admire the women’s bodies (in some instances) and what they can do with them, despite what they may say.
That’s one type of woman.
Another type enjoys the female strip club as much as her man and likes nothing more than an alcohol-soaked night at the Pink Pussycat Lounge, throwing singles on stage and screaming and yelling and treating each other to lap dances.
I, for one, fall into neither category.
While I admit that I watch strippers with a mixture of admiration and awe at the things they are able to do with the human body (I mean who was the first person to discover you could do THAT with a cigarette, a beer bottle and 3 ping-pong balls!!!??) I don’t judge them, pretend to know their situations and believe they’re all whores. I am the first to admit that if I had the body I had a few years ago, I wouldn’t be above “Open Pole Night” at the Kitty Kat Klub. But I do believe that to do it as a career would kill my spirit.
So yeah, I’m amused by stripper antics, but not necessarily enough to sit in an audience, throwing my hard-earned cash on stage. If a stripper and her contortions, finds her way into my living room by way of my television screen, I’m amazed and amused and will tilt my head in awe. But I have been to a couple of clubs and let’s say – if I never go back, I’ve gotten the idea.
That being said, the only thing that prevents me from openly aspiring to be a stripper – though I would clearly label myself as an “Inspirational Terpsechorean,” would be the germ issue. Which is where my correction comes in. I, would be the first to admit that I admire the bodies (of SOME… because when it comes to tits and ass, the kid is no slouch) and abilities of a stripper, I would NOT go around just touching random poles – Lord only knows what has slid down that thing!!!! LOL
But yeah, you’re right, some women are full of shit, they talk about how whorish and horrible it is but are the first to sign up to do it on weekends with their girls to get in shape. =)
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i’m still tryna hit up amateur nite
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