ho, ho, ho

I define “ho” as someone who consistently has sex with a myriad of partners with no established connection or relationship or who uses sex as a bargaining tool for material especially or emotional (sometimes) gain.
and it is important only because the more s.e.xual partners a person has the more at risk for disease that person is but if its past behavior and all tests have come back clean…

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overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:37 am

I agree. Howeish tendencies in themselves can stem from victimization, being molested, low self esteem, and a host of other reasons-and a lot of it has to do with the mysoginist, male dominated, s*x obsessed culture we live in. Women have been led to believe they have to step out of character and engage in all sorts of f***ery to be loved, even if for a night. It is my firm belief that no woman, if given a choice, would choose to be in a casual sexual relationship, that will never amount to anything more. There are legions of empty, broken, depressed women out there because they thought they could sleep their way to happily ever after. The porn industry, music videos, unrealistic standards of beauty and Hollywood culture are all part of the larger machine of self hatred.

I cannot tell you how many girls I know who thought that all they had to do was be a down arse chick, until the side effects of guilt and feelings of worthlessness all but consumed them and sets them on a vicious cycle (exluding reformed howes). This to me is a sign that h*-dom is not for us ladies.

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eff yo couch Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:27 am

“The porn industry. . . are all part of the larger machine of self hatred. ”

Porn is apart of self hatred. When males watch it, they literally beat themselves up. If that ain’t self hatred, I don’t know what is

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

P*rn is apart of self hatred. When males watch it, they literally beat themselves up. If that ain’t self hatred, I don’t know what is

**snickering**

kamakula Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

actually, they beat themselves down

Monk Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

Ironically, it’s self love also.

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:00 am

It is my firm belief that no woman, if given a choice, would choose to be in a casual sexual relationship, that will never amount to anything more

I am agreeing with everything u said but this… I know plenty of women who would have casual s*xual relationships, but maybe don’t do it cuz they don’t want to be labeled a “ho”…

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Jen Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:21 am

So truuuue. Every word.

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ladebelle Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 7:51 am

this is a great definition!!!

i definitely agree with the “uses sex as a bargaining tool for material especially or emotional gain”… you’s a hoooooooooo HOOOOOOOOOO….

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now that I think about it there are some acts that also “can” in certain situations be defined as a “hotivity”
s.e.x on tape ( only if said tape is released publicly)
multiple partner s.e.xespecially anthing that could be considered being “put on the house” “tag team” or a “train”
anal…(this iffy its not a general consensus but most of the time it holds true)
anytime spent as a stripper, prostitute or escort
Frequent use of Ronnie “ho quotes”

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Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:23 am

Dayum!!! how you gone moderate the word “h.o” in a post about whores?

now that I think about it there are some acts that also “can” in certain situations be defined as a “hotivity”
s.e. x on tape ( only if said tape is released publicly)
multiple partner s.e. x especially anthing that could be considered being “put on the house” “tag team” or a “train”
anal…(this iffy its not a general consensus but most of the time it holds true)
anytime spent as a stripper, prostitute or escort
Frequent use of Ronnie “h* quotes”especially if you use them as your signature on email or cell phone texts

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Naturally Alise (Office Edition) Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

so bc you have an a**hole ex that puts your tape/pictures or whatever out there that determines your ho-status?

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shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

so bc you have an a**hole ex that puts your tape/pictures or whatever out there that determines your ho-status?

honestly I was just joking with this list..but truthfully you will probably be judged as one, right or wrong.. see Kim Kardashian

Naturally Alise (Office Edition) Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

got ya.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

“an*l” is ho-like behavior?

damn, there goes my weekend foreplay

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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

were you going to use the beads again? use lube with them this time and ….

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this is always hard to spell out clearly.
I do not think the number of people you slept with makes you a ho (or any derivative of the word).
I do not think that doing certain sexual acts makes you a ho.
I think it all comes down to the person’s mindset when they’re doing those things. Like if you’re letting the football team splack in your hair and call you names and video tape it for the guys who missed it because you want them to like you, well you might be a ho (albeit a sad one). Then again, maybe you just like group sex, talking dirty, and being on camera. I dunno. Who am I to judge?

I overheard a convo once where a couple was talking about some chick who had sex with 5 guys. she was 25. They were judging her something serious and basically called her a ho. I was sitting at the next table like “Really?” I point this out to show that what some people consider to be ho activity, others don’t. I certainly don’t think 5 at 25 is problematic. But I guess when you started makes a difference to some people. *shrug*

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Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:25 am

…I disagree…sorry even if you do it because you like it and go into it willingly.. you are going into being a h.o. willingly.. not twisting the definition and making it your own. There is no way to gain power in H.O. Dom.. I think thats part of the problem with our society now.. aint no pride in being a H.O…….LOL that should be a new PSA slogan

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LisaAngelaPamelaRenee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:27 am

that was an extreme example, but I’m not going to judge someone else’s sexual preferences just because I’m not into that particular thing.

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postmodern pwnage Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:39 am

I agree lisa angela. People are just into sexual things that mainstream society doesnt understand, so they need to label them. What is wrong if your into group sex? As long as you are mentally fit to deal with those situations, then do you i say!

Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:51 am

mainstream society doesnt understand

this is usually the excuse when a label fits.

but hey I am a prude and I have to live with that title..

postmodern pwnage Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:01 am

its not an excuse, but a reality. Whether or not society should understand and condone it is up for debate. The fact that we are even having this debate demonstrates my point. Why does the sexual actions of grown individuals concern individuals who have no part in it? Maybe if we stopped being judgemental to those individuals, the rate of std infections would decrease. It did in europe! …

I definitely understand your position, and dont think anyone should force you to respect what you call a ‘hoe’. That is your right. But just as society accepts prudes, cant we also accept the ‘hoes’?

Maybe if it wasnt these people werent viewed so negatively, people would be more forthcoming with their past sexual behaviours. Pretending that theyre abnormal,sluts, evil, etc, wont make the problem of STDs or underage pregancies go away I think. Just means we hide it better, indulge in risque activities behind closed doors, while pointing our fingers at the ones who have the honesty to admit they love sex.

Not that it matters, but I dont think you are a prude, and definitely understand your position.

Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:17 am

But just as society accepts prudes, cant we also accept the ‘hoes’?

Society accepts and condemns both

but

Pretending that theyre abnormal,sluts, evil, etc, wont make the problem of STDs or underage pregancies go away

I dont think we should paint it as evil or abnormal true

but glorification of sluttacious behavior plays a big part in the social issues plaguing our society as does not being opena and honest about s.e.x period.
I dont think we should be close minded and I dont feel that every one should be abstinent but I dont believe we should defend or glorify promiscuity.

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:42 am

I disagree w/ u hear ms shady lady. i dont feel that society is glorifying h.o. actions taken by women. The fact that there is such a stigma around these actions are part of the social issues that plague our society.

Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

LOL the stigma is only attached in these type conversations when we get to the labels.. but in most general circumstances and conversations that shyt is acceptable. The label is not but the actions for sure are glorified

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K-Swiss Reply:
October 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm

Sorry to break it to you but being a whore hasn’t a dayum thing to do with catching an STD. You can learn that from the folks that catch STDs daily from their husbands and long term mates!

STDs is purely about WHO you sleep with, not how many. You can sleep with the same joker for 20 years and catch an STD. Trust, I know of 3 married folks that died from AIDS from their hubbies. I also know of people getting other (including incurable) STDs from long term mates..talking been together 7-8 years. If you’re screwing unprotected or even with a condom since they aren’t 100% effective you can always catch a std or get prego! Anyway, I digress.

The term “hoe” or whatever else you call it is sooo subjective. What is the magic number that makes someone a hoe..is it 5 partners, double digit partners, how many partners one has in a year, month, week? What if I sleep with 4 guys in one week and then get boo’d up with one and stay with him and only him for the next 10 years..am I whore now?

Unless someone is a virgin or has only slept with the person they are MARRIED to, they should never call someone a whore because its subjective. That woman that married her first boyfriend at 18 and has never been with another man in 30 years would probably call 90% of the people on this list whores lol..

Jen Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:02 am

You’re gonna hurt people’s feelings telling all this truth.

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overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:46 am

Aint No Pride In Being A H.O. should be a bumper sticker, a fridge magnet, a t-shirt, and possibly a collector’s edition mug.

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DAYUM Moderation!!!!!

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lastly, should any of this even matter? as long as consenting adults are mutually partaking in this behavior, why should anyone even care how many hundreds of thousands of consenting adults a person has practiced this behavior with?

generally i try to be non-judgmental about ppl’s personal/intimate choices. so i want to say it doesn’t/shouldn’t matter what other people do in behind closed doors, on kitchen tables, against refrigerators, in whirpools, on car hoods, etc–that’s they business. however, when i do hear about the details of ho-ish extracurricular activities, it causes me to pause and give a side eye. admittedly, i can be a bit prude at times and i’d just rather not know about ppl’s indiscriminate boning. with diseases and unwanted pregnancies running rampant, it just seems unwise to not exercise more s3xual discretion.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

i skimmed through this and thought you said “in refrigerators”, lol. i dont know how much fun that would be

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Gem of the Ocean Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

everybody has their kinky preferences. against, in, on, next to–to each his own.

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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

@ Champ, in order for it to be fun you woudl have to take everything out and honestly that just doesnt make it spontaneous anymore

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People of VSB let’s stop being PC a moment. It doesn’t take a scientist to understand what a whore is. Superhead is a whore. Kim Kardasian is a whore. Paris Hilton is a Whore. Most of the NFL and NBA plays are whores…You get the picture right. Okay good…

Anyway my definition of a whore is a sexually undisciplined individual. This person lets anything and everything inside of them (or for men they screw anything that breaths oxygen). Whores usually have no standards, low self esteem, and they fail to take the time to vet the individual they plan to be sexually involved with. Sadly people are so delusional that they believe being a cum deposit is actually liberating. Honestly if you can’t remember the names of your sexual partners, there is a high probability that you are a whore. Sadly even nice girls can be whores too. Not every guy you date should be allowed to bust a nut inside of you. I mean come on. It’s pretty foul in my opinion (and no I’m not a sexual prude but damn sometimes it’s cool to just chill the hell out and not sex up everyone you date). An occasional freaky encounter doesn’t make someone a whore but if someone constantly hooks up with strangers then well you just might be a whore.

Oh and if you fuck someone for monetary gain…well you are a whore. That means you gold diggers LOL.

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Dorian G. Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:53 am

Wait wait wait. I’ve had this discussion with a few other people, and I just want to clarify, what makes Kim Kardashian a whore?

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kaliber Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am

I was thinking this too when I read it. i’d say she doesnt pick the best partners for on screen video time — but according to gossip blogs she stays in long term monogamous relationships. that be the opposite of the lecture at hand, right?

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AkShone Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:23 am

I was going to ask the exact same question, Dorian. I always hear women call KK a “garden tool”, but I don’t see why. What has she done that any other woman in love with her boyfriend hasn’t done…it just got out to the public.

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Treasure Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:40 am

I don’t think Kim Kardashian a whore…I think Ray J is an a**hole to say the least and what he did by putting that tape out was very low. I think that Kim got labeled unfairly because of something she did with a man who was her SO at the time.

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chaoticdiva Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

Her boyfriend, Reggie Bush is though…lmao!

Gem of the Ocean Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

poor Reg from the ‘nina’. he was whorish even back in high school. he can’t help it.

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

I dont think Kim is a whore.. ray j definitely is but I think she agreed to put the tape out.. for whatever reason…..

V Renee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:57 am

I don’t think she’s a h* e either. I THINK people are quick to throw the label on her because she’s pretty…..and has black boyfriends. hehehe.

No but seriously, I really don’t understand the hostility towards her. Now Superhead is DEF. a whore, slut, slore and whatever else name you can come up with.

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MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

I approve this entire message.

Monk Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

I think a lot of women just hate on Kim with no valid reason. Beyonce falls into this category also unfortunately.

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am

“Superhead is a whore. Kim Kardasian is a whore. Paris Hilton is a Whore. Most of the NFL and NBA plays are whores…You get the picture right. Okay good…”

well I like Karrine and I like Kim (even as their lists um intersect at times lol). I find it puzzling though that we as women can name off the bat ho!es that will go down in the hoe down hall of fame.

but…we speak in generalities when it comes to men..most people can only name that guy that played basketball (whats his name).

I do understand that women should have higher standards, and while I don’t consider myself a past or present hoe. I have made one or two ho-ish decisions in my day..fortunately or unforunately… most of us don’t get book deals and reality shows to make some lemonade out of shyt.

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overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:22 am

This could be because we have higher expectations for women than men.

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8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am

“well I like Karrine..”

Why? And I’m sincerely asking, not being snarky.

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

“Why? And I’m sincerely asking, not being snarky”

there are actually alot of reasons, namely I’ve never been a bandwagon person so when someone is being demonized, i wanna find out why and then form my own conclusions. On top of which, i have a soft spot for comebacks. She used the industry, just as it used her to carve out her own little empire. It speaks to the possibilities and her own search for redemption.

I’ve also happened accidently upon a little bookstore she was speaking at. And I was impressed at her hutzpah. Honestly I dont think she;s really ready to start counseling women on being in solid relationships. But she has a story to tell about fyck ups, do-overs, and her little lemonade stand and i respect that.

and like i told Alise everybody’s got their something (wk cite N. Costa), some people disclose while other people get amnesia.

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Yeah but she clearly had esteem issues. This is my point. For many women, they don’t just grow up in a loving two parent home where everything is hunky dory then wanna engage in hotivity on some howe-hum shyt. For supahead to say she had to go down on a guy until her nose bled, THAT is beyond howetovity. This is abuse and should not be glorified.

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

And what do we say about the woman who did grow up in a loving two family home and is still a shmeeze?

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

lol peyso, i am not saying there is a fool proof way to avoid birthing and raising a child only for them to major in howetology. all i am saying is that the chances of your daughter not giving a guy head until her nose bleeds are higher if she h as two parents who love her, a FATHER who schools her but also loves her unconditionally, and other developmental shyt.

The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

“lol peyso, i am not saying there is a fool proof way to avoid birthing and raising a child only for them to major in howetology. all i am saying is that the chances of your daughter not giving a guy head until her nose bleeds are higher if she h as two parents who love her, a FATHER who schools her but also loves her unconditionally, and other developmental shyt.”

i would tend to agree with parts of this. Fathers and Mothers are an ideal part of a home. But a woman doesn’t JUST get an indication of how to love and be loved by her daddy’s own unconditional love. I think it also revolves around how that mother and father unit functions as the expression of “romantic love”.

Some of Karrine’s tragedy had MUCH more to do with the way her own mother saw herself. A father’s mere presence and “love” does not guarantee that she won’t be writing “video vixen tell alls”.

there’s alot of things that fyck women children up, lack of a father is ONLY one. The combination of lack of a mother, father, frames of reference for relationships etc…does the trick much quicker.

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

i just wanna know what we gonna call the person who grows up the “right” way and still acts like a h.o. is he/she still a h.o.? or will think of excuses for them too?

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

there’s alot of things that fyck women children up, lack of a father is ONLY one. The combination of lack of a mother, father, frames of reference for relationships etc…does the trick much quicker.

this is why i also included “other developmental shyt”.

MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

But why do people say it is glorified?? What can it be construed as a warning tale?

People are so quick to judge without even listening, especially our own brethren. I heard talk on her (then) boyfriend’s show and she had something to say. When the male rappers use that industry we call it “freedom of speech, art”, when it’s a woman taking advantage of her misfortunes in that same environment, she’s labeled a ho?

That particular story always riles me up.

chaoticdiva Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

That’s why at the end of her book she went back to f*cking random people (like Usher) after she said she was done with all that?

My friend, she needs Jesus.

The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

@ over it and chaotic

im not disputing the fact that the woman is flawed. hell im supposed to be on a diet and i ate a cupcake two days ago.

hip hop made her…so why does she have to go to the cross alone to atone for every single one of its social ills.

not fair.

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

I think she woulda been a shmeeze w/ or w/o hip hop

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

CG, trust i thought they was all nasty, but i was not surprised that what they glorify in the music is lived out before and after the video shoot.

Gem of the Ocean Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

lmao @ “hell im supposed to be on a diet and i ate a cupcake two days ago.”

girrrrl let’s not even talk about not sticking to diet plans. *smh*

MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm

Again, I reiterate my faith in the Divine SisterHood.

I heart both Kim and Karrine. And I am tired of women calling other women the same names they complain about constantly.

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

“I heart both Kim and Karrine. And I am tired of women calling other women the same names they complain about constantly”

i just wanna marinate all up in this message days upon days on end.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

“nice girls can be whores too”

definite t-shirt

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shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

“nice girls can be whores too”

LOL true and thats often why they are whores.. ..being way to nice and giving

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I hate the whole I dont want to judge.. I dont think its judging. personal responsibility requires that you take responsibility for your actions. if you choose to not use discretion and participate in h-o-tivities you cant get all defensive when the topic comes up. I dont think we should condone it. Have I done some random f*cking in my past, yes? if I have to deal with the h.o label because of it guess what? that goes with the territory of random f$ckery…..
so if you are 28 and have you have had s.e.x with 40 guys.. I dont care how you add it up
the math on that one equals h.o
if you ever f.cked for money, food, cafeteria bucks, free entrance into all the good parties, a parking spot, job, free cheese onyour krystals (.20 per burger?) an upsize, a car, a ring, to make a dude love you, rent, so you wont get put out, cause you didnt make pay out, cause you wanted to go eat filet mignon, for a refinance, down payment etc.
you are probably or have been at some point a h.o… or participating in a h.otivity

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Gem of the Ocean Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:15 am

calling a spade a spade (read: ho) is one thing. you are what you are, and perhaps what you eat? and i agree with you, judging behaviors is acceptable, esp if you find the behavior unacceptable and irresponsible. but judging the whole person based on their sexcapades is another situation, which i try to avoid. being a ho doesn’t necessarily explain all there is to know about a person. find out other facts about the ho and THEN judge. he steals too?? klepto ho. she’s gay?? lesbo ho. stank personality with a face to match?? ugmo ho. i’m just advocating for well informed, equal opportunity judging, that’s all.

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Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:19 am

but judging the whole person based on their sexcapades is another situation, which i try to avoid

I feel you on that and I agree totally, you cant or shouldnt define anyone based solely upon their s.e.xual behavior

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Treasure Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am

Yeah I agree because what is a whorish sexual act to one person is just good kinky fun to another. And so that is unfair to call a man or woman a whore because they enjoy something that you don’t.

PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

“he steals too?? klepto ho. she’s gay?? lesbo ho. stank personality with a face to match?? ugmo ho. “

Hilarious! I almost interrupted naptime up in this piece!! ROTFLMAO!!

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Gem of the Ocean Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

don’t wake ‘em up now LOL. kids – naptime = cranky whiners

IVR Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

“if you ever f.cked for money, food, cafeteria bucks, free entrance into all the good parties, a parking spot, job, free cheese onyour krystals (.20 per burger?) an upsize, a car, a ring, to make a dude love you, rent, so you wont get put out, cause you didnt make pay out, cause you wanted to go eat filet mignon, for a refinance, down payment etc”

Please let me know where the ones fukken for parking spots are . . . I got a REAL good one outside that im vacating in approximately 28 minutes.

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

CTFU!!!!

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Champ, you almost got us on this one: “you’re a ho if the # of your sex partners exceeds the # of your friends.”

Hah! Bet you think yo clever azz is exempt! Your 1,999 MySpace, Facebook, and VSB friends you’ve never actually met don’t count.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

***burrowing head in sand***

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Another side note, I found that the women who clowned other women for being ho’s were the same chicks I would pass in the men’s dorm halls at 3am sneakng out, projection is a bytch, “ol’ defense mechanism looking gals” ….. now i am going to bed for real…

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MsSula Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:00 am

Amen!!

Usually people with a judgemental attitude are often a bit repressed and most of the time sexually challenged…

Besides, what do I care if s/he is a hoe? As long as, I take care of mine?

The type I don’t like though? Attention whores.

Worst.breed.of.hoes.ever!

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good morning vsb people..

now let’s see hoe vs non hoe

I do believe we as women don’t have 2 be a hoe 2 hoe-like tendencies.

I’m sure all grown ups have done something smutty in their existence that they’d rather not have repeated 2 their parents.

I know I have.

I’ll be back I’m going back 2 sleep 2 ponder this some more

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

welcome and sh*t (i think)

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A ho to me is somebody doing something (anything, it doesn’t even have to be sexual) because s/he thinks and/or believes it will make him/her more attractive/interesting/fun to other people.

Now that’s a hoe.

Someone who’s doing something for fun with their own conviction and to explore? That’s a grown up making their own choices.

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V.E.G. Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:19 am

agreed.

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eff yo couch Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am

“Someone who’s doing something for fun with their own conviction and to explore? That’s a grown up making their own choices.”

So if your best friend slept with your man because
she wanted to do something fun and explore his body, you wouldn’t labler her a ho?

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Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:14 am

good point

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V.E.G. Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am

I would label her “stank b!tch who needs her a$$ kicked”

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overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am

In addition, a ho can be not knowing your baby daddy. We are not animals. Leatherback turtles do not know who impregnated them. If you don’t know your baby’s father, you are trife, I don’t care. The Maury Show stage is the headquarters of howedom.

V.E.G. Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am

I agree fully with this. The woman who I mentioned in a post below, on the surface in ‘not’ a ho cuz she’s only had 5 men. BUT she’s sleeping with 3 dudes at once at got pregnant. Didn’t know who the father was.

So…yeah.

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

I agree V.E.G. That is howe pathology.

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

number is not an absolute .. h-e-ll my number is closer to 5 than 10 but like I said before… I racked most of them up in a very short time period.. …h.o shyt is h.o shyt….on and below the surface

V Renee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

“In addition, a ho can be not knowing your baby daddy. ”

And this is primarily one of the reasons that I think woman are able to be labeled as h*es more easily than men…..because we have the ability to become pregnant. I believe this is the reason that many double standards exist.

PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Thanks, V Renee. What you stated here is what I meant when I posted this:

“Women always give up more. And before society started labeling, judging and legislating s3xuality, we gave up more simply do to our physiological make-up. We literally are impaled by the will of men and then end up spilling our guts behind it.”

blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am

co-sign

she would get ‘touched in the head’– tiger crane style

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

I would label her “stank b!tch who needs her a$$ kicked”

LMAO me too. v.e.g and also? a h.o

MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Then we’ll have to redefine the term “best friend” and “my man”…

It’s that simple. Labeling her or him a hoe won’t make what happened disappear. It’s that simple.

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IVR Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:52 pm

“Someone who’s doing something for fun with their own conviction and to explore? That’s a grown up making their own choices.”

A grown up hoe . . . LoL . . jk

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I don’t know about all this.

Unless it is directly effecting me & mine, I like to stay out of other folks’ business. And I definitely require that folks stay out of my grown-azz business.

With that being said, in my mind, Howe-dom has more to do with quality than quantity. I have a bigger problem with a dude/chick knowingly effin’ a married person for a year than I do with that dude/chick effin’ 8 people in that same 12 month time span.

But that’s only in my mind. In the real world, who gives a fluck?

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ladebelle Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 7:57 am

i like this definition…

but like the person who’s sexin the married person is a ho? y not the married person sexin the single person be a ho? they’re the one with the commitments…

also, since will and jada smith have sex outside their marriage, does that make them hoe’s?

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 8:58 am

“but like the person who’s sexin the married person is a ho? y not the married person sexin the single person be a ho? they’re the one with the commitments…”

They both are. lol

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PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

Yes, they both are. But does morality and society n’ shyt dictate that there be DEGREES of Howe-dom? Is the married person more of a howe than their single side-piece??

The details are killin’ me. That’s why I just try to attend to my own diddlin’s and leave others to their own.

Dom Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

I think that just makes them a little freaky. At least they have an arrangement and its within the norm for their marriage.

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overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

PBG, I agree. There are so many variables we can be here all day. You can be a virgin til you get married, then sleep with your man’s boy and that might be labeled howe behavior.

My whole view is that I think many women give up more than men, emotionally, spiritually and mentally, and a lot of women do not factor in their worth when choosing who to bed.

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PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Women always give up more. And before society started labeling, judging and legislating s3xuality, we gave up more simply do to our physiological make-up. We literally are impaled by the will of men and then end up spilling our guts behind it.

I still love being a girl, though.

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PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

do=due. my homophones be off sometimes, shawty.

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

We literally are impaled by the will of men and then end up spilling our guts behind it.

Hey PBG
I usually agree with almost everything u say but I don’t agree with this… i think this right here is the heart of what’s wrong with the double standard. Men being socialized to be heartless, self-serving, immature, and irresponsible is not the physiological burden of womanhood… that’s how it’s been because people have been ignorant and have lived in darkness. i have this convo w/ my BD all the time cuz he has some old school concepts about life. But people are still evolving… women’s lib happened because it needed to. the feminine principle is just as necessary in the cycle of life as the masculine. When we are out of balance life does what’s necessary to bring us back where we need to be. I truly think that our daughters will enjoy more equanimity and harmony in their relationships because it’s necessary for the survival of our species that people get it together. ok. back off the soapbox

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Oh… and if anybody is looking for a book that will provide a lot of clarity on some of our ills please read A New Earth by Ekhart Tolle… it’s the truth.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

thing is, pgh muse, how much of this is socialization, and how much is just biology?

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

ummm… Men and women are definitely different and bring different qualities to the the species. That’s why god created both of us… but the thing is that that which is feminine and women in general get the short end of the stick because of the Male dominence in our civilization. This is problematic bcuz the attributes that are associated with masculinity unchecked can cause the downfall of civilization, if there is nothing to balance that – bring in the feminine. it can’t be a “female world order” either… there has to be a balance in order for humanity to be right with the earth. I’m not saying that men and women are the same, I’m saying that the male and female have to be equally valued. One is not superior to the other.

PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

I was actually referring to physically being a woman, the mechanics of the s3x act and subsequent birth.

And I am not a feminist, just to put “me” in perspective for you. But I do respect you and yo’ thang, Ms. Muse.

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

Hey PBG

I hear you. And i appreciate everything you said, but i am a feminist, and I LOOOVE men, and will submit to mine when he is right. Cause men are awesome, but I also love myself and think that women are amazing, beautiful creatures. I think that motherhood is the cornerstone of civilizations and it should be respected and celebrated. I don’t think that it should be looked upon societally as a burden. If noone had babies then there would be no people… Damian Marley said that Motherhood is sacred and he is right. If a girl child is abused, degraded, and taught that she “ain’t shat” what kind of mother will she be. She’ll be the kind of mother that beats the sh*t out of her kids, and cusses them out using the ‘F” word, let’s them walk by themselves as toddlers down busy streets while she is on the cell phone, feeds them oodles of noodles for breakfast, lunch and dinner… among other evils. I’m a feminist cause I believe in women and in motherhood. Not knocking men and fathers cause they support the mother’s work… but in nature a mother knows her role, so why don’t we? In nature a mother will hunt for and protect her babies… why don’t we?

Gem of the Ocean Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

powerful message.

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

I LOVE IT…
we have power and we give that power up by allowing ourselves to be used and abused and trying to front like its what we want. Its not if it was this conversation wouldnt have made so many people uncomfortable. When is the last time you felt discomfort about a decision you made that you were truly proud of?

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Unless it is directly effecting me & mine, I like to stay out of other folks’ business.

I see your point, but I think that this mentality also screws ppl over. There are plenty of stable men and women out there who could guide parentless children, volunteer their time at a local boys and girls club, mentoring does work. This is contributing to the fracture in our own communities. Black folk who do well for themselves move away and those who do not have the same opportunities stay in their hoods. If more upwardly mobile brothers and sisters thought to reach down and try to lift somebody, maybe it would help.

Ok, i’m done for today!

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

I see your point, but I think that this mentality also screws ppl over. There are plenty of stable men and women out there who could guide parentless children, volunteer their time at a local boys and girls club, mentoring does work. This is contributing to the fracture in our own communities.

although incredibly off-topic, this was an applause worthy comment

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PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

I was referring to grown folks. I’d check a kid in a minute. I do it in my personal life as a mom and professional as someone who works w/very young children (and their very young parents, most of the time).

But yeah, you have a real point. Each one teach one n’ shyt.

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Luvvie Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

MESSAGE!!

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MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

I agree with that PBG. That whole putting my mouth into other grown, sane individuals is an exercise that I refuse to engage in.

I figure this is why the good Lord allotted each one of us his/her own.

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If you ever had sex with more than one person in the same day without it being a menage, you were in the act of ho-dom. I know this gets a lot of people, especially in college.

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 8:56 am

What about back to back days of the week?
Like one guy on Monday, another guy on Tuesday?
How does that stack up?

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eff yo couch Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:22 am

This action is termed “dirty d!cking” a chick, but that only if you do both of them raw.

*holds head in shame again*

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Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:19 am

I’ll walk you to the clinic dawg

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No More Heroes Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

I’ll voluntarily go with him.

blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

he’s admitted being in my clinic… i’ll have the receptionist get his chart ready…

eff yo couch Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

That was back in the day when I did that and I get test twice at year at that clinic.

Speaking of receptionist, if I wasn’t a faithful dude, I would seriously put a hurting to that one fine ass receptionist that works at your job. She can pull my “chart” any day of the week. Holla!

ps – yall need to get a PSA new tape for people to watch up in there. That PSA is like 10 years old. It’s bad enough that yall make ninjas waste half the day up in there, at least give us some entertainment. I was tempted to slide a porno movie in the VCR, but being that’s a clinic that would have been kind of inappropriate. Oh well there’s always April Fools. lol

blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

that waiting room does look like its hellish… *looks bemused*

I’m reading all your comments. And to them I say:

Oh puh-leeze.

Opinions and judgements are like booty-holes: We all have them and they all stink. We can’t avoid making judgements or being judged.

What makes someone a ho is not what they do, how long they wait to do it, or how much change they collect on the way.

The only thing that matters is who knows about it.

I’ve done some totally trampy things in my lifetime: 3-some, 4-some and then some, but I am still treated like the “good girl” that I project myself to be (and am, dangit!). Why? Because I don’t shyt where I eat, and I don’t do friends. I had my v-card until I hit college. I’m known to be a prude (why, I have no idea. Must be the glasses.) Unless you were there or I told you in detail, you’d never know.

Video? Hel.l naw. You and a friend? Only on vacay. You and my friend? Only if that ho can keep her mouth shut (well…). I jest! Maybe.

I’ve seen too many women who can’t hold a candle to my adventures get played and have their reputations ruined because they slept with 3 guys on a team, family or just let the word get around. If more than 2 people at a social gathering can talk about your privates you’re in trouble. I was at my 10 year h.s. reunion not too long ago, and girls who were known as strumpets then are still known as strumpets (Don’t you remember Nikisha – she was the ho!) A good way to avoid that is to engage those folks in some ish that is so nasty they wouldn’t even talk about it at gunpoint. heh,heh.

But I jest. Maybe.

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 8:54 am

“Video? Hel.l naw. You and a friend? Only on vacay. You and my friend? Only if that ho can keep her mouth shut (well…). I jest! Maybe.”

I love this honesty. Great!!!
Maybe…lol

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:09 am

“The only thing that matters is who knows about it.”

i co-sign this message..well your whole reply here..those who are indiscrete end up being called a ho!e. To me as long as you aren’t putting anyone sex#ually at risk (and this might be up for debate since a condom can’t stop everything), and your operating with a level of honesty, ie full disclosure that you’re “engaging” other people- then who am i to really judge.

if you can come out of all those sex#ual adventures with good health in tact…you really do have something to give in the bedroom, because nothing really surprises, perplexes or bothers you. and once you’re with someone you love there shouldn’t be any real inhibitions. And with the exception of pro!n what’s your frame of reference for inhibited s#e#x?

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:14 am

my one disclaimer (ie, damp bed ruffle) to all of this is that having “anonymous” sex is expensive in the long run..since se@x is a spiritual practice. sometimes it takes a LONG time to get somebody out of YOUR spirit. and as long as people know that when you give the party you gotta pay the band..well..see my previous reply.

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PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

Yes, your soul. I always imagine leaving part of me behind after the act. What if he isn’t worthy of my essences? What if I have indeed thrown my pearls before swine?? To answer that, I have before and the aftermath is a emptiness soooo deep…so deep I can’t even finish this sentence properly.

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

Yes, your soul. I always imagine leaving part of me behind after the act. What if he isn’t worthy of my essences? What if I have indeed thrown my pearls before swine?? To answer that, I have before and the aftermath is a emptiness soooo deep…so deep I can’t even finish this sentence properly.

exactly PBG/Comeback Girl

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Yes, your soul. I always imagine leaving part of me behind after the act. What if he isn’t worthy of my essences? What if I have indeed thrown my pearls before swine?? To answer that, I have before and the aftermath is a emptiness soooo deep…so deep I can’t even finish this sentence properly.

this statement should be included in all family health classes a a possible deterrent and shyt.

The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:23 am

“what’s your frame of reference for inhibited s#e#x?”

meant UNinhibited sex.

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Lil'T Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:42 am

I’m mad you replied to yourself 3 times. Actually I’m not mad at all – CG you’re always watching out for a sista’s soul. Somebody’s got to! Remember that scene in Devil’s Advocate where Al Pacino puts his finger in the holy water – and it evaporates?? That’s been me, lol…

The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:16 am

T..i replied TWO times…but one day soon. i just needed to clarify my clarification. one day i’ll spend some time here and just keep replying to myself with addtional thoughts to myself. lol j/k

Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:41 am

I’ve done some totally trampy things in my lifetime: 3-some, 4-some and then some, but I am still treated like the “good girl” that I project myself to be (and am, dangit!). Why? Because I don’t shyt where I eat, and I don’t do friends. I had my v-card until I hit college. I’m known to be a prude (why, I have no idea. Must be the glasses.) Unless you were there or I told you in detail, you’d never know.

me too.. but guess what I know about my actions and I look back , not with shame, more with bemusement and think.. that was some h.o shyt right there.. LOL

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

3-some, 4-some and then some

vsb.com: where “train” euphemisms happen

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V Renee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:06 am

“The only thing that matters is who knows about it. ”

Good point!

People who are labeled h*es are labeled that because too many people know of their s3xcapades. The moral of the story is discretion and keep your mouth shut.

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The Queen Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:32 am

Let’s be honest people. Keeping your mouth shut only keeps the chatter of other folks down to a minimum. Just because no one knows you are a ho, doesn’t mean you aren’t still a ho. You know that.

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Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:38 am

If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?

Lil'T Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am

Exactly.

SouthernCharm Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:36 am

“I’m reading all your comments. And to them I say:

Oh puh-leeze.

Opinions and judgements are like booty-holes: We all have them and they all stink. We can’t avoid making judgements or being judged.

What makes someone a ho is not what they do, how long they wait to do it, or how much change they collect on the way.

The only thing that matters is who knows about it.”

hmmmm… us guys would refer to you as a freak on the low. which means we know you won’t tell but we’re bragging to at least one of our boys anyway so yeah… your biz might get out.

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Lil'T Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am

“Us guys” are usually seriously dating/married to ho’s (reformed or present) and don’t know it. Sorry SC, but every woman worth her se.xual salt has taken at least one ride on the wild side. The “I would NEVER!” chick is either:

a. the same chick who would never touch herself (boring sack of sorriness in bed) or

b. lyin’

The real word for freaks on the low is: wives.

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am

Tee-hee.

SouthernCharm Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am

“Us guys” are usually seriously dating/married to ho’s (reformed or present) and don’t know it. Sorry SC, but every woman worth her se.xual salt has taken at least one ride on the wild side. The “I would NEVER!” chick is either:

a. the same chick who would never touch herself (boring sack of sorriness in bed) or

b. lyin’

The real word for freaks on the low is: wives.”

oh, i’m not knockin’ your point. i guess i’m just saying somebody might know your biz b/c people do talk. doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a ho.

and of course us guys want a good girl in public but a freak in private. i mean… we had that 3-way. w/ ya girl.. yadda, yadda, yadda… i tell my boy blah, blah, blah… he says if you don’t marry her i will blah, blah, blah… and now i’m going ring shopping. lol.

i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.

8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

“i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.”

LMAO

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:36 am

“i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.”

This is was great comment…lol
Like I always say, don’t ask the questions, unless you REALLY wanna know the answers…

Lil'T Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SC – I see you know the deal. You’ll be (or are) a happy hubby.

This is a good topic. Props to the Champ.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

This is a good topic. Props to the Champ.

thanks and sh*t

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

lol… i like this answer

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.

ROFL.

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Umm why is it that in order to be good in bed one feels you have to have lots of partners as opposed to lots of s.e.x with the same partner? My short time in the world did not bring me any more knowledge about myself or what I liked because those hookups are never about that. I learned what I liked and what men liked in the safety of a long term relationship where I felt free to try new things and was truly interested in pleasing the other partner.

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

good point and sh*t

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

Umm why is it that in order to be good in bed one feels you have to have lots of partners as opposed to lots of s.e.x with the same partner?

vsb.com: where ho justification happens

MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

That’s the whole point. It’s all perception at the end of the day.

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I wrote about this on my blog a while ago. The biggest difference between a ho and a “sexually liberal chick” is confidentially. A ho has her business out there in the streets (perhaps purposely). A sexually liberal chick can take some D, but does it on the low. I went to school with chicks who took a lot of Vitamin D, but they weren’t labeled a ho because they managed to keep their biz out the streets.

I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. This was during the middle of the day and no alcohol had been consumed. Her view was “the more d*ck, the better”. Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is a ho.

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Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:58 am

I think we may have been in the same room (pause, not that there is anything wrong with that though lol)

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V Renee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:42 am

“I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. ”

And may I ask if you took a spin through the car wash?? you too peyso….

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Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am

Did I partake? Is that the question? I didnt do anything, now if she touched me thats a different story

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Slim Jackson Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

I did not partake in such activities. Is everybody familiar with diminishing marginal utility? If not, look it up. I don’t exactly go for those type of thangs. lol

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blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

this is why i heart econ majors… they got some sense. albeit cold blooded…

8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Okay, so why did you stay in the room then? I can’t imagine just sitting there whilst homegirl gets in-house tutoring, letting bammas move in and out of her student body union.

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

I think this is a quality Jay-Z reference. However, who wants to be the guy that just leaves. No one wants to be that guy.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

However, who wants to be the guy that just leaves. No one wants to be that guy.

i disagree. leaving, even if you lie about an excuse, is better than just staying. if you stay, you’re basically just a really, really bad fluffer

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

i disagree. leaving, even if you lie about an excuse, is better than just staying. if you stay, you’re basically just a really, really bad fluffer

man, i was with you until fluffer.

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

what’s worse spiritually? leaving and getting clowned a little or staying and participating?

8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:20 am

“I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. ”

This made me sad.

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V.E.G. Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am

Who are these women who are letting dudes run trains on them?

There were two instances when I was in college when pics surfaced of the girl with the, in one case, Omegas and, in the other, the basketball team.

I have to believe she is not a ho but is crying out for help.

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Slim Jackson Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Idk what it is with some of the train conductors. Love of peter? Self esteem/attention deficit? Ride-hard groupie-ism?

I know a chick who racked up 10 dudes her freshman year in college and prolly 3 the next year…and now she’s engaged. Poor fella.

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

“attention deficit?”

LMAO!!!! I shouldn’t be eating lunch while reading this!!

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am

I’m just wondering how this pops off…I mean I’ve seen many a pern where this happens, but in real life… seriously, wow.
How does this go down?

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No More Heroes Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

You ask the girl if she’ll let you and your people hit. If she says yes, then it goes down…

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

That simple huh?
Wow.
I’m still baffled, but it’s slowly becoming crystal clear.

8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Still cloudier than a mug over here, e-twinny.

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Okay I lied, I’m still pretty cloudy as well.

Clear as mud would be a better way to say it.

eff yo couch Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Most of the train rides I’ve taken part in, happened via word of mouth. Like my home boy will call me up and say, “I got this freak over hear breaking everyboyd off, stop by the corner store and pick up some rubbers and dutches”

My first train happened when my older cousin called me over to his house. I didn’t know what he wanted but I went over anyway. Soon as I walk in the house I see him banging this chick from behind. I tell that I’ll come back later, but he stopped me and told me to chill out. As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.

blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

…WOAH….

like no other words… seriously, just WOAH….

8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

*blinks*

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

I don’t have any words…but I’m laughing like a 12 year old over here.

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

Sooooo….what happened next? LOL

8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

*side-eye*

miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

LOL@ you 8th…curiosity was getting to me…
Okay…nevermind Eff…really…

eff yo couch Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

It was my older cousin so I did what he said and I enjoyed it. He told me that he hooked that up for me because he thought that was my first time. that was my first time a chick ever stepped up to my mic though.

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.

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Lil'T Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

**munching chips**

Then what happened? I always knew that people did this in real life – but I never knew the mechanics.

But see? Why is it that 10 people can be in a room doing the freak nasty, but only one of them has self esteem/daddy/whatever issues? Methinks the “pile on” mentality of the fellas may have to come into play as well.

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pm

“pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.

Another sad story on VSB 2day…

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

That’s exactly how it goes down. The last train that I remembering in school happened the Saturday before school was to start after Christmas Break. These jawns were at the crib chilling w/ some Kappas and some Omegas. No one had any idea of what was going to occur.

Omega A had been smashing one of Jawn A but wanted to holla at Jawn B. So while he was hollering at Jawn B, Jawn A tried to pull him away to his room so that she could share her knowledge. He refused. To get back at him, she secretly slid off with Kappa A into Kappa B’s room and lock the door. Minutes later as Jawn B and Jawn C are getting ready to leave everyone hears noise coming from said room. They try to open the door but its locked and they call her phone and knock but to no avail. Jawn B says “Fuck her, I have church in the morning” and leaves with Jawn C leaving soon after. Finally Kappa A opens the door with a smile and says “I was sleeping in the bed and she was on the couch”. Everyone knows its a lie. Omega A is a bit jealous and walks in, Jawn A tells him that she is mad and after a brief talk they began to have intercourse. Kappa A has not left the room and comes to the two and puts his p3nis on her shoulder. He says “You did it before you might as well do it again and plus its on your shoulder”. She obliges. It moves from the bed to the couch. Kappa A left the door unlocked so that Kappa B and Kappa C could walk in. Omega A says that he and Kappa B are going to switch. She has no problem with that. Kappa C calls Kappa D and E and they travel in the cold January weather 7 snow covered blocks by foot. They arrive snowy and pulled out there p3nis and she continues. She then says she is tired, Kappa B drives her home and the night is done.

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

The really sad part is that I know more stories too, many more

blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

*closes mouth to stop looking like the catch of the day*
you know what… this story explains SO MUCH of why certain women on campus had the nicknames that they had in undergrad… did you go to school in upstate NY perchance?

good lawd i’ve been in the dark….

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Naw, this story happened when I was a senior. So not much was heard about it. One day Ima tell ya every story that happened at my private school in Philly.

8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

“She then says she is tired, Kappa B drives her home and the night is done.”

That’s what killed me the most.

I’m a tad fatigued, can the 9 of you stop boning me now?

PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 8:44 pm

OK, let me get this straight…

Jawn A tried to use all she (thought) she had to get back @ Omega A for trying to holla @ her homegirl, Jawn B…Jawn A was jealous and pi$$ed, had a misguided, adolescent understanding of the P.O.P. and the fragility of the male ego. So she goes and shmeezes it out w/Kappa A. Omega A gets pi$$ed w/Jawn A, not for shmeezing it out w/Kappa A, but for making him look foolish in front of all the other Kappas and Omegas on the scene. Jawn A, not having the sense God gave her (nor the self-esteem) is so pressed for Omega A, she lets him hit and subjects herself to his punishment, which is to TOTALLY demean her in retaliation for her self-shmeezation w/Kappa A by objectifying her for the entertainment and amusement for all the other guys.

I’m surprised Jawn A even got a damn ride home.

Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

I’m suprised she got a ride home too. But I think he had more of an issue with that the fact it was a Kappa

blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

I’m surprised Jawn A even got a damn ride home.

they can’t be completely heartless and let their sperm dumpster walk home in the snow.. that would just not be gentlemanly…..

pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Would this have been your first experience in sexual violence too?? What is she didn’t want a dyck in her mouth?? What would have happened then? not judgeing u eff, cuz everybody has their experiences but this is horrible.

eff yo couch Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

One thing about my cousin he’s a straight up HO. Today’s topic was made for his @ss. The shyt he gets away with is crazy. When I walked in that situation, I’m sure that chick was a straight up freak . . . I mean she was dealing with my cousin. Plus she was all relaxed and shyt, when I came in the crib, like she wasn’t doing nothing.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.

ah yes. the infamous “finger-cuffs”

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

this made me extremely sad and even more reason not put hotivities out there like its the hottest shyt on the blvd. Its a slippery slope and girls with no one to tell them any better, looking for love, validation, to inclusion etc end up in this place…..

Gem of the Ocean Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

“Its a slippery slope…”

literally and figuratively.

shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm

Its a slippery slope…”

literally and figuratively.

LMAO

V Renee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

“As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.”

I’m sorry but this is Phuckin HILARIOUS!

Naturally Alise (Office Edition) Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am

sans alcohol? woooooooooow.

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pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. This was during the middle of the day and no alcohol had been consumed. Her view was “the more d*ck, the better”

this is sad

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eff all this. lets stop being Purtians and all embrace our horniness
everybody duewhatchalike.

also lets not.. forget hoes get paid.
if there is no money on your dresser afetrwards you aint a ho
thats all thats it.

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:19 am

“duewhatchalike.”

Can I grab you in the biscuits?

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Lil'T Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:21 am

Too funny, MTL!!!! That was exactly my thought….

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:06 am

Hee-hee ha!!!

Naturally Alise (Office Edition) Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:15 am

“duewhatchalike”

…I see guys and girls dancin’, ooh, ooh

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Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

& w/ the way you spelled ‘due’ it makes me think of Nas’ you owe me something.

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I dont understand. Lets not fool ourselves. The question asked on this post was how do you define h.o… now we get all of this.. it dosent matter, your a grown up. etc. This is bullshyt. WE all know what hoish behavior is and new it as hoish behavior when we did it Does participating in a hotivity make you a h.o? does being a h.o make you a bad person? NO. He.ll NO. but you knew going in it could potentially get you the label. You decided as an adult (in most cases but if you were a child? sad but still a h.o) that the potential gains outweighed the cons of this label. YOu dont get to change the definition to fit everyone but you. I am sure there are 1 or 2 guys out there and a host of girls that would use the term to describe me even though the number of partners I have had is not a double digit number based on a couple of actions/hotivities I participated in. Guess what I knew that when I did them and I made the decision. I am now not going to sit up here and cry “dont you judge me” after putting myself on display. Do I go around seeing h.os and pointing them out no, but shyt the question was how do you define hodom and I gave an answer, there was no intention to judge anyone personally but hey if the shoe fits? two tears in a bucket..so f!ck it.

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MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

Comeback Girl… I see your blankets are in fashion today.

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

i wish yall wouldn’t refer to them as “blankets” lol…that is so diminishing to my dust ruffle, sham, dish clothe, through, duvet and comforter collection.

Shay-d, T and I are bringing some stuff to HSN…and please don’t hate on it when we do.

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shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Shay-d, T and I are bringing some stuff to HSN…and please don’t hate on it when we do.

Why would I hate on it? apparently I have 1 or 2 you can add with yours….call it a donation.. i need a tax write off

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

YOu dont get to change the definition to fit everyone but you.

good point shay-d one

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what about the word slut.. are h.o and slut synonymous? if not how is the term “slut” defined?

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

they’re pretty interchangeable to me, like lettuce and spanich and idiot and harlemite

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Peyso Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

LOL @ harlemite

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Sometimes I wonder the purpose of labeling hoes. I think most hoes obviously have some emotional issues. It seems a little sad to attack the victim that way.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Sometimes I wonder the purpose of labeling hoes. I think most hoes obviously have some emotional issues. It seems a little sad to attack the victim that way.

right…which is why you label em so you can avoid em.

duh.

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Wow… it got real up in here. It seems that this is a very touchy subject for a lot of people…

I’m still pondering many of the comments.

Is a h.o. someone who is sexually/emotionally irresponsible with themselves? Yes.
Now, the challenge is to |define sexually/emotionally irresponsible|. (for non math nerds, I just asked for the absolute definition)

There are some non-debatable points in this– repreatedly contracting and/or spreading STI’s, low self esteem, disregard for other people and their feelings….
But a large part of the ‘irresponsible’ part of your definition is subjective. Its based on your values, morals and social constructs that may differ from mine.

ponder these…

My grandfather legally had 3 wives. He did not marry them all at the same time. His last one was 35 years is junior. Was he a h.o? Were his wives h.oes?

My cousin is a second wife, meaning she is married to a man who is already married. That means they were courting while he was married to his first wife. Is she a h.o.? (interstingly enough she attends church every Sunday and when she was visiting us here, she gave birth to her first son. she asked for him to be baptized in my parents’ church. our pastor refused to do it.)

One of my close friends is bisexual, thinks that marriage and long term commitment are useless social constructs and a farce– thus she has s3x with whomever she wants and her number of partners is well into the double digits. But she has never had an STI, unwanted pregnancy, is well adjusted, content with her life and unless she TOLD you about herself and her philosophies, you would never know she is how she is… is she a h.o?

me personally….

if i see your butt in the clinic downstairs more than 4 times in one year for the same ‘problem’…

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

One of my close friends is bisexual, thinks that marriage and long term commitment are useless social constructs and a farce– thus she has s3x with whomever she wants and her number of partners is well into the double digits. But she has never had an STI, unwanted pregnancy, is well adjusted, content with her life and unless she TOLD you about herself and her philosophies, you would never know she is how she is… is she a h.o?

yes.

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blackberry molasses Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

mmhmmm.. you missed the point of the examples….

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You know a h*e when you see a h*e, and sometimes it can be as simple as looking in the mirror.

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I'm Always Right Sometimes Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:01 am

Very true because it takes one to know one…lol

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“lastly, should any of this even matter? as long as consenting adults are mutually partaking in this behavior, why should anyone even care how many hundreds of thousands of consenting adults a person has practiced this behavior with?”

Simply – it shouldn’t.

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Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 10:48 am

Why?

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Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am

no 4 real why shouldn’t it matter?

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Tyler Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

Because. It’s the past. And it’s sexist. Having multiple sex partners shouldn’t be a big deal. How one conducts themselves as a sexual being does.

So for instance, if one is having wild unprotected sex willy nilly and doesn’t seem to be bothered. The issue is the recklessness of the sex, not the sex. If a person just happens to date a lot and enjoys healthy sex, I don’t see that as a big deal.

I think quibbling over a woman who has had multiple partners in a way we don’t about men who behave the same way is sexist and antiquated.

And yes, I’m aware I’m in the minority on that score.

MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Beautiful souls are in the minority, so it’s ok.

And may I add? Your significant other is very lucky.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

If a person just happens to date a lot and enjoys healthy sex, I don’t see that as a big deal

thing is, as someone pointed out up-thread, having dozens upon dozens of different sexual partners isn’t healthy spiritually or emotionally.

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

thing is, as someone pointed out up-thread, having dozens upon dozens of different sexual partners isn’t healthy spiritually or emotionally.

Tyler Reply:
October 31st, 2008 at 1:23 pm

That only holds true if you subscribe to a JudeoChristian definition of sex. This body-dirty/spirit pure Puritanical shit ain’t my stee.

To me, it’s fundamentally absurd.

Do I believe that doing anything in excess is unhealthy, sure? But I also think that absent serial freakin that infringes on every other aspect of love, our popular understanding of what constitutes excessive sex (esp. for women) is rooted in religious piety and antiquated sexist notions.

Again…I know that as a minority view this makes little sense.

Tyler Reply:
October 31st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

My bad, I should spell check these joints:

That only holds true if you subscribe to a JudeoChristian definition of sex. This body-dirty/spirit pure Puritanical shit ain’t my stee.

To me, it’s fundamentally absurd.

Do I believe that doing anything in excess is unhealthy? sure.

But I also think that absent serial freakin that infringes on every other aspect of life, our popular understanding of what constitutes excessive sex (esp. for women) is rooted in religious piety and antiquated sexist notions.

Again…I know that as a minority view this makes little sense.

Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

I would say that reckless cex is having many partners.

For instance, there are laws in physics that say, ‘if one object touches another object the object swap matter.’ Even if it is only a few atoms. I think that this can ring true spiritually speaking too. And since I’m a spiritual as well as physical being the cex is too an issue.

and instead of giving everyone the free love pass I’d rather line people up for their beratement.

Learn to make love w/ your whole being and you will never go back.

This is an interesting topic. Thanx Champ. I think that human s*xuality is hard to categorize (ie labeling people ho’s) because we don’t explore it without judgement and prejudices. Kids find and have sensation in their s*x organs at young ages… I said that to say that all human creatures are s*xual beings… and a lot of people act out in a negative manner s*xually because of a lack of good guidance and a lack of a support system. Labeling them for that behavior is wrong, i think. Hmmmm… i think there is just in general a lack of balance… a lack of a balanced respect for who we all really are. We are part animals… we like s*x… but then the spiritual side of us condemns that… and for women the mental kicks in cause you may be left with babies to raise and provide for… (but if babies are blessings then why is this a bad thing? hmmmm…) I think we all need to accept our humanity. People (males and females) enjoy s*x … I think that if people are behaving responsibly and are age appropriate… and have all their eyes open and are not being taken advantage of, and are not taking advantage of somebody else then that is their business.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

thanks and sh*t

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Unless I am reading wrong I see that, based on some of the comments I’ve read here today I guess I’d be labeled as a hoe cuz my sex partners number in the (low) double digits.

This, despite never having cheated on a boyfriend. And despite the fact that I ended up engaged to 2 of the 3 ‘first date’ sexers I’ve had.

My point? It ain’t about numbers. It ain’t even about the acts – if you haven’t done something truly freaky, for you, a time or two in your life, I feel sorry for you. Cuz you’re missing out. It really is, as someone else said, about presentation and what you let the world in on.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

i think you’re reading wrong.

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I have a guy friend who has slept with a lot of chicks. We were out once at a game-watch party and I asked him “how many women in here have you had sex with?” He looked around and said “probably like 10.” Well we all hang around in the same social circle but nobody has any beef about it. I don’t think anyone would call him a ho. We just have a really uninhibited group of friends who don’t really make a big deal about that stuff. There’s no “catching feelings” so there’s rarely beef about who slept with who. People keep things between them for the most part and K.I.M. We can all sit at the barbecue together the next day.
I’ve been playing spades and looked around to notice that I had been with the other three people around the table at least once. Still, it was no big deal.

In other circles, we’d ALL be considered a bunch of hoez I suppose. I say this to point out that it’s really up to perception.

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pgh muse Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

He looked around and said “probably like 10.”

Is 10 a typo? Cuz 10 for a grown man where i’m from is like virginity…

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LisaAngelaPamelaRenee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

well 10 in a room of people who are your friends/social circle. Clearly *I* don’t think that’s a problem but some people think it’s a sin to sleep with someone one of your friends has slept with or to keep things in the circle. Like it’s incest or something. I dunno.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

In other circles, we’d ALL be considered a bunch of hoez I suppose

lol…yeah.

btw, everytime i hear “i suppose” i think of avon barksdale

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If you have sex with someone that you are not married to, you’re a whore.

Period, end of story.

WIA will only date and marry a sinner.

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Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

Yaeyaey! Yup yup! mhm *nodding head* afirmative! You got that right, just as sure as God is. Bwyoy you ain’t nevuh lied.

hahaha

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Intellectual Hedonist Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

I like how you think

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shottanix Reply:
November 1st, 2008 at 5:20 pm

Ansoooo!!! Nice..

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I don’t know how to define HO…I mean if you go on numbers…I bet pretty much EVERY VSB and VSS is a HO…I just want to know you are healthy…not in a Valtrex sort of way either…I mean you should only be taking Flinstone Vitamins and sh!t!

Presentation is everything…and untimately a HO is about using good judgement and being safe!

I don’t ask how many partners you’ve had, because it doesn’t matter if you are with me now…and after all, with me is the BEST place to be! (wink)

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Shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

I don’t ask how many partners you’ve had, because it doesn’t matter if you are with me now…and after all, with me is the BEST place to be! (wink)

I have never been down with this question being asked or given. Because it causes the sort of discussion this post haves with people being defensive and others thinking that they are being judged. Look, I am not judging anyone and on a day to day basis I dont go around h.o hunting. I dont know how many s.e.xual partners my husband has had. He.ll he a freak so I am sure he had way more than me and probably was a h.o.But guess what when I dated him my rules did not include…never having been a h.o or require to him to have less than x number of partners.
I associate the word with my definition and lets be honest we ALL Lhave a definition in our heads. Otherwise it wouldnt be worth discussing. The problem comes in when you cant reconcile your definition with your own actions. Then the label is judgemental because it forces you to judge yourself.

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shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

LOL I typed this from my phone so please forgive the typos..

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Lil'T Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Extra zen there, Shay. I agree. My definition of “ho” is pretty much anything I’ve done that makes me giggle and blush thinking back on it – which is why I have been known to occasionally describe myself as a ho (and stick my chest out while I’m doing it!).

After all, someone wise once said that our final regrets are never what we did – it’s what we DIDN’T do!! Holla!

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Hey um VSB management why does The Champ get the subliminal cex message? circa tag cloud

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

???

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Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

In the left margin up top the largest words are ’sex the champ.’ What gives.

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

wow..you dont miss nothin huh? LOL

Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

my job is boring as hades. now go have cecks w/ the champ. I’m gonna eat some cookies n milk.

I am a fan of that pocket straight, Chris Bridges (aka luda aka my baby daddy in my dreams). And as he said:

“You doing Ho activities
With Ho tendencies
Hos are your friends, Hos are your enemies
With ho energy to do what you do
Blew what u blew, screw what u screw
Y’all professional like DJ Clue,
pulling on my coat tail
And why you think you take a Ho to a Ho-tel
Ho-tell everybody, even the mayor (mmhmmm kwame)
Reach up in the sky for the Ho-zone layer
Now C’mon playa once a Ho always
And Hos neva close, they open like hallways
So here’s the whole cake for your Ho Ho crew
And everybody wants some, cuz Hos gotta eat too”

That man, is a poet.

Welp, back to work.

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genius khan Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

Luda is highly underrated Luvvie. lyrically he is beastial. feature him on ur record and he outshines u easy.

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PBG Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

I agree w/you, Genius Khan.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

“feature him on ur record and he outshines u easy.”

hmmm. depends.

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genius khan Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:40 pm

ok Champ i’ll bite. when is it that Luda doesn’t easily outshine other artists on their own records? [literally and hypothetically]

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

“ok Champ i’ll bite.”

thats what she said

seriously though, i’m a luda fan. i definitely think he’s easily one of the top 30 rappers alive…maybe even top 25.

thing is, i’ve never heard him out shine anyone north of the mason-dixon line on a track. never. sh*t, he even gets killed by the game and ye on the “where you at” (the boost mobile song)

maybe he gets nervous or something…i dont know.

genius khan Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

well Luda probably didnt write the boost mobile sh*t and north of the mason dixon like who and what songs?

…my point exactly. rappers know what it is?

Dorian G. Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

“thing is, i’ve never heard him out shine anyone north of the mason-dixon line on a track. never. ”

Thats not actually true. GK is right when there was a time that “feat. Ludacris” was a powerful line in hip hop. He killed Nas on the Made You Look remix, Cam in the What Means The World remix (granted it was old Cam), and Diddy in the Peaches and Cream remix (i know i know). But those are the north dudes just off the top, i’m sure he has more. But for overall “feat.” put this dude on an R&B track and it was ridiculous.

However he fell off, I think he’s just now trying to come back to form.

The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

btw, i just saw your comment upthread. who (or what families) do you know in the castle?

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

Luda is highly underrated Luvvie. lyrically he is beastial. feature him on ur record and he outshines u easy.

overruled. *pounds gavel*

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genius khan Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

overit weighs in:

feature Luda on ur record and he outshines u easy.

overruled. *pounds gavel*

appeal goes to the highest court in hip hop

overrules ur ruling. *gavel strikes*

supreme court justice wise intelligent

overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

gk, this case has been continued..stay tuned.

I apologize in advance if this has already been stated, I dont have time 2 read every1 else’s comments. For me, the criteria for ho-dom is simple. If every1 knows how, and with who your doing you, then your a hoe. You can sleep with as many ppl as you like, brothers, cousins, fathers, whoever.Thats your business, do you.However, every1 need not know. A hoe is some1 who puts their bia on front street, or who isnt selective enuff 2 weed out the ppl who will put them on front street.This is especially true for us women.You could sleep with one dude, who ran his mouth and its a dubie with the pins.

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The Champ Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

A hoe is some1 who puts their bia on front street, or who isnt selective enuff 2 weed out the ppl who will put them on front street.This is especially true for us women.You could sleep with one dude, who ran his mouth and its a dubie with the pins.

lol…please tell me you sent this from your phone.

ok…i’m gonna stop. you’re new and i haven’t been nice. to make up for it, i’ll send you some toast and sh*t

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“I’m an honest ho. And ALL my hoes is honest!”

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Wood Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

LOL… I was waiting on someone to say that.

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Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

‘But why is the girls always comin up short’

lol

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miss t-lee Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

I’m in charge of the girls!!!!!

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Nashonal Chmps dudahdudadudah Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

I’m just saying the the bar is doin well, the gambling is doing well and the girls is short.

this whole conversation has made me wonder….
There is a lot of talk about judgment, but to me this topic is like any other. Why when we discuss the definition of h.odom is it passing judgment to give an opinion? Why do we need the back story? When discussing Diddy and Kim did we need a back story? What about the Kwame kilpatrick situation? Why all of a sudden do we need to know motivation, back story, and mental state? In my opinion everyone on this blog passes judgment on something. I mean how can you truly form an opinion without making a judgment. At what point is there a difference in having an opinion and judgment? By definition an opinion and a judgment are the same. So recognize that everyone has their deal and at some point this blog is going to touch on something that will hit a little to close to home for comfort because you reap what you sow so if you were very outspoken on 1 topic that might have made some one else uncomfortable your time is bound to come

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shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

I forgot to add.. that is why I visit this blog.. real people, real discussions.

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overit Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pm

exactly.

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MsSula@Work Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pm

Because passing a judgment assumes that one has/will never interact in that way.

Kim and Diddy are public figures. Kwame Kilpatrick is a political figure. They are not my next door neighboor who has gangbangers. I don’t care about my next door neighbor and his/her gangbangers. It has NO EFFECT on me.

I care that P.Diddy because of his skewed common sense can influence a lot more people than my next door neighbor. I care that the mayor of my city lacks judgment, that man is in charge of my garbage pickup budget. It affects me.

All in all, even in those cases, I couldn’t care less. I am just giving you reasons why it might make more sense to give opinions on Kim & Diddy and Kwame Kilpatrick than on my freaky next door neighbor who might get on my nerves because I hear the screams and I ain’t getting none.

(That’s usually the reason for all “She’s a hoe, he’s a hoe” talk anyways.)

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shay-d-lady Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

Because passing a judgment assumes that one has/will never interact in that way.

NO it doesnt but most often you assume it does when the judgement could quite possible show you in a negative light.
and I am sorry my whole point is that an opinion is judgement. If you dont agree with my opinion and have your own, your view is just an alternative opinion /judgment. The only way to truly not pass judgment is to not have an opinion.

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I just have to say that being a ho is not okay. Black people have never condoned hodom. Never. Not in Africa, not in the West Indies and not in America. We have hoes in our communities, but we view their lifestyles as destructive. James Baldwin didn’t think hodom was okay. He thought it was a pathology–and rightly so. Rationalizing and justifying ho behavior is seriously some 2520 BS. I swear to goodness, this is why you can’t be sending your children to these liberal arts colleges after living their whole lives in the suburbs being the only one so they can drink the majority’s experimental, destructive @$$ purple Kool Aid and contract the clap and develop a dependency on alcohol and a gd coke habit and various other pathologies that the Others think are rites of passage. IT IS NOT CUTE AND IT IS NOT OKAY.

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8th Wonder Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

I feel what you’re saying on this. In my family, a lot of the older black women still equate being loose with 2520’s.

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The Comeback Girl Reply:
October 30th, 2008 at 9:24 pm

“I swear to goodness, this is why you can’t be sending your children to these liberal arts colleges after living their whole lives in the suburbs being the only one so they can drink the majority’s experimental…”

im in some serious muthafykin trouble…lol..lordie be

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Quote: “…and should it even matter?”
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Is this question for real? OF-FREAKING-COURSE IT MATTERS. *hopefully it does to most people*

There is nothing grosser than a guy or girl who is indiscriminate in their ***ual activity/history.

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